Most Useless Things in GT4

[TheCracker]

Back on topic :
The most useless things IMO are all these animations like the guy who changes oil, or all the messages on which you have to click while buying new cars or parts or entering races. You can't decently fully upgrade a car in less than 5 minutes, and I wish it were only taking 30 secs.

This is something thats always irked me with the GT series, so many button clicks to do anything - replace them with tickable boxes instead of the:

Would you like to purchase this item yes/no? > Are you sure yes/no? > Are you really, really sure yes/no? > Do you want to fit this item now yes/no? > Are you sure you want to fit this item yes/no? etc etc etc

The car wash is pointless too, it hardly makes any noticable difference.

The oil change should be a tick box in the 'Set-up Changes' section and without the animation please.

 

[Master_Yoda]

The fact that they have about 7 different race versions of the skyline, supra and other Japanese cars. Oh, and some cars cost WAY too much.

lol.... Money is the easiest thing. The only thing i don't like about GT4, is that i want bigger race with more cars.

 

[Barracuda]

i think dirtying your car is useless. as you all hopefully know if you race a car for a LONG time without washing it the paint loses its shine and you start to see darker areas around the bottom and wheel wells of the car. if you didnt have that the car wash would be pointless so i say take both out.

 

[FoolKiller]

Nos. i never really used it and theres no good place to use it other than the 400m.

old japanese cars. i assume because it was made in japan they have alot of old japanese cars but theyre all useless. they have every version of old skyline, who the hell needs those. the real performance is in the newer ones. and a million little honda pos's to. no weight but no power. and im not just hating on japanese cars becasue i love american cars but if they had a new superbird then that would be the better choice. its just who the hell has even heard of the older japanese cars except REAl enthusiasts

I am guessing, from the way this sounds, that you like to over-power your cars and win by huge distances.

You only use the Nos on the 400m? Have you never found yourself just barely making the pass as the finish line comes up? I try to actually race against the competition and have my car equal to them. It feels satisfying to know I out-drove them instead of out-powered them, otherwise I might as well just do practice runs. However, every now and then I find myself in such a close call that my will gives in and hit the button for that second of boost I need. It makes me feel cheap and I usually go back to race again and win fairly, but I hate that feeling of not knowing if I can make it, especially when my wife is sitting behind me telling me I am going to lose.

That is where the older Japanese cars (or any of the small, lightweight, underpowered cars for that matter) come in. I race them all the time because, while it might be a "snail" race, it is a close race and a battle of skill, not power. It is these kinds of races that make me want to go and practice over and over to get the perfect line and the perfect settings. I'll even use these cars to slowly drive tracks and learn all the best points to nail down the perfect line and then try it in a performance vehicle at high speed.

As for not knowing some of those cars, I didn't until I began playing GT and now I know them and klnoiw which ones are a gem in the rough and which ones might as well be forgotten or driven as a joke. I can't remember the number of times I have won a car and thought to myself, "What's this POS?" Then I take it out and drive it (typically with a new suspension) and find it is a smooth driving machine that is fun, depite it's lack of power.

Plus, you have to realize that the Japanese audience does know what all those old Japanese cars are, just like you know what a Pinto or a Nova are.

 

[vectradriver]

There wasn't enough influential European used cars though. As for the American cars, well without being confrontational, the abilities of US cars are far behind EU and Nippon vehicles. Hence fewer to choose from that are worthy of being raced.

 

[noobie 4 ever]

3 words 5 second penalities
I hate them so much!

yes...........it gets frustrating after a while when the AI puts you in the wall and it gives you a penalty. Or when the AI crash INTO you and you get the 5 seconds of horror

 

[samj_13]

There wasn't enough influential European used cars though. As for the American cars, well without being confrontational, the abilities of US cars are far behind EU and Nippon vehicles. Hence fewer to choose from that are worthy of being raced.

I agree in part with that. The US selection has too few race cars to choose from, and here they are:

