Manufacturer Races ( Manufacturers Events )

[SportWagon]

A search didn't find anything to do with this. Perhaps my search was faulty. It's a tricky reference to find.

But I realized that, if I'm going to get 100% again in a new GT2 game, I'm going to need to finish all those pesky Manufacturers' Events.

I found them tedious before...
http://www.geocities.com/gt2toxs/gt/diary/2000-02-24.html

Thursday February 24, 2000
Manufacturers' Races Are So BO-OR-ORING


My game log, tm-30 keeps growing. I did manage to win all the GT League and Special Event races without entering any event twice, and also without selling non-redundant prize cars. Because I had been collecting historical cars as well, I needed to sell the Speed 12 in order to get Cr2,000,000 to do Pike's Peak. I was surprised when I found that the Escudo ghost in the Rally section is actually no faster than the Cultus ghost, even though I find the Escudo much easier to go fast with. The garage is essentially full.


Anyway, after doing all the GT League, Special Event, Enduros, and Rally Events, that left all those stupid little manufacturers' races you find under the Events button at many Manufacturers' Dealership screens.


Cribbed from GameShark Gabe, but extensively modified in format, here is a list of all of them:
Manufacturers' Races
East City
Manufacturer Race N U P Done Comments
Daihatsu Midget - Normal N
Mira - Normal N
Mira - Racing N
Storia - Normal N
Storia - Racing N
Honda NSX Trophy - Normal N
Civic Race - Normal N
Civic Race - Racing N
Beat the Beat - Normal N
Type R Meeting - Normal N P
Challenge S2000 - Normal N
Challenge S2000 - Racing N
Mazda RX-7 - Normal N
Roadster - Normal N
Roadster - Racing N
Demio - Normal N
Demio - Racing N
AZ-1 - Normal U
Mitsubishi Mirage - Normal N
Mirage - Racing N
Evolution - Normal N
Nissan Silvia & 180SX - Normal N
Silvia & 180SX - Racing N
Pulsar - Normal N
Skyline R34 - Normal N
March - Normal N
March - Racing N
GT-R - Normal N
GT-R - Racing N
Subaru Alcyone (SVX) Challenge - Normal U
Alcyone (SVX) Challenge - Racing U
Impreza Challenge - Normal N
Suzuki Alto Works Cup - Normal N
Alto Works Cup - Racing N
Cappuccino Cup - Normal U
Cappuccino Cup - Racing U
Tommy Kaira ZZ-S - Normal N
ZZ-S - Racing N
Toyota Celica - Normal N
Celica - Racing N
Starlet - Normal N
MR-S - Normal N
Altezza - Normal N
Altezza - Racing N
Vitz - Normal N
Vitz - Racing N


North City
Manufacturer Race N U P Done Comments
Aston Martin DB7 Trophy - Normal N
DB7 Trophy - Racing N
Audi TT Challenge - Normal N
TT Challenge - Racing N
BMW 3 Series Cup - Normal N
Jaguar None
Lister None
Lotus Elise Trophy - Normal N
Elise Trophy - Racing N
Elan Trophy - Normal N
Elan Trophy - Racing N
Mercedes-Benz SLK Trophy - Normal N
SLK Trophy - Racing N
Mini-MG Mini Challenge - Normal N
Mini Challenge - Racing N
MGF Challege - Normal N
MGF CHallenge - Racing N
Opel Tigra Cup - Normal N
Tigra Cup - Racing N
RUF None
TVR Tuscan Speed - Normal P
Tuscan Speed - Racing P
Volkswagen Golf Cup - Normal N
Golf Cup - Racing N
Beetle - Normal N
Beetle - Racing N


South City
Manufacturer Race N U P Done Comments
Acura None
Chevrolet Corvette Meeting - Normal N
Corvette Meeting - Racing N
Dodge Viper Festival of Speed - Normal N
Viper Festival of Speed - Racing N
Neon Trophy - Normal N
Neon Trophy - Racing N
Plymouth None
Shelby None
Ford Ka Challenge - Normal N
Ka Challenge - Racing N
Focus Challenge - Normal N
Vector None


