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3rd to last race for me, squeezed off to outside grass last lap, last 2 races, put into a wall and off track into the kitty litter first turn... If it wasnt for bad luck Id have none!
 
I'm really sorry @ryzno it was my fault at Mount Panorama. :guilty:
Very bad. I was humiliated. :guilty: :( :(

And I would like to say, I kind of expected this (several crash incidents)... being the 1st try in the Luxury cars... which are, let's face it, very very difficult cars to race.
Frankly, I think we all just need more practice in these cars. !👍💡👍!
So if anyone's feeling antsy or annoyed, please keep in mind that these are difficult cars, and we have people with varying experience as far as cars like this go.
The important thing is that people recognize not to do improper things on track, and when mistakes are made, to make contact concessions.
IE: don't be too hard on yourself, or your fellow racers, for a new experience (mixed model racing in these luxury beasts) which is bound to be a learning one.
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No I didn't find the transition difficult.
But I do admit to finding the Luxury cars difficult! :lol:
I mean they ARE difficult. These are not race cars, and they have a lot of power to the ground.
Well, in particular that C63 I find extremely difficult. :ill: I really hate that car. I had wanted to cut it actually. And now everyone knows why. :embarrassed: Or at least @ryzno knows why. :( :( :(
 
watermelonpunch
No I didn't find the transition difficult.
But I do admit to finding the Luxury cars difficult! :lol:
I mean they ARE difficult. These are not race cars, and they have a lot of power to the ground.
Well, in particular that C63 I find extremely difficult. :ill: I really hate that car. I had wanted to cut it actually. And now everyone knows why. :embarrassed: Or at least @ryzno knows why. :( :( :(
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I also need practice with these car but, the previous 2 accidents, before ours, just turned me off. Sorry I rage quit.
 
Looked at a couple of replays. Daytona 1st lap 1st turn atonga619 bumped me of course didn't slow. I bumped a couple of folks regaining control. Went 1st to last.

Mt. Panorama atonga619 again (not picking on you just what I noticed in race), stayed in the throttle while off track, just mentioning because the conversation before the race.

Autumn Ring Handlebar mustache: 1st lap bumped Jack Argent did not concede pass,1st lap bumped cc570 did give back position, 3rd lap bumped cc570 did not concede pass.
 
ryzno if you are talking about the punt I gave you at 246 I am sorry. It was not intentional. The race before that If I upset you again I am sorry.:boggled: I am upset by what I did to you. I feel bad for ruining your fun and "turning you off". :ill:
 
I will check, Cc570. I know I had a bump, I believe in the first lap, and I pulled to the inside of the straight and reduced speed until the guy I bumped passed me as we headed to the first turn. Is that not a concession? If not, please let me know, I will change accordingly.

I felt things were rougher all around, but the Luxury cars were plagued by pushing, shoving/ramming, and clearly, missed braking points (see me, lap 2 at Tokyo, stupid draft).

I am still in for Low Power on Saturday.

If @watermelonpunch feels I deserve a penalty, I accept it.
 
CC570
Looked at a couple of replays. Daytona 1st lap 1st turn atonga619 bumped me of course didn't slow. I bumped a couple of folks regaining control. Went 1st to last.
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I was going to ask you if that was my fault, but I didn't think it was possible because it was from the front.
Mt. Panorama atonga619 again (not picking on you just what I noticed in race), stayed in the throttle while off track, just mentioning because the conversation before the race.
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This one I agree I'm guilty for. I didn't know the track at all. :indiff:
 
CC570
You passed me in the turn but weren't quite clear and drifted out giving me a baby tap, but it was enough to send me off.
No worries though.
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I'll take the penalty for it anyway, it's fine. I was a terrible driver in some of those races.
 
Aaannnd, the Autumn Ring locked up my PS3, I will have to take anyone's word for it.

I thought I laid off the accelerator until someone got ahead of me if I bumped them. There was a lot of jostling (me included) in that race.

