Metal Gear Solid V: Ground Zeroes/The Phantom Pain
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Jawehawk
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Multiplayer won't be available until a month after release for the console versions, and not until january for the PC version. Ordinarily, I'd be upset about missing functionality, but in this case, I simply don't care. I can't imagine anyone buying/playing this game for the multiplayer.
The PC release has been moved up to Sep. 1st.
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/metal-gear-solid-5s-multiplayer-wont-be-available-/1100-6429413/
Would then end up with inferior controls (not a game for keyboard and mouse, IMO), wires running accross my room, and inferior graphics, as I doubt my PC can run it on high settings with my GTX 960 and Intel I5 3750. And Collectors Edition!
The PC release has been moved up to Sep. 1st.
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/metal-gear-solid-5s-multiplayer-wont-be-available-/1100-6429413/
Weeeeeeeell, you could always hook your PC up to your TV and sound system
Would then end up with inferior controls (not a game for keyboard and mouse, IMO), wires running accross my room, and inferior graphics, as I doubt my PC can run it on high settings with my GTX 960 and Intel I5 3750. And Collectors Edition!
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You can switch between controller and KB&M on the fly, though
The cables and stuff is kinda nasty unless done right, so I'll give you that... Lacking hardware, too (I do believe a 960 should be able to run the game well enough, though, given that the pc version looks better than the console version when maxed out). Just saying, don't underestimate the flexibility a pc offers
I'm just a little unhappy it didn't come out during my vacation
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I played Ground Zeroes entirely with a DS3 on my PC. I expect to be able to do the same with Phantom Pain. I do the same with pretty much every non-racing game I get on Steam these days.
You're making this sound harder than it is. The reality is that the difference between a console and a passable PC is basically nothing these days. If you prefer to play on console, then cool. But it's a preference, not because consoles are objectively better in any real fashion.
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Feel free to point out where I said that consoles were objectively better. I play on both PC and consoles, and for this particular game, I prefer going for the console version. It's not that it's all that hard to go out and buy a long HDMI cable, but there is zero reason for me to do so. I quite like the simplicity of a console. I know the game will work once I start it. Something that I sadly can't say for my PC games half the time.
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Inferior controls, not true. If anything, the controls are better on PC because I have total control of how my controller is bound regardless of whether the game allows it or not.
Inferior graphics, possible, but probably equivalent to the console graphics unless you're playing on a potato. I'm on an old i5-2500 and a 770 and my GZ looked more or less like the console videos I saw. Your computer is arguably equivalent or a little stronger than mine.
Wires running across your room, one wire, same as a console.
You were listing reasons that PC was worse than a console. Or to put it another way, reasons that a console is better than a PC.
It's unfortunate that you didn't choose ones that are actually valid.
I know the game will work once I start it. Something that I sadly can't say for my PC games half the time.
I don't know what games you're playing, but Steam has been pretty reliable for me. I can't remember the last time I had a game not be playable, and everything I've bought in at least the last year or two (that wasn't an early access) has just worked. Including all the things I wanted to play with my DS3 or my wheel.
There are recent counterexamples on both platforms, Arkham Knight was notably broken on PC, and pCARS was pretty busted on consoles at release. Bad stuff can happen regardless of what platform you're on. You're at the mercy of the developers.
Consoles are great and they do their job fine, but I don't like this need for console users to make out that PC gaming is somehow fraught with difficulty. It's not. Nor are PCs better than consoles, most of the time there's not really any significant difference between a PC, an X1 and a PS4.
I come across actual problems on PC about as often as I come across actual problems on console, with the difference being I actually have some control over my hardware so I can choose whether I want to do something myself while I wait for the developer to patch their buggy bollocks game.
I don't see the advantage to you of talking down PC, particularly if you're going to cite reasons that range from dubious to outright false. It only serves to propagate the meme that there's somehow a cultural divide between console and PC, whereas they're really just the same things in different boxes.
If you want to play on console, fine. Don't make up excuses to do so and push them as though they're truth. There are people who will be turned off considering a PC for no good reason, and I'd rather they make their decision based on sound information instead of the latest memes in the PC vs. Console slapfight.
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Well, I hope you're wrong since I've got a GTX 960 and a 4690K which is only just in front of your 3570 (at stock speed anyway)... It ran Ground Zeroes maxed just fine, though (well, with lows of 55fps in the rain but you wouldn't know it wasn't 60 without a frame rate counter running), and looked better than the PS4 version while doing it, but I'm prepared to turn things down a little if necessary.
I don't think I can go back to MGS with analogue sticks anyway, though, mouse aim accuracy in GZ pretty much killed it dead - it's practically the exact opposite to MGS2 HD's oversensitive first person aiming or Peace Walker SD where you had to aim with the PSP's extremely digital face buttons - But the trade-off is you don't get the same subtlety of movement with WASD and sprint/creep modifier buttons. Then again the gameplay doesn't actually suffer that way so it's not so bad. Interrogating people can be a bit like a game of Twister, though... Holding Q and pressing 1 at the same time is tricky, but you get used to it.
I wonder, if there's co-op, will that be delayed too? Or is it just Metal Gear Online? Not long until we find out for ourselves... Man, this is going to be a long month.
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There is a new advantage to go PC digital, refunds. If you bought the game physically, then you have nothing to worry about, but if you bought your copy digitally from XBL or PSN, sorry, no refunds for you.