West City
Manufacturer Race N U P Done Comments
Alfa Romeo 155 & 156 - Normal N
155 & 156 - Racing N
Citroen Saxo Challenge - Normal N
Saxo Challenge - Racing N
Fiat 500 Meeting - Normal N
500 Meeting - Racing N
Lancia Delta Cup - Normal N
Delta Cup - Racing N
Peugeot 106 Challenge - Normal N
106 Challenge - Racing N
Renault Clio Cup - Normal N
Clio Cup - Racing N
Venturi None


In fact, these are useful charts for keeping track of your progress. I am going to put them in my results_forms page. "N" "U", and "P" stand for "New", "Used" and "Prize" respectively, and stand for where you can or must find the car. I might get it entirely filled in some time. The important ones are ones where "N" is not available, but you must either find the car used, or win it as a prize. All such prizes seem to be deterministic (in fact, I think the Tuscan may be the only one you can only get by winning). With the used cars however, you may find no such car in the lot when you look. 8-(


Note that an additional aggravation is that very often prizes which it seems would be eligible are not. For example, the Mine's R34 Skyline GT-R cannot enter the R34 Race 8-( (although it can enter the GT-R Race!?!?!).
<<-- Gameplay Hints-->>


If you're having trouble completing the races, I have noticed that buying merely supersoft tires, and the second level of power improvement for the car is usually more than adequate. If the car has a racing category as well, then I also do Weight Reduction 3 (since that is necessary to do Racing Modification in GT2), but if it doesn't I don't bother. In GT1 it seemed to me that Weight Reduction 3 often necessitated a better suspension, but either I'm a better driver now, or that principle does not hold in GT2. The cars seem perfectly adequate to beat their pitiful competion with better tires and a little power alone. You get a lot of unfamiliar reverse tracks in the Manufacturers' Races--Rome ii and Seattle Short ii seem to be favourites. If it were not for that I might go with even cheaper modifications. But I just want to get the silly things done. When I run out of cash, I win Stars/RedRock with the [R]Denso Sard Supra, to bankroll a few more cars.


I have recently made a few improvements to the prototype gear chart maybe you'd like to try it (again). Hmm. I still wonder if anyone will be able to figure it out.

To be honest, the real problem with them is I tend to get a track I haven't practised on much, and so I make stupid mistakes. Perhaps I should be honest this game, and not reload over such losses...

I suppose one could prepare by doing time trials of all the reverse tracks in the car one has chosen to use for a particular series. Then again, let me try to remember. GT2 has practice unlimited sessions, but no qualifying, right? So as long as one is patient, there's really little excuse for flubbing it. But some extra practice on reverse tracks would be good preparation.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

Yeah, there's no qualifying but you can practice all you want. Personally, I love the manufacture races most of the time. The main thing that sucks about them is you gotta spend lots of money on race-kits. This means you'll eventually run out of credits. Then you gotta do some races just to earn money. It becomes a bit of a chore just to race for a paycheck instead of for the thrill of racing. But otherwise I usually look forward to doing them cuz all the cars are similar so light tuning is all that's needed.

I'd typically get a sports or semi-racing suspension, sports tires (I'd skip the tires for kei cars) and a racing exhaust. Maybe a shorter (sports) gearbox. Then when I do the race-mod, i'll up the power with a Stage 1 NA tune or turbo and id be good to go.

There are some exceptions to this, of course. The Corvette and DB7 races, for instance. Gotta get at least medium slicks for those! Also in some race (the Civic and RX7 races come to mind) there are many different years and styles of cars racing so I'd look up the most powerful one and try to raise my power till it's slightly more than it. Gotta get that slight edge since the game always puts you in 6th place

 

[sucahyo]

I like standard car manufacturer race for two thing:
- racing an equal car to see how good our driving skill is compare to AI.

and

- How much better our tuning is making our car driven by AI against the other AI. Without trick, just the proper way of tuning understeer and oversteer, seeing our AI driver beat the other AI in corner feels really great .

 

[Parnelli Bone]

I like standard car manufacturer race for two thing:
- racing an equal car to see how good our driving skill is compare to AI.

and

- How much better our tuning is making our car driven by AI against the other AI. Without trick, just the proper way of tuning understeer and oversteer, seeing our AI driver beat the other AI in corner feels really great .

