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Suggestion to reward points for finishing. Not a fix.
My first Thread - Dear Bernie......
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Ooh oh I'll have a go!
I've watched racing basically my whole life (born in '85). F1 was the first form of racing I was introduced to when my dad would watch it.
When I was about 8, I discovered NASCAR and Indycar (or whatever it was called back then). NASCAR, I can't lie, I liked because of the crashes. I used to build 1:24 scale models, and then use a lighter to melt them and make it look like they got in huge wrecks....except my precious #3. Indycar I liked because it was in places that I recognized (like Toronto, Vancouver) and while I never actually watched Indy Toronto, I was downtown while it was on and still remember hearing the cars.
Even back then, I remember my dad telling me "F1 is the best, because that's the way it is."
In my late teens, I stopped following most racing as I was busy with other things, plus it was just tough to follow unless you were completely into it. In 2004 and 2005, I was in Montreal for the summers, so took the opportunity to go to a GP. That's when I got back into following F1, although I ended up going to a GP only in '04, as it was actually a bit of a disappointing experience (payed a lot of money to spend all day sitting on hard ass metal bleachers, frying in the sun...watching a big screen on the other side of the track. Best part of the whole weekend was seeing the classic F1 cars, which happened to be staged right behind the bleacher I was sitting in. Got right up close to them, chatted with some of the mechanics. Sadly, that was before I fully understood what I was looking at, and I think I've since lost all the pictures I took.). The atmosphere in Mtl was pretty special though, and even friends who didn't follow racing at all, remarked on how cool all the events in the city surrounding the GP were.
Since that time, I losely followed F1 and NASCAR simply because they were the most prevelent, and therefor easy to keep track of. Living in Canada, and being an infrequent cable subscriber, following other forms of racing basically wasn't an option. If it weren't for games like Gran Turismo, I wouldn't even know about many other forms of racing.
In the last few years, I've turned into a "hardcore" Motorsports fan, for 2 reasons. One, racing games like GT. Actually getting into racing online, studying tuning guides and racecraft guides - the commonalities between the real and the virtual have really cultivated my interest in racing. Two, if the internet; specifically being able to watch replays of various races, at my convenience. I've never been one to schrdule my life around TV watching, but now that I can catch up on a weekend's worth of racing over the following week, or watch an endurance race in segments, I find myself getting really into everything. All the websites and blogs really help too.
So basically, I say all that to say that I'm an F1 fan by "default". I follow it, and considered it the pinnacle simply because I didn't know anything else. Now that I follow basically everything, and I mean everything, I become less and less impressed with F1 With each passing day. That's not to say I dislike F1, just that I don't hold it in as high a regard.
F1 lacks the wheel to wheel action, and relatability of GT and Touring Car racing, or MotoGP and WSBK. To me, it lacks the diversity of strategy, and attrition, of endurance racing. It lacks the danger of racing on gnarly tracks like The Nordeschleif, Bathurst, Le Mans, Macau, Road Atlanta, Watkins Glen, etc etc. in terms of racing that brings me to the edge of my seat, screaming in angst at the TV, yelling "Holy 🤬" when no one else is around, F1 barely cracks my top 10.
I used to consider F1 as the pinnacle because that's what everyone, including F1 itself, told me it was. Now that I have some context, I no longer feel that way. I think a lot of people hold F1 in that regard because it has the most "noise" surrounding it - but I feel it is viewed as "the best racing" for everything but the actual racing. I don't even really considered F1 drivers as the "best in the world." They're the best at their niche, which is single seater, open wheel, high downforce, on smooth tracks - but they're not the best on an oval, they're not the best on dirt/snow, they're not the best in a GT or Touring Car (eg I have a really hard time believing that any of the current crop of F1 drivers could hop in a V8SC and keep up with the pointy end of that field around Bathurst).
TLDR; F1 doesn't really offer me anything that other series don't - it's just another on the list of series to follow and watch.
