Major Earthquake & Tsunami in Japan

[kdryan]

Can't really tell anything...

 

[Azuremen]

The operative word here being 'modern'... alas there are other nations currently in the process of building nuclear reactors with plans sold to them in the 1970's on the back of fag packets, by despotic leaders who view themselves as Gods, with the same regard for safety as they have for their own citizens i.e. none.

That said, while the 'Pripyat Corollary' may not apply here (I think), that's not to say that this incident will not pose a whole raft of very serious problems in its own right i.e. the displacement of hundreds of thousands of civilians, the loss of swathes of valuable land, the cost and difficulty of permanently sealing off the crippled reactors (given their susceptibility to future quakes/tsunamis etc.), not to mention the imminent crisis that Japan faces if their nuclear plants have to be rebuilt or refurbished to make them (more) secure against future quakes. Even if the total radiation leak from this plant remains relatively low, the damage being done to the Japanese economy, not to mention to hundreds of thousands of people, is significant...

Oh, I fully agree. People just seem concerned about the wrong things at the moment. The power and economic problems will ultimately impact the global economy and what not. The radiation leaks will be minor in all odds.

The Japanese reactors we are talking about are from the 1960's I heard.

And built in a nation that actually cares about it people.

 

[lbsf1]

What always amazes me is how intact the boat looks, as if the tsunami just gently deposited it there as a reminder of what it can do.

I think it may be photoshoped, look at how the chairs on deck are still aranged correctly.

 

[G.T.Ace]

I think it may be photoshoped, look at how the chairs on deck are still aranged correctly.

If I'm not mistaken, I've seen the same boat on that roof from different views already.

 

[Touring Mars]

Can't really tell anything...

I'm not surprised given the quality of those images...

That said, that white line in the bottom left corner (whether it is supposed to be a scale bar or not, it's hard to tell!), is about 10 miles, and I can see atleast one part (near the centre of the image) where there is a decent chunk of land now under water, which, given the aforementioned scale, looks to be a good few kilometers wide...

I think it may be photoshoped, look at how the chairs on deck are still aranged correctly.

I can assure you it's not....

 

[Limelight788]

It is Spring Break where I live. I'm sitting on my pajama's on this computer, watching news regarding Gran Turismo 5 and this earthquake while playing the game on B-Spec.

I just can't imagine to have to live in their scenario with lost relatives due to the earthquake/tsunami because I haven't experience something even remotely similar to it, but having to watch it is terrible enough.

Everyone should make an effort to donate, regardless of how much they have to spend. I know I will, even if I only have 43 cents.

Sadly, people on the Internet likes to rub salt on tragedies and this is no exception. Not only are people trying to say this is payback for Pearl Harbor, they are also bringing religion and American politics into this.

Just look at http://ignorantandonline.tumblr.com/ and the message board on MSN regarding the earthquakes and you'll see that people don't understand that this is not the time to do any of the following:

- Call this event a "payback" for Pearl Harbor, even thought it happened almost 70 years ago.
- Show racist behaviors toward another people.
- Try to say it'll help out with the population problem.
- Blame America for Japanese's problems, especially Barack Obama or Republicans.

 

[Joey D]

I don't get how anyone can say this is "payback" for Pearl Harbour. A co-worker was ranting about it today and I was appalled. I don't care what nation you are from and what happens to a nation you may not like, this is a disaster against humanity just as all large scale disasters are. I don't get why we can't just help out fellow man in a time of need like this.

And really the Pacific Theatre of WWII along with Hiroshima and Nagasaki were payback for Pearl Harbour if you want to be technical about it.

I apologise for the bit of a rant, I'm not just really annoyed with people who say things degrading like this when a nation is in need.

 

[Jdmyo93]

Thank you, Famine.

