Mission 34 - Mercedes Mclaren SLR at Nurburgring

[zaide]

oh, in case it was misunderstood, i did not feel unsatisfied with victory whatsoever, it was still hard like i said, and i enjoyed winning, i just think its more relaxing to give it a clean shot afterwards, if i rolled up my sleeves and worked enough to get 80 golds, i can do this too, im not trying to avoid difficulty when its encountered, but just to make it a better scenario, if i may call it that way

 

[Jugend]

Recently got myself GT4 again and I have a question for you guys.

I never did this mission the last time and haven't got many laps on Nurb aswell. My first completed lap on IA-15 (license) was 9.04 with the 190 EVOII, 4 secs from gold after 3 tries. (yesterday) How would you compare that to this mission? will I have to practice a lot to make it?

(PAL version..)

 

[ZZII]

Recently got myself GT4 again and I have a question for you guys.

I never did this mission the last time and haven't got many laps on Nurb aswell. My first completed lap on IA-15 (license) was 9.04 with the 190 EVOII, 4 secs from gold after 3 tries. (yesterday) How would you compare that to this mission? will I have to practice a lot to make it?

(PAL version..)

9'04 is definitely a respectable time for IA-15 and getting gold there will certainly help you learn the track. However, I think M34 is without a doubt harder than IA-15 gold. Imagine a car with over 300 more horsepower, but the same tires - that's the McLaren SLR. It's a lot harder to get the hang of. I went back to try IA-15 over (I had silver.) and found myself having to slow down to avoid passing the pace car now and got gold by 5 seconds. That tells me that I definitely learned a lot more about the Nordschleife from M34 than from IA-15. PAL version might be more comparable, though. Good luck!

 

[Jugend]

9'04 is definitely a respectable time for IA-15 and getting gold there will certainly help you learn the track. However, I think M34 is without a doubt harder than IA-15 gold. Imagine a car with over 300 more horsepower, but the same tires - that's the McLaren SLR. It's a lot harder to get the hang of. I went back to try IA-15 over (I had silver.) and found myself having to slow down to avoid passing the pace car now and got gold by 5 seconds. That tells me that I definitely learned a lot more about the Nordschleife from M34 than from IA-15. PAL version might be more comparable, though. Good luck!

Thanks!

Yep, the pacecar is annoingly slow on IA-15. But that sounds fair what you say. Seems the biggest deal will be to learn how to cope with the SLR's weight and more power, not so much the track then.. The EVOII has a very balanced mix between power and grip, a joy to drive.

This question could seem a bit pointless since it's just to give it a go, but I'm saving this gem for a while..

 

[VS_Commodore]

There will forever be 44 days straight in my GT4 diary of me trying to complete this mission. Then on day 45 he said You Have Placed 1st!

So, for all those still trying, just keep on replaying over and over again. Took me 2 and a half weeks. 45 attempts x approx 10 minutes each attempt = 7.5 hours to complete this mission

As for waiting the 2 minutes at the start, I found that channel surfing was much more fun than watching the timer count down. Except for when I went back to the game and my car had rolled backwards down the hill and into the barrier at the last corner!

 

[FastEddie12]

Seems the biggest deal will be to learn how to cope with the SLR's weight and more power, not so much the track then.. The EVOII has a very balanced mix between power and grip, a joy to drive.

This question could seem a bit pointless since it's just to give it a go, but I'm saving this gem for a while..

If you want to learn the 'Ring, then do A14 and A16. These involve 2 of the more difficult sections of the track, and to gold them you have to be spot on. Plus they're on 'comfort' tyres which means they're not far off the SLR experience in many ways. I find you're always up against the track, but maybe that's just my way of looking at it.

 

[Dr_Watson]

I love GT4 because of the realism, but IMHO this mission is unrealistic whether you cheat or not.

well, if veil can do a 9-flat it's not entirely unreasonable to ask for a 9'12
the only thing I disaggree with as far is this mission is concerned is the 223 seconds of staring at the ceiling.
the challenge is actually something GT needs more of.
they seem to have made the game easier over the years, the golds in Gt2 were alot more difficult than the last two games.
but then, the prize cars are befitting of the weak difficulty. IIRC Gt2 gave a TSO20 for golding the 's' license... gt4 being significantly easier, yields a completely useless model-T. *shrug*

 

[Greycap]

Dr_Watson, has it crossed your mind that your driving skills have improved over the years? The S-licences of GT3 seemed impossible to gold at first, but two years later I golded them all in one sitting.

