Major Earthquake & Tsunami in Japan

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Amazingly, some people are still being pulled alive from the wreckage of these coastal towns - granted, survivors in these areas are few and far between, but it is impressive that they have survived at all, and that the rescuers are able to get to them in time.

News broadcasts are being very guarded on the possible death toll, only now are they saying that the death toll 'could be more than 10,000'. Frankly, I think it would be a minor miracle if the death toll is not many times that.

These small, industrious coastal towns are surely no strangers to such hardship - Kamaishi was completely destroyed in 1896 by a tsunami, and again in 1933, and now it has happened again - and it makes you wonder if they'll rebuild the town... I guess that the land and the living that is made from the sea is just too valuable not to use, but what chance does a place have when they have to deal with 10-20 meter tidal waves every now and then?
 
This is the most moving image I've seen come out of Japan so far. It conveys so much feeling so perfectly in such a simple way:

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fox news reporting that meltdowns in 3 reactors is likely occurring

Please no Fox news, seriously.

Anyway, the next hours will be very crucial:
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1839: UK nuclear expert John Large tells the BBC that the wind direction off the east coast of Japan is moving round to the south, which could take any radioactive plume from the Fukushima plant over the Tokyo region.
 
Two points.

First, if you still think the reactors are going to explode, read this article.

Second, please ignore everything that "UK nuclear expert John Large" says. John Large, of "Large & Associates", has a long history of work with anti-nuclear power groups, including Greenpeace, People against Wylfa-B and Stop Hinkley. He is not an unbiased source and will seek to sensationalise anything that could make nuclear power generation look bad. He has already, incorrectly, stated that the reactor containment for reactor 1 has been completely destroyed.
 
Before I left for work this morning CNN was showing the wind patterns for Japan and speculating if the radiation could reach the USA. Just like the news to make the situation seem worse than it is. :rolleyes:
 
Two points.

First, if you still think the reactors are going to explode, read this article.

Second, please ignore everything that "UK nuclear expert John Large" says. John Large, of "Large & Associates", has a long history of work with anti-nuclear power groups, including Greenpeace, People against Wylfa-B and Stop Hinkley. He is not an unbiased source and will seek to sensationalise anything that could make nuclear power generation look bad. He has already, incorrectly, stated that the reactor containment for reactor 1 has been completely destroyed.

Thanks for the information regarding John Large, I never heard of him before and won't listen to him from now on.👍

From the ZAMG institute (a prediction, not a fact):
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An expert on the BBC said that even on a reasonable worst case scenario the radiation spread would be minuscule compared to Chernobyl. Chernobyl sent radiation matter very high up to into the atmosphere and for weeks and months. Worst case in Japan is for a very short period of time and only a few hundred metres high.
 
Pictures Omnis linked, pictures of people going about normal live are kind of nice. Unfortunately, too many people are going through what Mog posted. Like that girl crying in middle of a city-sized wreckage. I am no rescue, relief effort expert, but I'm having hard time understanding how victims are being starved. Food is cheap.

Also, about this shortage of body bags, coffins and crematorium. Does the government not think that this is the time we must do what needs to be done? Think outside of bureaucratic box? There is no money or time for proper, or politically correct procedures at this time. We are just barely starting to make this microscopic dent in a epic sized task. Do what you have to do. Move on to the next!
God bless Microsoft......... somebody needs to.
 
God damn, that's a lot of bodies. When they talk about funerals, are they doing those nokan encoffenings for each of the people? I feel so bad for all those people that can't get a proper funeral. That is probably the worst part. Everyone pray that the dead can rest with as much dignity as possible.
 
BWX
Yeah like you know more. They said that "japanese officials" reported that. So what misinformation is there?:dunce:

I can give you lots of infos from "officials" saying the opposite too.
FOX just likes to overhype stuff, so please, just don't quote them unless they can really prove something (like video footage).
 
This is the most moving image I've seen come out of Japan so far. It conveys so much feeling so perfectly in such a simple way:

The lady in that image has been interviewed on Sky news, she's lost her 99 year old grandmother, apparently she can't even find where her house was because there's debris from so many other houses in the same area.

Absolutely heartbreaking and she's one of tens of thousands in the same situation.
 
fox news reporting that meltdowns in 3 reactors is likely occurring



No they didn't report that. They said that "japanese officials" reported that "three of the reactors COULD BE melting down at this time". Did you watch that vid you posted?

I can give you lots of infos from "officials" saying the opposite too.
FOX just likes to overhype stuff, so please, just don't quote them unless they can really prove something (like video footage).

Examples? They didn't hype anything. You prove what you say or please don't spread false bs.
 