I wish you and your family the best. As well as everybody in Japan right now

Guys I recommend you donate right now. Every little money makes a big difference.
http://american.redcross.org/site/P...&s_src=RSG000000000&s_subsrc=RCO_BigRedButton

 

[Nicknamealguem]

I've been following the series of events that happened and are happening in Northen Japan, from the past days (news reports and this thread), and couldn't stop to notice all the mis-information that I've been reading everywhere, not being really able to know what's media hype and what are really facts of what's happening, specially reagrding the Nuclear plants problems.

Today I've received an e-mail from the Department of Materials (the degree I am actually taking) of my University, with a link to a very good explanation about the Fukushima Nuclear Accident, how the plant works and how it was designed. All very well and simply explained, for everyone who would care to read and know whats really going on: http://bravenewclimate.com/2011/03/13/fukushima-simple-explanation/

 

[G.T.Ace]

I wish you and your family the best. As well as everybody in Japan right now

Guys I recommend you donate right now. Every little money makes a big difference.
http://american.redcross.org/site/P...&s_src=RSG000000000&s_subsrc=RCO_BigRedButton

Definitely! I made a thread with infos on how different countries can donate to the Red Cross: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=192654 Still looking for more infos by the way.

 

[E28]

I don't get how anyone can say this is "payback" for Pearl Harbour. A co-worker was ranting about it today and I was appalled. I don't care what nation you are from and what happens to a nation you may not like, this is a disaster against humanity just as all large scale disasters are. I don't get why we can't just help out fellow man in a time of need like this.

And really the Pacific Theatre of WWII along with Hiroshima and Nagasaki were payback for Pearl Harbour if you want to be technical about it.

I apologise for the bit of a rant, I'm not just really annoyed with people who say things degrading like this when a nation is in need.

As you say, Japan have already had 2 nuclear bombs dropped on them and there hasn't been 'payback' of any kind for that. I wouldn't wish that on anyone but those guys need to think before they speak

 

[ZeGermanBastorD]

... Just look at http://ignorantandonline.tumblr.com/ ...

Oh my god, the insane religious fanatic girl is unbelievable. Someone should call the nuthouse guys for her.

 

[Azuremen]

Got to love religious people, thinking an apathetic God would do something like this.

 

[blaaah]

Oh my god, the insane religious fanatic girl is unbelievable. Someone should call the nuthouse guys for her.

That picture is ironic, as there is no such word as "foolness".

 

[Famine]

So, anyway, not content with relying on an anti-nuclear-power campaigner as their only source of information on the Fukushima issue, the BBC are now at the stage of making scaremongering crap up off the top of their heads:

Headline/text conflict...

Edit: Though the Daily Mail have got them beat:

Jawdroppingly inept.

 

[a6m5]

Definitely! I made a thread with infos on how different countries can donate to the Red Cross: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=192654 Still looking for more infos by the way.

Thanks, man. I will attach this to the original post in this thread. 👍

 

[blaaah]

So, anyway, not content with relying on an anti-nuclear-power campaigner as their only source of information on the Fukushima issue, the BBC are now at the stage of making scaremongering crap up off the top of their heads:

Headline/text conflict...

But the BBC at the same time are still showing on the BBC 24 news , the UK expert saying even with a reactor meltdown and explosion the risk is negligible. But they are maintaining high coverage of the nuclear issue.
Right daily mail have it wrong, the BBC quoted expert said in worst case, 500meters height and only for an hour or so.

 

[Alex.]

Explosion heard at Japan's Fukushima Daiichi No.2 reactor: Jiji News Agency - Reuters

 

[blaaah]

The US Geological Survey has upgraded the magnitude of Friday's deadly earthquake in Japan to 9.0, not long after Japan's Meteorological Agency did the same.

Scientists in the US had originally put the Japan quake at 8.9 so the change to 9.0 means that the quake was about 1.5 times stronger than they initially thought.

The Japan quake is now the fourth largest in the world since 1900 - behind the 2004 magnitude-9.1 Sumatra quake.