 

[Diego440]

I just finished Mission 34 in 1st place after my Nth attempt. Actually, I mowed the lawn twice, once because I had already lost control and more or less was shoved into the grass, and second when I was passing the first car you pass (some AMG model), he slammed into me when braking for the curve previous to the Karrussel. So anyway, I was having quite a hard time finding the good braking points and all that... the best I could do was about 3.6 seconds behind the 300SL, and most of the time I was finishing third. However, after watching daan's replay, I found some good braking points and where it was possible to ride the kerb. I managed to finish the mission 3.65 seconds faster than the 300SL, and on the first try after watching said video

 

[Dr_Watson]

Dr_Watson, has it crossed your mind that your driving skills have improved over the years? The S-licences of GT3 seemed impossible to gold at first, but two years later I golded them all in one sitting.

well.... that could be true.
But Gt3 did have the easiest tests of the whole lot IMO.
I remember golding all the gt3 tests the first day i had it... but of course gt3 is my least favorite of the whole series, which is why i sold the game after playing it for only a month.

 

[Diego440]

well.... that could be true.
But Gt3 did have the easiest tests of the whole lot IMO.
I remember golding all the gt3 tests the first day i had it... but of course gt3 is my least favorite of the whole series, which is why i sold the game after playing it for only a month.

People in Buffalo are weird

 

[G-T-4-Fan]

And the developers at PD shall die horrible deaths for putting in that dog-danged 2 minute wait.

Grr!

ROGER THAT, but damn.....I thought this teste was very easy, I always drive the nurenburg, I drifted it completely (offcourse not EVERY freak turn, but pretty much, yes)

I though it was easy. I always get gold liscences when a liscence is on the nurb, in....well lets say 2 tries.

Edit: Heck, I spon out on my first try after the long straight. But I was pretty close.
Use the 5 till 10 hours to learn drifting a car on the nurb, I think that'll increase your control dramatically.

and buy Pal, and a freakin DFP!!!!

EDIT 2! Ok I've now seen ALL comments...and I should be more carefull with saying it can be done. I'm affraid I was just lucky. I did drift a whole corner, with amazing control lolz. But....ehm well the Merc needs early braking and it's pretty grippy if you do so. Early braking, and after that there's no problem accelerating full throttle out of any corner.

It's also said that it understeers alot. For that, again early braking helps, and if you still enter the corner too fast, try to brake minimal and mostly letting off throttle. That will oversteer your car *lifting off*

Thats about all.

 

[Richard N.]

Hi everyone,

I've been lurking since March, and reading all your tips on GT4 and Mission 34 in particular.

So for my first post, I'd like to say I've just beaten mission 34 by 4 seconds (PAL). It only took a couple of (not very intensive) months to do.

My tips for anyone else? Learn the course, and break earlier than you think necessary - Oh, and drive fast wherever possible

 

[G-T-4-Fan]

OMG it took me 3 tries I did it 2 days ago, forgot to post it up. It's not that difficult if you learn the track, and allow yourself to brake early.
Also, dont make any rush mistakes, cause a no mistake lap is always best, thats why I again say: ALLOW YOURSELF TO TAKE THE TIME

 

[daan]

It only took a couple of (not very intensive) months to do.

OMG it took me 3 tries

Yes, as has been pointed out many times, this mission is much easier for PAL people. The NTSC guys have a much harder time of it.

 

[easty]

It's ok for some of you to keep saying how easy this is. Not for us all. Personally, as a circuit, I love the Nurby. It's a long, challenging track. I've driven it so much I don't think I can 'learn the track' any more than I have.
As for early braking, I was always taught in real life racing, to breake in a straight line, turn in for the apex under power But with no acceleration) then drop the hammer at the apex.
This has worked great on GT4 up until now.
I'm not a great fan of the SLR anyway (too heavy, poor brakes and handling) but with these crappy tyres it's just an absolute nightmare.
ps. The waiting to start drives me insane too.