Yeah, that's the thing...I like tuning to give my car a slight edge over the AI; only because the game always puts you in 6th place 👎 Plus, we get to occasionally race at Rome Nite!

 

[SportWagon]

Well, I've been making preparations for my new game. I found my notes and logs from old GT2 games. And an ample supply of my GT2 results sheets. (Also available in PostScript). And also my Manufacturer's Race Charts.

And I found my copy of the Prima Strategy Guide for GT2. That's sure to be indispensible. And also the GT2 release issue of Official Playstation Magazine.

And I primed my PDA with a document of useful game log snippets to hopefully help me take direct machine-readable notes this time.

Now it's just down to deciding which memory cards to use. Really. I knew I should have bought more PS1 cards during the last few months when they were sold.

This game I'm not going to worry about event order--I want to have fun. But I am only going to enter cars which should qualify for particular events, and not take advantage of how the game doesn't check. I suppose I could restrict myself to cars seen in the preview (where I'm allowed to enter them ), but I think I'll allow myself to use others which seem to naturally fit the apparent restrictions. I might check back here for rulings occasionally.

I'll probably take a while to get 100%. When I find an event which seems fun I'll probably try a variety of cars or modification levels in it. I'll start with a 1983 Toyota Corolla Trueno AE86 GT-APEX, and probably try it in a lot of events either before or after winning them once. (Hmm. I'll probably be tempted to use it in events where it doesn't "qualify"--as a single exception).

I don't know why, but the Manufacturer's Events don't seem so daunting this time around. But I'll see when I actually get there, I guess. I suppose the saddest thing is that you don't have a big enough garage to keep all the cars you need for the Manufacturer's events.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

Yea! I don't know why, I'm all excited...I miss the feeling of starting a whole new game from scratch I guess! I should be starting GT4 (for real this time) within the next 2 weeks so I know how it is.

Yeah, you shouldn't be worried about the length of time it'll take...after all those 10, 15, 20, even 30 lap races in GT3's Pro league, coming back to GT2 for a couple laps feels like a commercial break!

 

[Barracuda]

Thats what im up to right now. it just cost so much but money is no problem when you have an escudo and you win a speed 12 of red rock valley every time

I just hate, like you said, when it brings up a track i dont really like. I have no choice because i dont wan't my win percentage to fall under 60% ( just a personal set thing ) and im at 60.92% so i cant go back and re-eneter hoping to get a better track.

Still haven't got the 22b yet either

 

[Parnelli Bone]

Thats what im up to right now. it just cost so much but money is no problem when you have an escudo and you win a speed 12 of red rock valley every time

I just hate, like you said, when it brings up a track i dont really like. I have no choice because i dont wan't my win percentage to fall under 60% ( just a personal set thing ) and im at 60.92% so i cant go back and re-eneter hoping to get a better track.

Still haven't got the 22b yet either

Ugh...Escuso! of course you'll win every time...Sorry man

My fave way to get money is the Euro & Japanese GT Regionals....for some reason I never get tired of those races or the GT Cup from GT1. That level of racing really appeals to me. Any car from a Civic to a Viper or Skyline or Tommykaira ZZ or...the list goes on...basically many cars can compete competitively here without that cheatin' feeling.

I still don't have the 22B either...lately I've been curious about it, too. 💡

 

[SportWagon]

Now, according to
http://www.geocities.com/gt2toxs/gt/diary/2000-03-17.html
there are 90 manufacturer's events. Now, if you wanted to keep a car able to enter each, I guess you could fit them in one garage. I'm not sure if non-race-mods can enter (let alone win) the race-mod events. If so, that might allow you to reduce the total slightly, to make room for other cars.

Now, I already have prize collections. So if I purchase cars with a view to eligibility for Manufacturer's Events, then maybe I will actually be able to avoid selling cars I have raced, although I will need to sell prizes (though a few prizes will be good Manufacturer's entrants--a very few mandatory). (There are apparently 76 prize cars, not counting license tests).

Let's see... No silly engine wear. No silly rigidity refreshes. Doesn't matter how many miles you drive each car!!!! Yay!!!

