MH17 Crash In Ukraine. Known info in OP.

[andrea]

 

[Dennisch]

There are also reports of mobile phones being answered and credit cards being used.....

 

[CodeRedR51]

I hope it gives her a disease.

 

[TenEightyOne]

No idea if it's genuine, sadly it wouldn't surprise me to find it was.

I don't understand why it's the "new owner" of the mascara who makes the "want me to send food, panties, fecal matter" comment. Unless it's a translation of a colloquial "**** and things".

 

[Keef]

I just looked on Instagram and her account has been hacked lmao.

 

[TenEightyOne]

I just looked on Instagram and her account has been hacked lmao.

Incredible, the skill of hackers nowadays. They just used to read your email, now you get a make-over and everything.

 

[Rage Racer]

If it's true, I hope comrade Strelkov (aka Girkin, the DPR defense minister) takes her (and other MH17 looters) to dig trenches on the frontline. As he did to looters in other areas.

 

[mister dog]

If it's true, I hope comrade Strelkov (aka Girkin, the DPR defense minister) takes her (and other MH17 looters) to dig trenches on the frontline. As he did to looters in other areas.

The same comrade that claimed the plane was filled with dead bodies and it was a setup no? I doubt there will be one wallet found that hasn't been emptied, they went through the scene like voltures so i guess comrade Girkin will have a whole WW1 like trench system ready by this time next week.

 

[Dotini]

I don't understand why talk of the war and its players hasn't shifted back to the Ukraine thread. There are continuing major developments of word and deed that surpass the downing of the airliner, no matter how tragic the MH17 event is.

 

[Rage Racer]

The same comrade that claimed the plane was filled with dead bodies and it was a setup no?

He does say some crazy things (he keeps posting about "American mercenaries", "tanks with NATO flags", "English-speaking soldiers", etc crap), but, he seems to be a good person to me. He also fought in Transnistria, Bosnia, and in both Chechen wars. And today, his outnumbered guerilla with very little amount of heavy weapons kicks the Ukrainian army's ass hard.

I doubt there will be one wallet found that hasn't been emptied, they went through the scene like voltures so i guess comrade Girkin will have a whole WW1 like trench system ready by this time next week.

Let's wait and see, ok? And, BTW, one of those "vultures" was a Sky News journo, remember.
...And not just trenches, I guess. Earlier, Strelkov had ordered to execute two of his militiamen for robbing civilians.

 

[TenEightyOne]

I don't understand why talk of the war and its players hasn't shifted back to the Ukraine thread. There are continuing major developments of word and deed that surpass the downing of the airliner, no matter how tragic the MH17 event is.

It's seemed on-topic for the last couple of pages now, there's an intrinsic link between the two.

It's like the Homosexualising/Godding threads in some ways, but with less closet-angst. Mostly.

 

[TenEightyOne]

MH17 was in fact MH370. True story, apparently. Hmmmm.

Someone translate what this post says: someone browsing 4chan (don't go there, he said it's stuffed with gore photos from this) sent it to me: could the Dutchman in the tweet have predicted it? If this is real, that's creepy...

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But that IS the wrong plane, I hadn't noticed that the registration was different.

 

[NLxAROSA]

I've heard the 'invalid passport' argument before. What few seem to realize, is that if you get a visa in your passport (like the E2 I had for the USA), it's NOT transferred/copied when your passport expires. So you have to bring your new passport AND your old one if you want to travel to the country the visa is for.

 

[TenEightyOne]

I've heard the 'invalid passport' argument before. What few seem to realize, is that if you get a visa in your passport (like the E2 I had for the USA), it's NOT transferred/copied when your passport expires. So you have to bring your new passport AND your old one if you want to travel to the country the visa is for.

I was thinking that!

The window theory was interesting; I note that 9M-MRD had a window in the described location in photos from around 2005... but not by 2011. I'm trying to find out what the change was (probably some stewarding equipment in the cabin) and if it was made to all the MA 777s from that 'block'.

 

[Dennisch]

I was thinking that!

The window theory was interesting; I note that 9M-MRD had a window in the described location in photos from around 2005... but not by 2011. I'm trying to find out what the change was (probably some stewarding equipment in the cabin) and if it was made to all the MA 777s from that 'block'.

The seating arrangements were changed. They removed first class. Business class?

 

[TenEightyOne]

The seating arrangements were changed. They removed first class. Business class?

That would make sense!

 

[NLxAROSA]

According to Dutch newspaper 'De Telegraaf' Dutch commandos and Australian SAS are being prepped or already underway to protect the researchers and (unarmed) military police units. They mentioned that yesterday as well, but proved to be untrue (for now anyway). They also mention a regiment of Airborne troops to be on standby as well (1000 men) and possibly use of Dutch Apache helicopters. Not sure if this is true, but curious how this situation will turn out.

 

[Xilor]

According to Dutch newspaper 'De Telegraaf' Dutch commandos and Australian SAS are being prepped or already underway to protect the researchers and (unarmed) military police units. They mentioned that yesterday as well, but proved to be untrue (for now anyway). They also mention a regiment of Airborne troops to be on standby as well (1000 men) and possibly use of Dutch Apache helicopters. Not sure if this is true, but curious how this situation will turn out.

Between this and the Ukrainian govt. shelling a Russian village, this situation is getting properly scary. We might be witnessing the start of a war.