The lady in that image has been interviewed on Sky news, she's lost her 99 year old grandmother, apparently she can't even find where her house was because there's debris from so many other houses in the same area.

Absolutely heartbreaking and she's one of tens of thousands in the same situation.

That's absolutely terrible :( It's very easy to forget how lucky you are until something like this comes along and grabs you by the bits and screams at your face.
 
BWX
Examples? They didn't hype anything. You prove what you say or please don't spread false bs.

I meant in the past (I haven't even watched the video in question), cannot give you a concrete example now, but FOX News is known for spreading false information and overhyping things.
 
Two points.

First, if you still think the reactors are going to explode, read this article.

Second, please ignore everything that "UK nuclear expert John Large" says. John Large, of "Large & Associates", has a long history of work with anti-nuclear power groups, including Greenpeace, People against Wylfa-B and Stop Hinkley. He is not an unbiased source and will seek to sensationalise anything that could make nuclear power generation look bad. He has already, incorrectly, stated that the reactor containment for reactor 1 has been completely destroyed.

Thank you, Famine.
 
What always amazes me is how intact the boat looks, as if the tsunami just gently deposited it there as a reminder of what it can do.
I suppose its only speed that could damage the boat as it floats. And it wasn't very fast movement of water, and relatively light for its size, perhaps fibre-glass. Houses get destroyed as they are not designed to be moved from their foundations.
 
I meant in the past (I haven't even watched the video in question), cannot give you a concrete example now, but FOX News is known for spreading false information and overhyping things.

Typical.
 
BWX

You mean typical in calling Fox News a hype machine? It is, and anyone that denies is just in denial about the world.

And anyone trying to compare this to Chernobyl is crazy - it was a failure of such epic proportions that any modern nation having similar failure just will not]/i] happen.
 
How in the hell...?

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How the hell do you get a boat off of the top of a building? This will not end well for either one... :crazy:

From an article I was reading...

The quake caused a rift 15 miles below the sea floor that stretched 186 miles long and 93 miles wide, according to the AP. The areas closest to the epicenter of the quake jumped a full 13 feet closer to the United States, geophysicist Ross Stein at the United States Geological Survey told The New York Times.

The world's fifth-largest, 8.8 magnitude quake was caused when the Pacific tectonic plate dove under the North American plate, which shifted Eastern Japan towards North America by about 13 feet (see NASA's before and after photos at right). The quake also shifted the earth's axis by 6.5 inches, shortened the day by 1.6 microseconds, and sank Japan downward by about two feet. As Japan's eastern coastline sunk, the tsunami's waves rolled in.
 
How the hell do you get a boat off of the top of a building? This will not end well for either one... :crazy:

From an article I was reading...

Man can you put here the link to see the pics of Japan before and after by the Nasa you talked about pls?
 
And anyone trying to compare this to Chernobyl is crazy - it was a failure of such epic proportions that any modern nation having similar failure just will not happen.
The operative word here being 'modern'... alas there are other nations currently in the process of building nuclear reactors with plans sold to them in the 1970's on the back of fag packets, by despotic leaders who view themselves as Gods, with the same regard for safety as they have for their own citizens i.e. none.

That said, while the 'Pripyat Corollary' may not apply here (I think), that's not to say that this incident will not pose a whole raft of very serious problems in its own right i.e. the displacement of hundreds of thousands of civilians, the loss of swathes of valuable land, the cost and difficulty of permanently sealing off the crippled reactors (given their susceptibility to future quakes/tsunamis etc.), not to mention the imminent crisis that Japan faces if their nuclear plants have to be rebuilt or refurbished to make them (more) secure against future quakes. Even if the total radiation leak from this plant remains relatively low, the damage being done to the Japanese economy, not to mention to hundreds of thousands of people, is significant...
 
The operative word here being 'modern'... alas there are other nations currently in the process of building nuclear reactors with plans sold to them in the 1970's on the back of fag packets, by despotic leaders who view themselves as Gods, with the same regard for safety as they have for their own citizens i.e. none.

That said, while the 'Pripyat Corollary' may not apply here (I think), that's not to say that this incident will not pose a whole raft of very serious problems in its own right i.e. the displacement of hundreds of thousands of civilians, the loss of swathes of valuable land, the cost and difficulty of permanently sealing off the crippled reactors (given their susceptibility to future quakes/tsunamis etc.), not to mention the imminent crisis that Japan faces if their nuclear plants have to be rebuilt or refurbished to make them (more) secure against future quakes. Even if the total radiation leak from this plant remains relatively low, the damage being done to the Japanese economy, not to mention to hundreds of thousands of people, is significant...

The Japanese reactors we are talking about are from the 1960's I heard.
 
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