 

[G.T.Ace]

So, anyway, not content with relying on an anti-nuclear-power campaigner as their only source of information on the Fukushima issue, the BBC are now at the stage of making scaremongering crap up off the top of their heads:

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"Off the top of their heads" isn't quite true, I mean, even the Japanese said themself "we had a meltdown", "a meltdown is likely", "maybe we had a meltdown" just to say 2 hours later "there wasn't one".

Of course not everything they write is completely true, but the BBC were also the first I've seen that reported the "hydrogen explosions" while all the other bigger channels were talking about the core itself.

The German TV channels are really horrible by the way.​

 

[Famine]

But the BBC at the same time are still showing on the BBC 24 news , the UK expert saying even with a reactor meltdown and explosion the risk is negligible.

That'd be UK expert John Large again?

I shall reiterate, read this if you think there's any possibility of the cores exploding.

"Off the top of their heads" isn't quite true, I mean, even the Japanese said themself "we had a meltdown", "a meltdown is likely", "maybe we had a meltdown" just to say 2 hours later "there wasn't one".

To report a story of "the IAEA says there are no signs of a meltdown" with the headline "MELTDOWN ALERT AT JAPAN REACTOR" is breathtakingly cynical.

I gave up paying attention to the BBC for factual accuracy sometime in 2001.

 

[G.T.Ace]

#
2316: Kyodo now says that the suppression pool may have been damaged at the second reactor.

Hm, whatever that means.

 

[Touring Mars]

To report a story of "the IAEA says there are no signs of a meltdown" with the headline "MELTDOWN ALERT AT JAPAN REACTOR" is breathtakingly cynical.

Slight exaggeration. There is an alert. There is a real risk of a meltdown. At a nuclear reactor. In Japan. I'm not seeing how it is cynical at all. Also, regarding the BBC, your assessment that John Large is 'their only source' is just wrong. The BBC have had several 'experts' on over the last few days, but are also citing many other sources including the IAEA, the Japanese government, various 'officials' from the plant, Japanese news networks, various international news agencies, and their own reporters who are on the scene...

 

[blaaah]

That'd be UK expert John Large again?

I shall reiterate, read this if you think there's any possibility of the cores exploding.



To report a story of "the IAEA says there are no signs of a meltdown" with the headline "MELTDOWN ALERT AT JAPAN REACTOR" is breathtakingly cynical.

I gave up paying attention to the BBC for factual accuracy sometime in 2001.

I think he meant worst case if the containment failed. That linked report suggests no containment failure even as a worst case.
But the linked article seems even more reassuring than the BBC expert, but even he said there was nothing to worry about, everyone was safe, so i dont think someone saying people are safe is a scaremonger in anyway at all. So you might be thinking of somebody else. I can't remember the name of the UK expert I heard on the BBC.

 

[G.T.Ace]

What they said.^

#
2320: A spokesperson from Tokyo Electric says said some staff have been evacuated from the site.

 

[ZeGermanBastorD]

... Just look at http://ignorantandonline.tumblr.com/ ...

Wow, they have posted the complete name, adress & the phone number of the religious fanatic girl on youtube.

Looks like she need now a security service. Or have the Yakuza got her already? Anything in the US news about her?

 

[Dotini]

That linked report suggests no containment failure even as a worst case.

Just saw a badly translated Japanese TV broadcast. The anchorpersons were mainly looking at their shoes and holding up a cheesy looking diagram of the containment vessel. I could not understand the translator's English, but heard certain attention-getting phrases which I cannot repeat here.

Edit: CNN reports all non-essential workers now being evacuated from the plant, seemingly to do with developments at reactor #2. Something called a suppression pool was mentioned.

"Beware the ides of March"

 

[terminator363]

Oh crap I'm on the west coast...

 

[blaaah]

"Beware the ides of March"

That's a poor weather warning for the UK.

 

[Dotini]

That's a poor weather warning for the UK.

No, the weather is not doing terribly well here on the US west coast, either.