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So did you stop reading after "inferior controls", or perhaps you don't know what IMO means? Because I very specifically state that the controls on the PC are inferior in my own opinion. As in, what matters to me. Unless you can play on the higher settings, the graphics are going to be inferior. Now, I don't know how well I can run the game, but I do know that I almost certainly won't be able to tell much of a quality difference during gameplay on the highest settings on PC, compared to on my PS4. In my case, the wires would have to go across the room. Again, it should be obvious that I'm not listing it as a general problem, but rather, a problem that affects me. Your console will typically be located next to or under your TV. Your PC typically won't. In my case, the PC is on the other side of the room. Hence the need to have a HDMI cable (don't have any in that lenght anyway) running across the room.
Frankly, the lack of understanding of what I was trying to convey, is baffling to me.
Not once did I say that the console version was going to be superior to the PC version in general terms. Rather, I was listing reasons for why I personally, in my particular situation, prefer the console version. How that is hard for you to understand is beyond my comprehension.
So to clear up the confusion. No, I don't think the PC version will be inferior in general terms. I don't presume to know what controls work best for you or anyone else, but personally, I prefer using a controller with analogue sticks for 3rd person games. And that is without having to use 3rd party software to get the controller to work, while displaying XBOX promps on screen. I prefer the platform where I know with almost utmost certainty that I'll have a stable experience throughout. And I, as in me alone, has had a lot of problems with PC games throughout the years. I'm not suggesting that you, or anyone else in here, has had the same bad luck. But my experience has been very mixed.
I'm sorry if I seem semi aggressive with this, but frankly, your post and lack of understanding of my previous posts, annoyed me to no end.
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After reading the news that Konami treats its staff like crap, yeah. You have to give more respect to Hideo Kojima. Because, despite the unbelievably horrible and scary working environment and business ethics inside, he still didn't leave the company. Simply put, he wasn't making MGS5 for Konami anymore. He was making it for the fans. For us. ALL of us. This is a man who has gone out of his way for so long, has seen and endured such treatment from his bosses since God-knows-when, just so he could meet-- nay, EXCEED our expectations and give us the most epic video game of all time. So, please, I ask you brethren. Yes, most of you might be tempted to boycott Konami at this stage and pass up on MGS5, but please, don't. Buy the game. Play it. Out of love and respect for Kojima-san. He did this for us, so let's return the HUGE favor.
Mr. Kojima, we can't thank you enough.
Mr. Kojima, we can't thank you enough.
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Personally, I can't think of a worse song - amusing as it would be, I think it would undermine the point of the whole game.I wonder if we can upload our own songs to use for the helicopter. I kind of want it to play "MURICA! 🤬 YEAH!" Whenever it appears
For me, I'd be inclined to play anything by Ennio Morricone, or possibly "The Revolution Will Not Be Televised". And there's a song being used to promote upcoming programming on FOXTEL that I don't know the name of which would be good - it goes "Tell the whole world that I'm comin' home / Someone's gonna need a grave" - but I suspect that it will be over-played by September.
Otherwise, just about anything from Grand Theft Auto V's Non-Stop Pop eould be good. Going on a rampage while listening to Rhianna, Wham! or Britney Spears was a surprisingly fun guilty pleasure.
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That is exactly the point
I wonder if the game will feature another memorable song for the intro/ending. Really love Snake Eater, Calling to The Night and Heavens Divide. Great songs that fit their respective games really well.
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These are normal things (in my experience) in any secure software development department. Given what happened to Sony it seems eminently sensible for companies to start doing this. It makes you wonder why they weren't doing it already.
It would also include low-paid jobbing texture painters et. al., another way of interpreting this unsourced third-hand allegation is that rather than lay staff off into a dried-up job market when the work falls they're offered other paying jobs.
Things aren't good at Konami, or so it seems, but that's a pastiche of facts with many potential (often unrelated) meanings cobbled together to favour the writer's opinion. After all your time on t'interwebs you should know how it works
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Even Yong compared it to slavery:These are normal things (in my experience) in any secure software development department. Given what happened to Sony it seems eminently sensible for companies to start doing this. It makes you wonder why they weren't doing it already.
It would also include low-paid jobbing texture painters et. al., another way of interpreting this unsourced third-hand allegation is that rather than lay staff off into a dried-up job market when the work falls they're offered other paying jobs.
Things aren't good at Konami, or so it seems, but that's a pastiche of facts with many potential (often unrelated) meanings cobbled together to favour the writer's opinion. After all your time on t'interwebs you should know how it works
Besides, I did say that it does confirm a lot of what Super BunnyHop said a few months ago because of the fact that that the documents were a matter of public record in Japan, AND the fact that Konami tried to shut him up with a copyright strike that was ultimately taken away by Google themselves.
If I was an investor in Japan, I sure as hell would get out of Konami this morning.
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Even a YobTub contributor? **** just got real, guys. Actually... he recycles the same article that your other source did. I repeat that I'm not saying that all is well at Konami, I just wonder if part of the translation difficulty is between young gamers who inevitably see things one way while those who've worked in bigger companies might see things another.
I'd be getting into Konami seeing as investor confidence is actually improving...
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Ah, you post a video with a few references to Orwell, and you're an expert on the inner workings of a multi-million dollar company on the other side of the world.
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Fair point. However, you all must concede that this whole reaction is from Western eyes. Any company that tries to pull this kind of **** here in the US would get sued out of existence on roughly a third of what is mentioned here.
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I'm surprised no one is talking about the video... Have any of you avoided the E3 gameplay, the alternate routes gameplay thing and the GamesCom gameplay videos? I kind of wish I had but at the same time I don't really care, I just want to play the damn thing ASAP.
Fist of Jehuty looks awesome, as does... Well, almost all of that video. I wonder if there's a limit to how big your FOB or FOBs can get? I'm just worried that if I decide to wait other players might get a huge lead and it'll be poorly balanced or something.
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FOBs look pretty awesome. Hopefully there's a wide range of customisation options.