 

[SportWagon]

The 22B appears on days 20,90,280,350,450,500 and every 600 day equivalent of that, staying around for 10 days (i.e. until the next "0" day) each time.

I'm probably going to allow myself to buy (trade) from other games.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

I'm not sure if non-race-mods can enter (let alone win) the race-mod events.

No, they cannot. NRM cars cannot enter race-mod races or vice-versa. You unfortunately gotta spend that cash.

I rolled my 8-sided dice and my #1 driver came up! Which means I'm starting GT4 tonite!! 👍

 

[SportWagon]

Is that you or your B-spec driver who's going to start tonight?

 

[sucahyo]

Nice sheets 👍.

Good luck with GT4 Parnelli Bone .

When I was doing manufacturer event I keep thinking about how should I limit myself. Is it budget or power.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

Is that you or your B-spec driver who's going to start tonight?

Definitely me I do my GT racing according to the type of "driver" I'm pretending to be. On the other hand, I plan on using the B-spec driver to do any races "my driver" wouldn't want to do.

This driver of mine (Dirk Bryant): before he got rich, he was one of those dudes you see on Jerry Springer with the mullet & handlebar mustache. Lived in the trailer park, etc. There's plenty of races he won't wanna do so that's where the B-spec driver comes in.

I know it don't make any sense...it's just how I get into the game. I kinda got the idea from you when you entered a new GT1 game under the name Grant Tomaso

 

[SportWagon]

Don't forget Ray Hastings, with his '67 Sting Ray.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

Where is he? Give me a link; I wanna read!

 

[Barracuda]

sorry to go off topic but.....

I followed what you said about the days and finally got the 22b ( I actually bought 3 to be exact ) The handling is great compared to the normal sti ( with a little suspension tweeking )

I actually used it for the subaru impreza manufacturer race ( fully modified of course but without racing modification ) I know that was SUPER overkill but i wanted to see how well it would perform and im a bit lazy right now. After the race I installed racing modification and I have yet to test it but it has already proven itself.

The only problem i had with doing this is that i had to skip 40 days from 580 to 620 by enetering a liscense test then backing out over and over . It messed with my day count but it shows how much i wanted the 22b

EDIT: Oh ya, on a side note, i just fully modified an az-1 for the manufacturer race and it has one of the most pleasing exhaust notes ive ever heard. just my opinion but i does

 

[Parnelli Bone]

The AZ-1 is one of the coolest kei car, agreed 👍 and it gets more upgrades than the poor Honda Beat!

 

[SportWagon]

Where is he? Give me a link; i wanna read!

http://www.geocities.com/gt2toxs/gt/diary/1999-12-04.html
You could have just gone to
http://www.geocities.com/gt2toxs/gt/diary/ and searched for "Hastings" (which is what I just did...)

Actually, I guess its difficult to find the game log from there.
http://www.geocities.com/gt2toxs/gt/logs/hastings.txt

When I first uploaded my pages, geocities wouldn't allow gt/diary/logs and I never did fix the links properly, sorry. All the logs referred to are under
http://www.geocities.com/gt2toxs/gt/logs/
and the "garage summarizer" does not exist. It was a CGI at my original site.

And I guess I didn't actually embellish the Ray Hastings story like I had Grant Tomaso.

A few observations about the Levin (no Trueno'83 available).

The game is confused. In the garage it says it's an '83, but in a race, or in memory-card trade, it says it's an '85.

Took Cr40,000 to win the Trial Mountain 30. (I really like buying that gold Toyota 2000GT'68 before day 10). I couldn't see an easier way to make Cr10,000 than to lose the Trial Mountain 30. So that's what I did. Cr10,000, together with what was left over from the original Cr10,000 gave me just enough to buy TS2. I came 4th with that, (but "should have managed" 3rd) and that Cr30,000 was enough to allow the Levin'83 to beat the Elise 111 which showed up in the next round. So now my winning average is 33.33% and my average rank is 3.66. So tonight I'll finish off my IA license, and unlock the money-making machine. I'm going to buy the 1985 GT-APEX which is available days 1-9, and see how confused it is about its identity. But it will need to be sold soon.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

A few observations about the Levin (no Trueno'83 available).