I think you've summed up the F1 experience for a lot of people there, certainly a lot of it rings true for me.
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Okay, so for what reason do you suggest that?
The OP.
"First time on this particular forum. I'm really enjoying F1 at the moment, but feel I'd like to offer my 2c worth of changes that could make F1 more interesting/sustainable/relevant."
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Regs
Even a team that may never win a race outright or ever get a podium, should at the least, score a point for crossing the finish line. Formula One want every team to pay to play. There is no encouragement to stay on the grid. What does a team gain by NOT having points at the end of a season? Doesn't matter the scoring system. It could be like baseball(just as an example, please don't think I'm serious). Everyone start with 1.000 and depending on where they finish, points are reduced or left as is.
It is silly to see a team(who will never ever win a championship) spend millions over 20 races and have a scoring system where the team in last, which has finished races, has a "donut".
Sure, this isn't touring cars or NASCAR where points are awarded to the last driver. Moto GP aren't as generous either. F1 as entertainment, lost me in 2015. I've seen some F1 race threads where people praise how awesome a race was. That's cool but, for the top tier sport in the world, to flounder with a qualifying system for trying something new, how about trying something new at a basic level and offering for the first time ever, points for last place(meaning points scored where the whole field isn't wiped out, leaving only 6 cars where the last one indeed will score points).
The OP.
"First time on this particular forum. I'm really enjoying F1 at the moment, but feel I'd like to offer my 2c worth of changes that could make F1 more interesting/sustainable/relevant."
"
Regs
- Award points for top 8 drivers only."
Even a team that may never win a race outright or ever get a podium, should at the least, score a point for crossing the finish line. Formula One want every team to pay to play. There is no encouragement to stay on the grid. What does a team gain by NOT having points at the end of a season? Doesn't matter the scoring system. It could be like baseball(just as an example, please don't think I'm serious). Everyone start with 1.000 and depending on where they finish, points are reduced or left as is.
It is silly to see a team(who will never ever win a championship) spend millions over 20 races and have a scoring system where the team in last, which has finished races, has a "donut".
Sure, this isn't touring cars or NASCAR where points are awarded to the last driver. Moto GP aren't as generous either. F1 as entertainment, lost me in 2015. I've seen some F1 race threads where people praise how awesome a race was. That's cool but, for the top tier sport in the world, to flounder with a qualifying system for trying something new, how about trying something new at a basic level and offering for the first time ever, points for last place(meaning points scored where the whole field isn't wiped out, leaving only 6 cars where the last one indeed will score points).
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The BBC are reporting that Ross Brawn has already signed a contract to succeed Dear Bernie when the Bernster retires. That'll probably be some time in the 2030s...
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I doubt that. Mostly because Bernie sold his soul for immortality and convinced the devil that he got the better deal out of it.
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Bernie has a deal to stay for another three years. Fact.
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For "up to" three years, and that's according to Bernie himself - Liberty have always refused to confirm or deny this. In any case, Brawn says that all he's doing right now is consulting for Liberty and that he's signed no agreements and has been offered no long-term post.
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How long before we have a Trump-over, when the honeymoon period ends and we all want to go back to the way it was before?
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No idea which F1 thread it truly belongs in, but considering who it is and what it means for the series...I think this thread is appropriate:
Ross Brawn has become the head of F1!
http://www.racer.com/f1/item/137826-brawn-appointed-in-top-f1-role-by-liberty
Probably this thread. "Dear Bernie" seems more apt than ever now.
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"Forced out" meaning taking his ball and going home because Liberty Media wouldn't put him in a position where he was still the unquestioned authority about Formula 1's direction. This isn't like McLaren and Ron Dennis, where he's been on the bad end of a long power struggle. Bernie knew well in advance about the deal and what their intentions were and even said that he was okay with it in the past.
Maybe Bernie should take the advice he gave Silverstone's owners recently when they said they couldn't afford to host the British GP anymore: Stop whining.
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