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[Skip7950]

I had practised on international track, but still good race though. Made some mistakes, so lost some places. Least we didn't have damage on, which is so much better, we can compete the race.

Welcome back If.

Yes, welcome If!
I was so disappointed Monday..started race well, was tucked right behind Sick after a few cars spun early, then right before McClean's corner I got RF tire just off in the grass and that threw me across the track into the grass and gravel!By the time I recovered, all had passed me and I was last again by a mile...
John, I drove very hard for a few laps trying to catch you but just when I got close I over rotated and spun around again long enough to become very lonely back there! At least until the leaders caught up and my race became one of survival and getting out of the way as best I could. Very clean race though, no contact that I know of with anyone....and loads of fun. What a cool car to drive! To me only surpassed by the Lotus 49 for pure driving pleasure. The only cars I ever purposefully drive in cockpit view are the open wheelers...
Any of you with no seat time at Bannochbrea needs to find time to practice lot. Very tricky and challenging course!

 

[John Wells]

I the same thing, later on in the race at McClean's, so you weren't alone Skip.

Should a very good race on Monday at Bannochbrea:tup:

 

[John Wells]

 

[Sick Cylinder]

I had practised on international track.

Many apologies for the wrong track name - I meant the GP track.

Thank you to everyone who has been posting test times - I will be looking at all of these soon.

The BMW and Merc will be a great match-up despite their completely different characters. On tighter circuits the BMW's agility should give it the edge, as Oulton shows, but fast circuits should favour the Merc. With the right combination of tracks it could make the championship really interesting!

We did a BMW v Merc series on PC1 so this time it will be a bit different, with those two cars in one class and a faster car for slower drivers in another class. The Escort sadly is too slow to use in a multi-class event with the other cars, but I am currently planning a seperate Escort series. If people could test the race version v the road version - that might be a possibility.

Monday was on but Wednesday is off. With it being valentines day Sick must have a romantic evening planned. He'd better hope the wife doesn't find out though.

Yes - Mrs Cylinder and I went out for a meal last night. For 2018 I decided to build days off into the programme for family birthdays, anniversaries and Valentines day as well as Christmas - in the past I have come in for a bit of stick for putting the racing first before family events. My Wife and family don't understand my hobby, but thankfully they do tolerate it.

Why we will use Bonnachbrae instead of real Monaco track?

The real Monaco is not in the game and I really dislike the fictional version which SMS have put in. Bannochbrae is a great track reminiscent of some of the street circuits used in the past and it is particularly well suited to the Lotus 25.

I have posted the points table on page 1 as usual. I noticed that Harsk picked up a 3 second penalty and the game therefore listed him as finishing behind Richroo and myself.

I thought it would be fun for this series to post results of the races which we are replicating so that you can see which drivers achieved the same position in 1965. The table is shaded in the colour of the country of manufacture - green. In 1965 almost all the cars were made in the UK. As usual the drivers finishing towards the back had inferior cars - John Rhodes, John Cardwell and Rodney Bloor achieving wonders with cars powered by modified four cylinder Ford 109E road car engines - the other drivers having the advantage of thoroughbred V8 racing engines from Coventry Climax or BRM.

 

[IBZ6L20VT]

Here's my lap at Brannochbrae with the Lotus 25. 2:40.460 with plenty of time to gain.



Please be aware that this was my third lap on either this car or track so it’s far from being perfect. However it is good to get an idea on how to drive this car.

You can carry a lot of speed into the corners. The fastest approach is about to get the exit right. The car is (very) easy to correct so you can overcook it and still make the corner without losing too much time.

I would recommend braking early and get the car pointing into the apex. You can use the brakes to rotate the car.

In general is a lot of fun. Great car. Also is amazing to see all the details of the moving parts. Great job by SMS.

 

[IfAndOr]

Also is amazing to see all the details of the moving parts.

Yes it is. I've crashed a couple of time because I was watching everything moving about instead of looking where I was going. The external view is good too.
When I wasn't looking at the jiggling brake pipes I've managed a 2:39 so far.

 

[joedakiss]

Yes it is. I've crashed a couple of time because I was watching everything moving about instead of looking where I was going. The external view is good too.
When I wasn't looking at the jiggling brake pipes I've managed a 2:39 so far.

Same, I was mesmerised by @Sick Cylinder’s axle shafts while I was on his tail at Donington!

 

[IfAndOr]

Sick's rear end is always something to behold.

 

[Sick Cylinder]

Yesterday I went to the London Classic Car Show Incorporating Historic Motorsport International and saw some incredible cars. Here are a few shots of my favourite Ferrari's:

PS don't forget to download the game update before the next race - allow plenty of time as it is a big one!