 

[FastEddie12]

**Ahem**

Note to PAL users: Read this ENTIRE THREAD before you post ANYTHING here. You coming in here and saying "this mission isn't hard, i beat it in [enter single-digit number of attempts here]" is like walking into an Alcoholics Anonymous meeting with a beer and saying "Man, this beer is delicious! It's a good thing I can stop whenever I want, becuase otherwise, I might drink 12 of these!"

Did you win by 13 seconds? If not, you weren't fast enough to beat the NTSC version. Read back through this thread. The differences between the PAL and NTSC versions are well documented. My comment "M34 is the toughest challenge in the game, especially for the NTSC version" was directed at someone in Virginia, who will have the same problems with this mission that all of us North Americans had.

And I golded IA-16 in three tries.

 

[Greycap]

I still don't understand why no one takes the physics differences between the PAL and NTSC versions into account. It is a known thing that the physics engines are different so why is it so hard to admit that that may be reason to the time difference?

Flaming is coming, but I don't care.

 

[Lotrzyna]

The Gullwing finishes in 9:13, and there is a 2:03 wait at the start.

Edit: That's 9:13 plus or minus one second. It is indeed infuriating when you pull off a perfect lap, finish less than one second back, only to find the Gullwing finished in 9:12.

Ok so - if it finishes 3 sek earlier than PAL car and waiting is (as far as i rember) 3 sec longer- so PAL drivers should wait at least 6sec more after start and finish at first place to be able to say that they finished NTSC version - am i right ??
Personaly i have finished M34 some time ago, my best PAL lap was 9'12~~ now im out of this combo ... but - i waned to ask the question that "kylehnat" already answered - how much time should PAL driver wait after word "START" to by shure that they made NTSC ver. of that mission ? - i personaly wait 10 sec and than try to do it - so far i didnt made it (few sec. after SL300) but it seams that only 6 sec of waiting with heand break is OK ??
Can somebody please clear my doubts ?

Anyway personaly i think that the way to make that misssion a easy one is just to stick to it - drive thru Nurb with many cars - on hard tyres - than drive thru it with SLR on hard tyres -> try to make as fast lap as it possible and it should be enough to pass M34 with ease

EDIT: Im of course talking about times completely clear to OLR - no chits, 2 wheels on the track at all the time, no AI contact etc... - and for guys that are frustrated with this combo -> i also have been frustrated -> the metod is just break EARLIER than you think that you should break...

And about physics of NTSC and PAL versions -> 10 sec of waiting is the only way for me to make PAL race closer to the NTSC one cos i cant afford PAL and NTSc ver and my console runs only PAL games...

WOW 8"57,~~ hmm that really will be hard - I would like to see a video of that lap - is that guy from GTP or some other forum ???

 

[Dr_Watson]

Ok so - if it finishes 3 sek earlier than PAL car and waiting is (as far as i rember) 3 sec longer- so PAL drivers should wait at least 6sec more after start and finish at first place to be able to say that they finished NTSC version - am i right ??

It's all spelled out earlier in the thread... within the first 2 pages or so.
its a 12 second gap.

I still don't understand why no one takes the physics differences between the PAL and NTSC versions into account. It is a known thing that the physics engines are different so why is it so hard to admit that that may be reason to the time difference?

because its complete b.s.
if the physics were so different, how is it that every week in the WRS a mix of pal and NTSC drivers manage to finish within a few tenths of eachother?
this week the top 3 (two ntsc and 1 pal user) were less than .04 between them.
the physics are not different, they never have been in any of the other GT games and never will be in future games. Your TV running at a lower refresh and frame rate will not create a different experience.
My guess is that PD thought perhaps the mission was a wee bit too difficult, so they changed it for the euro release. (aka, the last one in development)

 

[Greycap]

OK, I admit it might be b.s.

And I would be ready to drive 12 seconds faster if I got the Mini...

 

[Specialized]

OK, I admit it might be b.s.