Chapparal 2D and 2J, Chvey Camaro LM Race Car, Chevy Corvette Z06 Race Car (C2), Chevy Corvetter C5R, Dodge Viper GTS-R Team ORECA, Ford Escort Rally Car, Ford Focus Rally Car, Ford GT LM Race Car, Ford GT LM Race Car Spec II, Ford GT40 Race Car, Ford RS200 Rally Car, Panoz Esparante GTR-1 Race Car (13 total, 11 without rallies)

while the European selection of race cars is:
Gillet Vertigo Race Car, Citroen Xsara Rally Car, Pescy Courage C60/PEUGEOT Race car, Pescy C60 Judd Race car, Renault 5 Maxi Turbo Rally Car, Renault Clio Sport Trophy Race Car, Audi Abt TT-R Touring Car, Audi A4 Touring Car, Audi R8 Race Car, BMW 320i Touring Car, BMW M3 GTR Race Car, BMW McLaren F1 GTR Race Car, BMW V12 LMR Race Car, Mercedes 190 E 2.5-16 Evo II Touring Car, Mercedes CLK-GTR Race Car, Sauber Mercedes C9 Race Car, Mercedes CLK DTM, Opel/Vauxhall Astra Touring Car, Opel/Vauxhall Calibra Touring Car, VW Lupo Cup Car, VW Lupo GTI Cup Car, VW New Beetle Cup Car, Alfa Romeo 155 2.5 V6 TI Race Car, Lancia Delta HF Integrale Rally Car, Lancia Delta S4 Rally Car, Lancia STRATOS Rally Car, Pagani Zonda LM Race Car, Bentley Speed 8 Race Car, Jaguar XJ220 LM Race Car, Lister Storm V12 Race Car, Lotus Motor Sport Elise (31 total, 26 without rallies.

As you see, Europe has more than twice as many race cars in the game, and 13 times as many rally cars in the game than the USA. I didn't bother with road cars or Japanese cars because I would have been here all day.

EDIT: How can you say that US cars are "far behind the abilities of EU and Nippon vehicles"? American automobile are just as capable as European and Japanese cars and trucks. I don't know what you are referring to, but if its power, the Viper has plenty for everyone. If it's cornering, the Corvette Z06 can do as well as any European coupe or Japanese Coupe. The Corvette can be driven day to day as well, so it has great reliability. The 300C is an excellent sedan that has great power if you bump it up to the SRT8. In short, you are wrong that American cars are inferior to European cars and Japanese cars.

 

[GEMu]

photomode. Seriously, whats the point?

I would say the hundreds of variations of Skylines, I think 5 of each generation is enough-- Mine's, TommyKaira, GTR, Not GTR, and Race.

agree and disagree with you

I love photomode , when I race too much or finished EduranceHall I always take a photo for rest .

agree with Tons of GT-R , NSX etc. 5 of them just enough . PD made it a lot because they can said "We got 700cars" !

 

[Duke]

I agree, if EVERY car was instantly available to everyone in arcade mode then nobody would play gt mode, since the main point of the game is to unlock and buy new cars to drive and try out.

I have no interest in Arcade mode, at all, for its own sake. I would play GT mode exclusively. With Arcade mode there is no way to make all the settings adjustments and modifications you can in GT mode; that alone would keep me playing GT mode.

What reason is there to play Arcade mode except that you could have access to cars you haven't won, bought, or unlocked yet? There's nothing in Arcade that you can't do in GT mode.

And so I agree that all Arcade cars should definitely be unlocked from the beginning of the game, for a couple reasons:

• When you buy a car, the game instantly autosaves as soon as you get into it. Then you find out you hate the car - but you've wasted the cash, and you're stuck with the car. Arcade mode should be a way to test drive any car as a preview before you make a blind purchase you'll regret.
• OLR such as the Weekly Race Series frequently calls for cars I don't own. So if I want to compete in that, sometimes I have to earn money or run a 5-race series just to get the specified car for the OLR event... while other people are spending that time actually practicing the given combination. You should be able to jump right into any car and any track in Arcade mode without having to unlock anything in GT Mode. I've had to BUY expensive cars for my garage that I will never drive again, just to get access to them in ARCADE mode for a given OLR race. Stupid stupid stupid.

There wasn't enough influential European used cars though. As for the American cars, well without being confrontational, the abilities of US cars are far behind EU and Nippon vehicles. Hence fewer to choose from that are worthy of being raced.

Spoken like a true tuner fanboy who's never sat behind an actual steering wheel in his life. Kindly learn something of what you're talking about before spouting further drivel like this.

 

[Barracuda]

I am guessing, from the way this sounds, that you like to over-power your cars and win by huge distances.

not really. i actually dont race either, i drift alot. but when i do want to drive i find a pretty good used car with around 200-300hp put suspension, brakes, and racing tires, maybe some special rims then go around that huge track. ( sry dont know what its called. think it nurburg or something) but the variaions of japanese cars are insane. i spent a day finding all the regular versions of evo, wrx, and skyline. there are 14 sti's ranging from 94-04. 14 evo's ranging from 92-04 and 27 skylines not counting the classic ones ranging from 89-02. and not including the new ugly ones. G35 looks way better. and i didnt include rally or race cars.