 

[IBZ6L20VT]

If people could test the race version v the road version - that might be a possibility.

As I was late to the previous testing party I decided to give these two a go.

Oulton Park International, same time and conditions, stock tune, 24 litres of fuel and 5 laps.

Road version: 2:03.434
Racing version: 1:55.564

The road version is much easier to drive fast and to find its limits.

The racing version is trickier at the limit and require more finesse. With a little more practice I could shave another second from my time.

 

[Sick Cylinder]

A few more snaps from the show. The white Mark 1 saloon is incredibly historic - it was prepared in Mike Hawthorns garage and has been raced by three generations from the same family!

Tomorrow my favourite Porsche's.

 

[John Wells]

Take care on this challenging track, all have a good race.

 

[AndreasR]

Results from Bannochbrae

Sorry again to all I bumped

 

[John Wells]

What an excellent race, we had with If, what happened at the start? It really was a challenge, seeing who could the bravest, those twisting pieces of track, for the 30 min. I lost out on the final turn, crashing out at last lap. We had also having a good fight with the Al, getting passed them.

 

[Napalm_LT]

It was my first race on this track. Did 1 h practice on Sunday, had 2 clean laps
Yesterday it went better.

You were right @Sick Cylinder - it is a superb track for historic cars

 

[Sick Cylinder]

I'll post up the results tomorrow guys. Here are the first batch of Porsche pictures from Saturday's show as promised:

Below some gorgeous 911's - I am really looking forward to the Porsche DLC Pack which will include a 2.8 Carrera RSR which will look similar to some of these.

Above fabulous 356's - the paint finish on these beauties was absolutely stunning - my camera hasn't done them justice - the number 56 was white with lighter green than the picture shows. I wasn't familiar with the history of the blue one until the show - that is a 1960 Porsche 356B Carrera Abarth GTL. Porsche wanted to increase the competitiveness of the 356 in GT racing - a new body was designed by Scaglione and 20 lightweight chassis fitted with four cam racing engines were clothed in the new body which featured a 15% reduction in frontal area and 45kg weight reduction. This example was campaigned by the Porsche factory in 1960 coming 4th in the Tour de France, 6th on the Targa Florio and 10th in the Nurburgring 1000km. It was restored to the colours of the French team which ran the car in 1961.

 

[IfAndOr]

The exhaust on th Abarth made me smile. It looks like someone ordered the wrong part. "It's ok we'll make it fit"

What's the orange car next to it Sick? It looks a bit like a Lambouhghini Murai.

 

[Tavilha]

As you'll see in the videos, I'm to blame for yesterday's massive wreckage at the start...



I'm truly sorry

 

[John Wells]

Well it could have been worse Tavilha, if we had full damage, most of us would have been out.

Thankfully we didn't.

 

[IfAndOr]

That's very true John, there would have been lots of wheels bouncing down the road. In fact they would have probably got further than the cars.

Don't worry @Tavilha these things happen and the little Lotus does like to fly at the slightest touch. We all brushed ourselves down got the cars pointing in the right direction and carried on. And in my case managed to crash a couple more times without any further assistance.

 

[AndreasR]

In my eyes the main reason of this all was the overtaking of richroo getting in front of you breaking - not that this move wouldn´t be a correct one - but as most of us are nonprofessional drivers and especially with open wheelers it is very difficult to avoid not to hit him like Tavilha did.

This incident brings me back to my previously mentioned "no overtaking in the first sector after start".

I think that this would solve so many problems that we had so far with start crashes - and thinking of the next races at Spa (eau rouge) and Nürburgring GP.....

Of course we could try rolling start as well - but only if the problems of the AI behaviour are solved. Reminding of start from the grass because Ai drove it there right of the beginning of the race - or getting punished for AI caused crashes.

I plead for "no overtaking in the first sector after start" as a fixed rule to stop those risky moves right after starting.

Cheers

PS: I would like to be more focussed on 30min of racing rather then beeing able to have a tremendous start

 

[John Wells]

I watching the reply, too take photos, something very strange has happened. There are no drivers in the car, so try again later...

 

[IfAndOr]

It is true that drivers do tend to get a bit over excited at the start and "go for it". Although I suppose that's the point of qualifying in that you hopefully start near the front and also hopefully get a "jump" on your fellow competitors. The trouble is in the virtual world we haven't got full spatial awareness.

I would like to be more focussed on 30min of racing rather then being able to have a tremendous start

Yes indeed. It's actually why at times I don't set a qualifying time and start from the back.
Plus I'm usually rubbish at starting.

no overtaking in the first sector after start

Could work. A bit like a rolling start without it being a rolling start. Although everyone would need to adhere to this and also agree on what is the first sector


Reading though the various patch notes it would seem that the AI behaviour has been supposedly improved. Perhaps rolling starts could be trialled again.