Actually graycap i think it might not be B.S. i was reading another thread on here, sorry cant remember wich one, but it said about the clockspeeds actually being different on the NSTC and PAL versions, the conclusion was somehting like mission 34 was just as hard in either version and that it is actually the clock wich differed.
Then again this may be B.S

 

[ls2_297]

i finally finished M34.... was pal though.. so no real accomplishment... managed a 9'06.3xx, dno if that would have done the job on NTSC but oh well.....same as everybody, my quick tip, SLOW IN, FAST OUT! really helps at the nurb 👍

 

[Kylehnat]

Actually graycap i think it might not be B.S. i was reading another thread on here, sorry cant remember wich one, but it said about the clockspeeds actually being different on the NSTC and PAL versions, the conclusion was somehting like mission 34 was just as hard in either version and that it is actually the clock wich differed.
Then again this may be B.S

It can't just be a clock thing. I watched daan's video (PAL version, look back up through the thread; it's posted somewhere) and he was able to be way more conservative. A lot of his cornering speeds were much much lower than what is necessary to beat the NTSC version. The point: the run looked much more relaxed and easier. The lap time seemed to be about 7:20. I'll go back with a stopwatch to check that, but it doesn't seem reasonable that the difference is due to clock speeds. It can't be that the physics are completely different in the two versions either, because as someone mentioned earlier, PAL and NTSC users can enter challenges with each other and come up with comparable times.

 

[jedi09]

Yeah, it is pretty hard, but not the hardest of the missions.

what do you think is harder than this. all the other ones took me at most 5 tries to beat.

 

[Uncle Harry]

I remember that in GT3 the NTSC version gold time for the last S license test was the silver time for GT3 Pal version.
All the NTSC users said how easy that test was and as a result PD raised the level for PAL.
This time they set the level too high for Mission 34 in the NTSC version and lowered it for the PAL version.
Has anyone actually passed both versions of mission 34 ?
Maybe the car set up is different for both versions.
Somebody said the cornering speeds seemed slower for the PAL version. Could this be car set up differences between two versions of the game.

 

[jedi09]

some of you guys mentioned wall riding/ lawn mowing. where in the 'Ring can you do these cleanly?

 

[jedi09]

i dont mean to be a post whore but does the dfp make this mission a lot easier. Im using the standard ps2 controller

 

[Kylehnat]

It's really hard to say. Someone posted in here that they had passed both versions, but didn't really offer a comparison. I would wager that the setup is the same for both versions, becuase a lot of PAL users have said that it didn't take them too long to beat the mission (some absolutely bewildered that we can't beat the mission in 3 tries), while most NTSC users require far more attempts, often taking months to finally pass. I doubt it is because all of the GT masters live in PAL regions, and us NTSC users aren't up to par. I cannot call myself the best GT4 player in the world, but I am pretty damn good, and I can say that this mission is far and away the most difficult challenge I have ever faced in 13 years of playing racing games.

As for the GT3 Monaco test, it didn't take long to get well below the gold time, so I'd guess that while the time requirements differ between versions, the car setup probably doesn't.

 

[Alavilla]

About the physics:
I believe that the physics don't differ much in PAL and NTSC version of GT4. At least I haven't seen any mention about it anywhere. Years ago I had a short discussion with a person at Sony (technical help desk person or something like that, can't remember anymore) about the last license test in GT3 where NTSC had slower gold time. The person told me that the physics of PAL and NTSC versions in GT3 were different and that's the reason why they had to make NTSC time slower. He also said that those two versions are so different that they shouldn't be compared at all. Not even today I'm not sure if he knew it right.


PAL time good enough to win NTSC?
Just subtract 8 seconds from the NTSC winning time:
9:12 - 8 seconds = 9:04
9:13 - 8 seconds = 9:05

Getting down to 9:04 or below needs a lot more work in PAL. That also stands for the assumption of the same level of the physics.

The AI cars are still in different places (when they are overtaken) when you do 9:04 in PAL than they are in NTSC with 9:12 time. So to be on the safe side you better make it to 9:03's as I did.


DS2 ot DF Pro:
If you have used the wheel for a long time (and not used the pad at all) then it's better than the pad. But if you are new to the wheel and you are an experienced pad player the it's the pad. The use of the pedals is the thing which takes longer time to get used. Also the buttons and the stick of the pad can be used much faster than the the pedals or the wheel of DF Pro. That might give some advantage to the pad user. The wheel is more accurate on the other hand.

I used DF Pro.