A general concern - and not at anyone in particular! - it seemed like there were problems when two cars went into a corner and the inside car slid out and pushed the outer car out of bounds or into a wall. Even the races of Low Power cars had more of this than normal, I thought.

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F'ing Tokyo just locked up my PS3 also. :banghead:
 
Handlebar
I will check, Cc570. I know I had a bump, I believe in the first lap, and I pulled to the inside of the straight and reduced speed until the guy I bumped passed me as we headed to the first turn. Is that not a concession? If not, please let me know, I will change accordingly.

I felt things were rougher all around, but the Luxury cars were plagued by pushing, shoving/ramming, and clearly, missed braking points (see me, lap 2 at Tokyo, stupid draft).

I am still in for Low Power on Saturday.

If @watermelonpunch feels I deserve a penalty, I accept it.
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Yes you bumped me on the 1st lap but slowed up and gave the spot back 👍.
On the 3rd lap you dove inside me, after I turned in, made contact but didn't slow.
 
CC570
Yes you bumped me on the 1st lap but slowed up and gave the spot back 👍.
On the 3rd lap you dove inside me, after I turned in, made contact but didn't slow.
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I can't check lap 3, I guess I have to accept your account - can you double check that I did not lay off the gas and let you back? If I didn't, I deserve whatever is the usual and I accept it.

Crap - school is already cancelled for tomorrow. :banghead:
 
I've reviewed the replay on autumn ring mini with handlebar and cc on the third lap and I have to say it looked like handlebar was running the correct line and cc dove into the inside of the corner after he went wide. I don't believe it was handlebars fault and that a concession was necessary. I would like someone else other than cc or handlebar to review this because this is my first time giving my opinion on a replay so I want to know if I'm making the right call.
 
Indy, Autumn, & GV, locked up my ps3. :banghead:
So I'll ask someone else who can load those to review, please, if there are questions being asked.

I was able to view Willow & Silverstone.
I didn't see anything problematic on Willow, and neither has anyone reported any incidents on Willow.

I know I caused contact in, I think, EVERY race today. :guilty:
But each time I took much care to either not pass or to return the position if I did pass.
If that's not the case, I welcome someone to draw my attention to anything I might have realized, or have someone else review it in the replays that I can't view.

I also remember laying on the horn today a couple of times by accident. I don't usually do that so I may have been tensed. I did it on Silverstone & I think at GV when I was alone thankfully. :embarrassed:

All I can say is that I got up early to take exams this morning - out in the snow! So maybe I was still on edge - though I wasn't doing the driving (in the snow). Or maybe I hadn't enough coffee. :lol: Or maybe I had too much just before racing. :eek:

But I also did sense a bit of tension today in the room generally. :lol: :scared:
But I thought it was just me being irritable.
But you know, peeps were confused about which cars we were driving.
Apparently I gave @Coreyb bad information. :ouch:
All I can say is please have patience with me as there's a lot to coordinate here. And I just find myself unable to individually herd cats. Erm, I mean individually make sure everybody knows what's going on. Remember, there are a lot of drivers involved in this.

I've worked at making sure all the relevant info is in the 1st 3 posts of the thread. So always refer to that, and post in the forum to double check if something looks wrong or confusing, please!


I'm also going to post a post about the definition of "off-roading".

NOTE: this is for linking from the OP, and not directed at anyone in particular.
 
I completely understand watermelon you've got a lot on your plate and some of us have been trying to make your job easier. Like you posted awhile ago we could possibly assign co host parts in order to give you fewer responsibilities. You know Longbow kling myself and others have been helping people out in the pre race chat. You've got enough going on with the setting that I think we can handle the chat. As for checking correct cars, I'm sure we could cover that as well. I'm sure we would be glad to help you. I know I am :D
 
Just as a clarification on this (for linking in the op)
off-roading

This refers to racing off-track, outside the normal track boundaries.
(more than 2 wheels outside the track boundaries & curbing)

Whatever the reason you've left the boundaries of the track, you are not to "keep speed" and continue racing, and definitely should not gain positions while outside the track boundaries.

This is considered off-roading.