When you buy a car, the game instantly autosaves as soon as you get into it. Then you find out you hate the car - but you've wasted the cash, and you're stuck with the car. Arcade mode should be a way to test drive any car as a preview before you make a blind purchase you'll regret.
sry it wouldnt quote for me^

thats what i thought about back when gt2 first came out. i wasnt that skilled back then and was actually afraid to go race big races so all i did was high speed ring and raised my money $1000 at a time. i wanted to be able to test drive the big cars that i would never be able to get but it would work for a test drive before purchase too.

 

[FoolKiller]

When you buy a car, the game instantly autosaves as soon as you get into it. Then you find out you hate the car - but you've wasted the cash, and you're stuck with the car.

I think you just struck upon the true problem. Someone needs to get rid of that goram autosave feature. It would be nice if it worked in a way that a power outage or something didn't cause you to lose your progress, but that just causes a total loss of data. It actually serves no purpose other than to be annoying and to prevent you from testing out cars.

I know how successful the C5 and C6R have been and still are, but the vast majority of American cars do not deserve to be included, hence the lack of American cars in-game.

American versus European cars aside, but since when did the in-game cars get determined by what deserved to be in it? If I recall the ultimate goal of the GT series was to be an encyclopedia of cars, not a collection of cars that deserve to be shown off.

Going from that then it is easy to say that American cars are very under-represented. Imagine an encylcopedia that just leaves out entire statistics and topics about a region of the world. It is not complete and doesn't reach it's ultimate goal. You can say the same about GT when they leave out tons of good American cars. If they are going to have a long list of small or unnecessary Japanese and European cars then they should also have an equally "useless" list of American cars.

Me and this forum are finished. Good bye all.

Wait, does this mean this thread, the GT4 forum, or GTPlanet in general?

 

[Mx²]

Most useless is having so many versions of the same car. Who cares about having a M-Spec, M-Spec Nur, M-Spec V-Spec II etc.

Those penalties are pretty annoying aswell.

 

[Thundercat]

I have no interest in Arcade mode, at all, for its own sake. I would play GT mode exclusively. With Arcade mode there is no way to make all the settings adjustments and modifications you can in GT mode; that alone would keep me playing GT mode.

What reason is there to play Arcade mode except that you could have access to cars you haven't won, bought, or unlocked yet? There's nothing in Arcade that you can't do in GT mode.

Spoken like a true tuner fanboy who's never sat behind an actual steering wheel in his life. Kindly learn something of what you're talking about before spouting further drivel like this.

I have to respectfully disagree with you on Arcade Mode, Duke. I get a tremendous amount of enjoyment racing out of Arcade Mode. Why? Main reason that I get to select the number of laps I run and the difficulty of my competition. For some reason, 5 to 10 lap races just don't do it for me. They can be fun, but where's the challenge? And to be honest, GT mode has too many races set below 5 laps. Yeah, there's the Endurance Hall--I'll get to that later . . .
Arcade Mode allows me to get in my Mustang GT and race 45 to 50 laps in Suzuka or the Motegi Oval agianst other American cars such as Corvettes, GTO's and Camaro's. I set the difficulty level to 10, set tire wear to 'fast' and activate "Forced Pit Entry" to keep me from "wall-riding" and smashing into other cars like an idiot. I have to drive a clean, perfect race, for 45 minutes ot an hour or more. You can't do that in any other mode in Gran Turismo. You can do some of those things, but not all at the same time.
In the Endurance Hall I have to race a specific car with appropriate horsepower or I'm gonna get smoked by some random R89C (or whatever those superfast Nissans are called). And you don't have to race cleanly--you can bump-draft all you want. You can race like Tony Stewart and Takuma Sato wrapped into one.

Yeah, I agree that you can't tune your car the way you can in GT mode. This is Arcade Mode's burning weakness . . . then again, sometimes tuning a car for me is simply a matter of changing the tires. Going to mediums to super-hards, or trying out the softs for a few laps.
And I agree that you should be able to test drive a car in Arcade Mode--except the F1 cars and a few of the other high-end race cars--before you have to buy it in GT mode. I don't know how many times I've purchased a car in GT mode only to be burned. And good luck trying to re-sell the thing at a 1/4 it's original price.

So, I respectfully disagree and agree with ya'.

Later.

 

[vectradriver]

sorry double post.

 

[Duke]

Main reason that I get to select the number of laps I run and the difficulty of my competition. For some reason, 5 to 10 lap races just don't do it for me. They can be fun, but where's the challenge? And to be honest, GT mode has too many races set below 5 laps.