The game is confused. In the garage it says it's an '83, but in a race, or in memory-card trade, it says it's an '85.

Took Cr40,000 to win the Trial Mountain 30. (I really like buying that gold Toyota 2000GT'68 before day 10). I couldn't see an easier way to make Cr10,000 than to lose the Trial Mountain 30. So that's what I did. Cr10,000, together with what was left over from the original Cr10,000 gave me just enough to buy TS2. I came 4th with that, (but "should have managed" 3rd) and that Cr30,000 was enough to allow the Levin'83 to beat the Elise 111 which showed up in the next round. So now my winning average is 33.33% and my average rank is 3.66. So tonight I'll finish off my IA license, and unlock the money-making machine. I'm going to buy the 1985 GT-APEX which is available days 1-9, and see how confused it is about its identity. But it will need to be sold soon.

Yeah, that's one of GT2's many fabulous mistakes...that confusion between years '83 and '85.

I love the Trail Mountain Enduro! I've done that one many many times.

 

[SportWagon]

This is turning out to be a very interesting way to attack GT2. But some series have no apparent entries from the Manufacturer's events. Two of these are the Luxury Cap Cup and the Muscle Car Cup (well, I could go with a vintage Corvette, since they do enter the series, but I really don't count them as muscle cars).

I see the Taurus SHO enters the Luxury Car Cup. I wouldn't really think of it as a Luxury Car, but it might be handy for finishing up the FF set too. Nah. There's plenty of valid FF Manufacturer's races. Neon, Saxo, Focus, and, on the bottom end, Vitz. Celica, Beetle, too. But then maybe the Taurus would be good for U.S. races? No, I should see what the Neon can do first.

Hmm. An Altezza (which has a manufacturer's race) really seems more luxurious than a Taurus, anyway? I should see if it shows up in previews.

But do you see what I mean about this being a relatively interesting way of deciding what cars to use?

And another dilemma. U.S. or not? NSX? Focus? Ka?

 

[Parnelli Bone]

....GT2 is quite a world is it not? The virtual encylopedia of machinery is huge, yet GT2 feels a bit easier to approach than GT4 (the other "encyclopedia game" of the series) since most of the races in GT2 are 2 or 3 laps.

 

[sucahyo]

And in GT2, most car has info 👍.

I think Aston Martin DB7 can be considered as luxury car. For muscle car race I think there is no other option except '69 Corvette.

 

[SportWagon]

So I did the first U.S. National race yesterday with the manufacturer-eligible Neon ACR, and was happy to see the AI drive the same model. But the field also included Ford Ka and Focus models. Even the Focus was pretty much European at that time, wasn't it?

 

[Parnelli Bone]

So I did the first U.S. National race yesterday with the manufacturer-eligible Neon ACR, and was happy to see the AI drive the same model. But the field also included Ford Ka and Focus models. Even the Focus was pretty much European at that time, wasn't it?

Yes.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

And in GT2, most car has info 👍.

I think Aston Martin DB7 can be considered as luxury car. For muscle car race I think there is no other option except '69 Corvette.

Actually, the Aston is a coupe not a sedan!!! But actually, since it packs about 4,000 pounds and has largish dimensions, i would let it slide 👍

 

[sucahyo]

oops, forgot that .

 

[SportWagon]

Based on the replays, the definition of Convertible is very liberal in that series. But, in any case, I think I'll use a Viper RT/10 in the Viper Festival of Speed and count it as eligible. It appears in the replays, and I guess it has a T-roof. MG-F is in the lower-power Convertible replays, and is also British and MR...

 

[SportWagon]

I have uploaded the log now
http://www.geocities.com/gt2toxs/gt/logs/gt2-mfr.txt

 

[Parnelli Bone]

Based on the replays, the definition of Convertible is very liberal in that series.

Yeah, it seems the "convertible" definition can be stretched to include "targa, 2-seater sports car, or convertible-as-an-option" for this series. Also, (as you noticed) the definition of "luxury" for the sedan series is pretty wacky. The Intrepid, Taurus SHO, and some other machines are NOT luxurious by any means!