Multiverse or Singleverse?!

[Jubby]

No time whatsoever. Terms such as "how long" are completely irrelevant when referring to infinity. Infinity is the absence of time, not time going on endlessly.

Infinity is unlimited or has a lack of boundary in quantity, not a lack of existence. If something that is infinite is the absence of "something", then it's not infinite. That would be quite finite... zero.

 

[Sam48]

Infinity is unlimited or has a lack of boundary in quantity, not a lack of existence. If something that is infinite is the absence of "something", then it's not infinite. That would be quite finite... zero.

But that's my whole point. The absence of something's existence justifies it's infinite state. So, for example, if I decide to design a new iphone, it will eventually come into existence once my prototype is approved by the manufacturer and what not. However, because I put this new iphone into existence, it must therefore come to an end one day since it's only a material object.

Now, if I never even conceive this new iphone to begin with, it will live for eternity in the realm of the un-imagined. The same goes for time. If time stops, infinity becomes reality. However, if time really did stop, we wouldn't notice. We would simply be trapped in infinity until time started again.

 

[Jubby]

But that's my whole point. The absence of something's existence justifies it's infinite state. So, for example, if I decide to design a new iphone, it will eventually come into existence once my prototype is approved by the manufacturer and what not. However, because I put this new iphone into existence, it must therefore come to an end one day since it's only a material object.

Now, if I never even conceive this new iphone to begin with, it will live for eternity in the realm of the un-imagined. The same goes for time. If time stops, infinity becomes reality. However, if time really did stop, we wouldn't notice. We would simply be trapped in infinity until time started again.

If you never had the idea, then the said idea count would be zero, not infinite. We are all capable of an infinite amount of ideas. In the infinite amount of alternate realities or alternate universes(potentially the multiverse(s)) the idea is conceived.

 

[Sam48]

If you never had the idea, then the said idea count would be zero, not infinite. We are all capable of an infinite amount of ideas. In the infinite amount of alternate realities or alternate universes(potentially the multiverse(s)) the idea is conceived.

That would be where we differ since I voted for finite singular universe. Also, I can see zero as being both infinite and full of nothing at the same time.

In my opinion, zero is the only real way to comprehend infinity.

 

[Jubby]

That would be where we differ since I voted for finite singular universe. Also, I can see zero as being both infinite and full of nothing at the same time.

In my opinion, zero is the only real way to comprehend infinity.

Oh, I see. I understand why you think that way.

A serious question to the finite universe, though. Wouldn't infinity truly be undefined then?

 

[TankAss95]

In an infinite universe, everything possible must happen. So that means there are an infinite amount of planets like our own, and there are an infinite amount of exact copies of us.
And on one you would be president of the USA, or the Pope. You name it, you've done it.
Scary thought.
But no I don't accept infinite. Infinite for me is reserved as a mathematical concept and my personal belief in God. Nothing else.

 

[BobK]

Okay, lets start with time. Time shall be represented by a clock that ticks. Eventually, it must stop ticking. (e.i. time must come to an end at some point)

And if my ruler breaks then distance no longer exists? Just because a clock (or even all clocks) stops doesn't mean that time itself stops.

Infinite time (e.i. Infinity) is not a clock that ticks forever, but instead a clock that never ticks at all. Because counting to infinity is as useless to us as it is to nature itself. Real infinity is where time doesn't exist.

If a clock ticks forever then it would generate an infinite amount of ticks.

 

[Sam48]

In an infinite universe, everything possible must happen. So that means there are an infinite amount of planets like our own, and there are an infinite amount of exact copies of us.
And on one you would be president of the USA, or the Pope. You name it, you've done it.
Scary thought.
But no I don't accept infinite. Infinite for me is reserved as a mathematical concept and my personal belief in God. Nothing else.

I find one issue with this. If every possible outcome came to be, doesn't that mean the big bang occurs all the time? I can see an infinite universe of emptiness (Meaning no stars and planets to fill it), but a universe where the big bang created all possible outcomes at once is technically impossible. It would have to constantly keep creating more and more things because there are always new outcomes. In fact, one outcome is that the big bang never even happened at all. (In which case we would have an empty universe).

And if my ruler breaks then distance no longer exists? Just because a clock (or even all clocks) stops doesn't mean that time itself stops.

I was using a ticking clock to "Represent" time itself. I think you took my example far to literally.

If a clock ticks forever then it would generate an infinite amount of ticks.

But time is the a limiting factor, so, theoretically, that wouldn't be possible.

 

[Jubby]

In an infinite universe, everything possible must happen. So that means there are an infinite amount of planets like our own, and there are an infinite amount of exact copies of us.
And on one you would be president of the USA, or the Pope. You name it, you've done it.

There can be...right? The principle of infinity means that when you (try to) quantify something it is limitless, or boundless.

There is much truth to your final statement. I could be the president, you could be the Pope. We're not, but we could be... realistic or not, it's possible.

I don't think infinity has to be applied to everything as if it does happen, it's a possibility as it has no limit. That's the point of an infinite universe, it has no end or limit.

 

[TankAss95]

There can be...right? The principle of infinity means that when you (try to) quantify something it is limitless, or boundless.

There is much truth to your final statement. I could be the president, you could be the Pope. We're not, but we could be... realistic or not, it's possible.

I don't think infinity has to be applied to everything as if it does happen, it's a possibility as it has no limit. That's the point of an infinite universe, it has no end or limit.

In an infinite universe, there would be.
Think of the immortal monkey on the typewriter - he will make every possible piece of literature given an infinite amount of time.
So in an infinite universe, you will have an infinite amount of copies of yourself. There will be infinite amounts of copies of yourself as the pope, president, whatever. And in an infinite universe, there will be an infinite amount of exact copies of yourself wearing a pink t-shirt, Rolex watch, and Nike trainers wile having a small, banana shaped scar behind your left ear.

It's crazy.

I don't accept infinity in terms of nature as I have explained above. Nature gets to a really big number then goes back to 1 (my hypothesis).
If there is a multiverse then great, but an infinite amount of universes is crazy too.