Agreed. 5 laps should be a minimum, and I prefer 10+ lappers.

I set the difficulty level to 10, set tire wear to 'fast' and activate "Forced Pit Entry" to keep me from "wall-riding" and smashing into other cars like an idiot. I have to drive a clean, perfect race, for 45 minutes ot an hour or more. You can't do that in any other mode in Gran Turismo. You can do some of those things, but not all at the same time.

All right, I'll buy that too. 👍

 

[vectradriver]

Sorry Duke for taking this way off topic. I've cooled down a bit.

BTW, I subscribe to Motor Trend through Zinio reader and buy the Daily Express' World Car Guide every year, which details every mainstream American car. I have a fair knowledge of the American car market and because of that, felt apt to say that there aren't enough American cars in GT4, because of this.

 

[mwoodski]

I find the TCS and ASM on the older cars in GT4 useless, they didn't have those systems back when these cars were around, so why is it on the car?

 

[samj_13]

I find the TCS and ASM on the older cars in GT4 useless, they didn't have those systems back when these cars were around, so why is it on the car?

And on the Ford GT too, nice point Fire.

 

[ImprezaAddict]

Hmmm....car wash and the Skylines, this many many diff. versions of Skylines

 

[Duke]

Sorry Duke for taking this way off topic. I've cooled down a bit.

And I've split that part of this thread off to a new thread in the Cars In General board.

And part of this post got lost in the shuffle, so I'm quoting Luca's post below:

BTW several of the racing games I've played allow you to drive every car from the beginning in some form or another, or they make it easy enough to obtain every single one without having to beat a bunch of extremely difficult challenges.

Need For Speed: Most Wanted has a "my cars" mode where you can take any car in the game and customize it in any way you'd like, visually and performance-wise. The limitation is that you miss out on unique upgrades and "free roam" mode, which is probably the most fun since you can drive around wherever and get chased by police. Still, it's perfect for test driving.

Forza Motorsport assigns a high resale value to every car so you can switch on a whim with little punishment. There are some cars that are difficult to obtain, but most are pretty easy and are just a matter of time. Also, there is a cheat code built into the game whereby you can create a profile that starts with every car unlocked (you still have to make enough money to buy them).

 

[GM]

Theres a best times ranking board for the skid pan.

 

[Barracuda]

I find the TCS and ASM on the older cars in GT4 useless, they didn't have those systems back when these cars were around, so why is it on the car?

i dont know what kind of old cars you are using but all i know is a muscle car without tcs and asm is useless. you have so much power, torque, and weight you just burnout for five minutes because you have no real throttle control, yes you can feather it but that gets annoying

 

[Thundercat]

Concept Cars you can't sell! You go to Extreme Hall and race in "Like the Wind" to win that fugly organge-biege Volkswagon Nerdo and you can't sell it for sh*%! I got rid of it anyway!!!

 

[mwoodski]

i dont know what kind of old cars you are using but all i know is a muscle car without tcs and asm is useless. you have so much power, torque, and weight you just burnout for five minutes because you have no real throttle control, yes you can feather it but that gets annoying

And that's the fun part about it.

 

[Duke]

Concept Cars you can't sell! You go to Extreme Hall and race in "Like the Wind" to win that fugly organge-biege Volkswagon Nerdo and you can't sell it for sh*%! I got rid of it anyway!!!

I've got a dozen or more concept cars (which I don't care about anyway) clogging up my garage, but I refuse to sell them because you get no benefit, and many of them can't be re-won.

 

[Pink_the_Floyd]

Nissan

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Just kidding;


Autosave, why put that on such a big game when you know it creates corrupt save data?


The chassis wear, it may be realistic but you have to admit it's useless and only costs money 👎

 

[Duke]

Autosave is not a "feature" that they put into GT4 by choice - it's a patch to make up for the fact that GT4 is pushing the PS2 a little past its limits.

 

[<_Spike_>]

Surprised no ones mentioned this....

Fuel and Tyre wear! No point having it if there's no actual running out of petrol/gas or having buggered tyres exploding/puncturing

 

[Pink_the_Floyd]

"Most useless things in GT4"

Autosave is a thing...


It sucks anyway, weather you like it or not

 

[Duke]

Surprised no ones mentioned this....

Fuel and Tyre wear! No point having it if there's no actually running out of petrol/gas or having buggered tyres exploding/puncturing

Except that you are limited to 50 mph until you pit again if you run out of gas, and the handling changes significantly throughout the tire's heat cycle... not useless at all, in my book.