 

[Pizzle13]

anybody noticed that the livery of the malaysian airliners look kind of similar to that of the russian presidential aircraft?
what if the people responsible for this tragedy wanted to shoot down putin ?

similar to "Itavia Flight 870" in the 80s wich is believed to be accidently shot down by NATO
when they wanted to shoot down gaddafi, who was traveling the same airspace
altho never officially confirmed/clarified that was the case ...
7 people in and around the Italian Air Force wich might have known/seen what really happened to that flight
died very unexpectedly in mysterious ways shortly after

 

[NT_03]

^ That could possibly be one of the reasons why MH17 was shot down.. But, the only difference is that the Russian aircraft shown above is a quad-engined aircraft, and is somewhat shorter than a 777. And, the 777 is a twin jet and is much longer than the presidential aircraft.

 

[mister dog]

According to Dutch newspaper 'De Telegraaf' Dutch commandos and Australian SAS are being prepped or already underway to protect the researchers and (unarmed) military police units. They mentioned that yesterday as well, but proved to be untrue (for now anyway). They also mention a regiment of Airborne troops to be on standby as well (1000 men) and possibly use of Dutch Apache helicopters. Not sure if this is true, but curious how this situation will turn out.

Don't think this would be a wise decision, love to see how the tough guys over there react when some real commandos enter the scene, but knowing they are probably drunk on the job most of the time the situation can easily escalate into firefights...

 

[TenEightyOne]

We might be witnessing the start of a war.

Seriously dude? Where have you been for the last 2 months? There's been a fierce and casualty-strewn war in areas of the Ukraine for some time.

 

[Xilor]

Seriously dude? Where have you been for the last 2 months? There's been a fierce and casualty-strewn war in areas of the Ukraine for some time.

Obviously I was talking about the start of a global war rather then Ukraine shelling its own countrymen.

There is absolutely nothing in the Russian media about the investigators being in any kind of danger. Obviously that's to be taken with a grain of salt but I doubt things are so bad there that they need a team of Commandos and Airborne to show up.

Then there's the situation at the Russian border, just yesterday an entire village in southern Rostov had to be evacuated because it was under fire from Ukrainian mortars (http://en.itar-tass.com/russia/742375). What is Russia to do in this situation? They have to protect their own civilians, but if they start bringing in troops on the border the West will almost certainly portray that as yet another provocation.

 

[Pizzle13]

^ That could possibly be one of the reasons why MH17 was shot down.. But, the only difference is that the Russian aircraft shown above is a quad-engined aircraft, and is somewhat shorter than a 777. And, the 777 is a twin jet and is much longer than the presidential aircraft.

i dont have alot of knowledge about the airplanes, not even about the 2 countries involved
but when i saw the news in my country showing some of the debri photos of the mh17
the first thing that came to my mind was that it reminds me of russia for some reason
then i went onto google and and looked for russia wikipedia page,
as i saw the russian flag it quickly became clear why my mind "clicked" russia
it was the colors
out of curiousity i googled MH 17 and tried to compare it to russian airlines liveries
but they look nothing alike
then i compared them to the russian presidential plane, and to my surprise, they do look alike
and made me think about the Itavia Flight 870 in the 80s
i didnt really pay attention to diffrences between the planes/model, just the livery

Edit:
i know that you wont see any colors from the ground at that height
but what about jets ? possibly ukrainian jets?

as i said i have no clue about the countries nor do i have knowledge about the conflict they have
im not much of a political dude and i dont read every information that emerges
im just saying that "russia" was my first impression when i saw the debris from MH17 on my news channel

 

[mister dog]

If a plane flies at 33,000 feet i think you won't notice much colors anymore as you would just stare at it's belly with your binoculars (and a damn good set of binoculars you'll probably need also). As far as i know the rocket launchers they used use radar only to recognize a plane.

 

[TenEightyOne]

...as i saw the russian flag it quickly became clear why my mind "clicked" russia it was the colors...i know that you wont see any colors from the ground at that height but what about jets ? possibly ukrainan jets?

Only fighter-jet pilots would have seen it... and you don't get to that point in your career without knowing a little about aircraft. I can ID a 777 from about 30 miles out, dependent on the angle, they'd be able to do it from much further I imagine, even without augmented vision.

Once the type is identified it really doesn't matter if it looks like the Russian flag or not.

 

[Pizzle13]

Only fighter-jet pilots would have seen it... and you don't get to that point in your career without knowing a little about aircraft. I can ID a 777 from about 30 miles out, dependent on the angle, they'd be able to do it from much further I imagine, even without augmented vision.

Once the type is identified it really doesn't matter if it looks like the Russian flag or not.

thats true i guess
tho there has been incidents where airliners were correctly identified by a jet pilot
and still attacked on command, as a jet pilot follows orders.
but it happened with diffrent circumstances like flying into wrong airspace
and ingoring the warning procedures or possibly not correctly carrying out the procedures on both sides

 

[TenEightyOne]

thats true i guess
tho there has been incidents where airliners were correctly identified by a jet pilot
and still attacked on command, as a jet pilot follows orders.
but it happened with diffrent circumstances like flying into wrong airspace

That's true, of course, but in this case it seems very unlikely for the reasons you've given.

 

[TenEightyOne]

^ That could possibly be one of the reasons why MH17 was shot down.. But, the only difference is that the Russian aircraft shown above is a quad-engined aircraft, and is somewhat shorter than a 777. And, the 777 is a twin jet and is much longer than the presidential aircraft.

It's an interesting theory but, as you say, the aircraft are very very clearly of different types to anyone used to identifying aircraft... which hopefully most jet pilots are.

One wonders though; what does it look like through binocs or a sight? The colours aren't the same way around either but my inclination is that this can't be discounted in terms of identification-from-ground.

The "standard" MA livery (they also had a much cooler blue livery iirc) has a grey underbelly which is unusual, just as many military planes do.

 

[PeterJB]

Chances are these people like to keep track of Putin's whereabouts too, so you think they'd notice that the plane was coming from the wrong end of Europe.