Alternately, since there's usually quite a good turnout of Racers, perhaps we could do away with the AI - which seem to be the limiting factor for rolling starts.

 

[AndreasR]

Alternately, since there's usually quite a good turnout of Racers, perhaps we could do away with the AI - which seem to be the limiting factor for rolling starts.

The point is the AI has control of your car until a there is a handover just before the starting line. This you can´t solve by excluding the AI drivers.

I agree of course that it should be tried out.

Oh about the first sector: I meant the timing sector. There you have an video and audio signal, first sector time.

 

[Napalm_LT]

I watching the reply, too take photos, something very strange has happened. There are no drivers in the car, so try again later...

Possibly that was the reason of all these crashes

The point is the AI has control of your car until a there is a handover just before the starting line. This you can´t solve by excluding the AI drivers.

I agree of course that it should be tried out.

Oh about the first sector: I meant the timing sector. There you have an video and audio signal, first sector time.

I would agree do that if others also do the same, because you will loose positions to others

 

[IfAndOr]

the AI has control of your car until a there is a handover

Ah, I see what you mean. And they used to cause crashes! A bit of poor programming there. Perhaps that has been improved with the updates.

I meant the timing sector.

Got you. 👍
So yes it would be like a self policed rolling start with the leader controlling the pace.

"There are no drivers in the car" - Possibly that was the reason of all these crashes

 

[IBZ6L20VT]

What's the orange car next to it Sick? It looks a bit like a Lambouhghini Murai.

I would say Miura as well.

The exhaust on th Abarth made me smile. It looks like someone ordered the wrong part. "It's ok we'll make it fit"

That's the magic mix of German engineering with Italian craftsmanship...

the paint finish on these beauties was absolutely stunning -

Detailing is one of my hobbies and the best paint finish I have ever seen was on the cars of the Porsche Museum, Stuttgart.

I plead for "no overtaking in the first sector after start" as a fixed rule to stop those risky moves right after starting.

I for one don't really like the idea. First movements are part of the huge excitement of the race. Getting your start right and getting alongside another driver into the first corner is a truly great pleasure.

We are well known to each other and there are no dirty drivers among us. each accident is the result of a miscalculation and there is never intention of harming behind it.

We all should just be more careful and leave enough room for the variables we don't control.

 

[AndreasR]

I would agree do that if others also do the same, because you will loose positions to others

No positions to loose, because overtaking is not allowed. If you do overtaking you´ll get a penalty ( maybe 20 sec) afterwards and you´ll may loose positions then.

I for one don't really like the idea. First movements are part of the huge excitement of the race. Getting your start right and getting alongside another driver into the first corner is a truly great pleasure.

We are well known to each other and there are no dirty drivers among us. each accident is the result of a miscalculation and there is never intention of harming behind it.

We all should just be more careful and leave enough room for the variables we don't control.

I understand your point of view but I saw this as an alternative starting method to replace the rolling start of the game. The rolling start is used also in reality to prevent crashes at start or at long distance races. It is better for sprint races to give an extra thrill.

I didn´t talk about dirty driving.

Cheers

 

[Napalm_LT]

I for one don't really like the idea. First movements are part of the huge excitement of the race. Getting your start right and getting alongside another driver into the first corner is a truly great pleasure.

We are well known to each other and there are no dirty drivers among us. each accident is the result of a miscalculation and there is never intention of harming behind it.

We all should just be more careful and leave enough room for the variables we don't control.

Yes, start is one of the most interesting parts in racing. I think our main problem is limited visibility in the sides. If only we could have triple monitor setup

 

[IBZ6L20VT]

No positions to loose, because overtaking is not allowed. If you do overtaking you´ll get a penalty ( maybe 20 sec) afterwards and you´ll may loose positions then.



I understand your point of view but I saw this as an alternative starting method to replace the rolling start of the game. The rolling start is used also in reality to prevent crashes at start or at long distance races. It is better for sprint races to give an extra thrill.

I didn´t talk about dirty driving.

Cheers

My point was that in the event of an accident, it generally would be caused by a misjudgement from one of us, not a deliberate action.

I think it’s a case of being extra careful. As @Napalm_LT pointed out, visibility is quite limited and the spotter/arrows are far from being perfect. If accidents are frequent we need to revise our own driving and think if we should allow even more room for the unpredictable.

I just wanted to give another point of view. My point being that accidents are part of racing and in the first corners is where I personally get most of the rush.