It's similar to "shorting the track" in the sense that you can continue with speed, unimpeded by other cars, as your fellow racers would find ON the track.

This is especially true if you are on paved tarmac (outside the track boundaries) or "mowing the grass" in a car that doesn't lose too much grip or is light enough to skitter across.

Ideally, and technically, you're supposed to re-enter the track near to where you left the track.

Obviously, the spectacular speed you might have leaving the track (after missing a brake point or being hit), or the configuration of the track, may make this impossible.

All the same, as soon as you've left the track boundaries, you're number one priority should be to SLOW DOWN, so that you may re-enter the track as near as possible to where you went off.

Oriented correctly, and not obstructing traffic nor distracting other racers who may wonder where/when you're going to plow back onto the track at speed.

The only possible exception to this is where you leave the track just briefly, with no traffic behind you that might be obstructed by your re-entry to the track. (Though if you've gained time, you should still lift throttle to self-penalize, as usual.)

Common examples of prohibited off-roading areas:

The grass areas along the Nurburgring.
The concrete & grass lawns at Deep Forest.
The grass lawns around Tsukuba & Cape Ring.
The paved areas outside the track boundaries at Silverstone, Fuji, & Spa.
The paved & grass areas outside the track boundaries at Autumn Ring.
The hard sand along the track at Laguna Seca and Willow Springs.
 
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daddyo845
it looked like handlebar was running the correct line and cc dove into the inside of the corner after he went wide.
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@daddyo845 - AFTER he went wide?

What you're describing (and I haven't actually seen this and can't because my replay won't load)... But what it sounds like you're describing is that @Handlebar made an error, and when he went wide, @CC570 took advantage of it.

This is not improper for cc570 to do. At that point, if he made an error, he had no further claim to that line, and would not have had the right to try and dip back in... and if he did, and made contact, he would be at fault.

Again, I haven't seen the incident in the replay, I'm just going by the description.

From the GTP OLR:
If an ahead driver has clearly made an error to warrant a passing move, a behind driver may attack their position, with due caution and care, regardless of whether there was any pre-existing overlap. However, the overtaking driver must still avoid contact. Small errors by the ahead driver may not justify a passing move. The ahead driver getting a bit out of shape at times doesn't give you an automatic right to pass. You still have to judge if their error allows for a safe pass to take place.
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If your movement causes an accident, you're responsible.
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That's almost exactly what I'm saying only one thing and I didn't quite say it very well but actually you got the two backwards. Cc ran wide and handlebar attempted to capitalize on this but cc dove back into the inside of the corner as handlebar was attempting to get through. Handlebar didnt push cc out of the way he was next to cc when cc dove into the corner. Like I said before. I would like someone else to review it if they can. Stupid replay crashes :banghead:
 
I didn't slide to the right off the grid at Daytona!
Well, I don't remember doing that...

Oh one thing I did see in the Silverstone race... 1st turn of the race...
Going 3 wide through the 1st turn, I would consider to be "creating 1st turn drama".
I mean in the tiny slow cars this might be doable on some tracks, but at Silverstone in the Luxury cars, that was a bit silly. :rolleyes:
 
daddyo845
That's almost exactly what I'm saying only one thing and I didn't quite say it very well but actually you got the two backwards. Cc ran wide and handlebar attempted to capitalize on this but cc dove back into the inside of the corner as handlebar was attempting to get through. Handlebar didnt push cc out of the way he was next to cc when cc dove into the corner. Like I said before. I would like someone else to review it if they can. Stupid replay crashes :banghead:
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Yeah, I didn't understand which "he" was attached to handlebar or cc570 :boggled:

That's sort of what happened with you & I on Matterhorn that time.
I thought you dive bombed me at a turn, & pushed out into me forcing into a space that didn't exist.
But when I looked at the replay it appeared you had overlap before the turn-in point, and I was trying to run the racing line without leaving room for you, and I had to admit, it looked like my movement caused the contact.

Anyway, who gained position in the cc570 vs. handlebar incident?
 

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