NASCAR 2012 Thread
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Personally, I hate The Chase. Last year is the perfect example, with Tony Stewart winning the championship despite running mediocre for the first 26 races.
The Chase allows a driver to stay behind and barely make the top 10 in points, and then make a run and win the championship. While it may be amazing to see a driver come out of nowhere, it prevents a "true champion", who ran consistently all season.
I mean, who do you think should win the championship, a guy who ran in the top 5 in points all season long, or someone who barely made the chase? You have to be good all season long, but the chase prevents that. You can struggle early on and then win the title by barely making the chase as opposed to someone who does really good early on and then struggles a bit in the later races.
The Chase allows a driver to stay behind and barely make the top 10 in points, and then make a run and win the championship. While it may be amazing to see a driver come out of nowhere, it prevents a "true champion", who ran consistently all season.
I mean, who do you think should win the championship, a guy who ran in the top 5 in points all season long, or someone who barely made the chase? You have to be good all season long, but the chase prevents that. You can struggle early on and then win the title by barely making the chase as opposed to someone who does really good early on and then struggles a bit in the later races.
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It's the schedule. The Chase I don't think has anything to do with it. It's the tracks. Chicago, Kansas, etc are BORING.
Vegas isn't particularly exciting either, but since the awards are handed out there at the end of the year it's only fitting to make it the last race.
It's the schedule. The Chase I don't think has anything to do with it. It's the tracks. Chicago, Kansas, etc are BORING.
Vegas isn't particularly exciting either, but since the awards are handed out there at the end of the year it's only fitting to make it the last race.
Jahgee
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How about this, have 2 championships. The regular one with no chase like it was before but with the current points system, and then have a chase where the winner will get a 100 point bonus in the normal championship, the winner of the normal one gets the official championship, but you still get the chase atmosphere as well as teams stepping it up.
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Stormtrooper217
How do you feel about the NY Giants being Super Bowl champions twice after being 10-6 and 9-7?
ICEYOU
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As much as I dislike the chase, I'm going to have agree with you there.👍
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Football is much different than racing. If you have a schedule against some of the best teams in the league, and have a record like that, then you should be able to win the Super Bowl. Meanwhile, if you are a team that goes 14-2 or 15-1 against crappier teams, then you shouldn't win the Super Bowl if you make it.
You see, if you win against extremely crappy teams, that pretty much says that your team is crap. If you have a tougher schedule and barely make the playoffs, that means that your team is good, since you won against better teams.
NASCAR is much different than the NFL. In NASCAR, you face 42 other drivers that have the same intent as you do, and that is to win. In the NFL, you face a different team every weekend, and they can be either crappier than yours of better than yours.
Carl Edwards should have been last year's NASCAR Sprint Cup Champion, as he was consistent all year long, while Tony Stewart only made a run in the last 10 races. Had the points not been reset, even with the final 10 races, the championship would have gone to Edwards.
I think a good argument to my thoughts would be that other sports don't need playoffs as well.
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ICEYOU
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Well to be fair I didn't like how Gordon was robbed of his championships in 2004 and 2007. I honestly think the chase has brought out Gordon's downfall in recent years. His career took a major nosedive after 2007. It'll take a miracle if he can take home the championship home now.
Nascar won't do that because Joonya sucks at Road Racing much like his father. If you ask me all race car drivers should be good at all sorts of tracks and not just ovals (Like Gordon, Keselowski and Stewart).
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This isn't college football, where 200+ teams can create their own non-conference schedules. Every team plays one of 31 other professional teams each week. The schedule regularly rotates so that every team plays every other team at least once every four seasons, so no preferential schedules are created. The difference between the easiest and hardest NFL schedules is not that large, especially when compared to NCAA football. Any team that gets into the NFL playoffs earned their spot, based on their record.
You do realize that all the teams that make the playoffs play each other before the two Super Bowl teams are chosen, right? The game doesn't just take place between the two teams that have the two best regular season records (that's more typical of NCAA D1-A football). Those teams get home field advantage in the playoffs, but they still have to beat two other playoff teams just to advance to the championship game. No matter who makes it to the Super Bowl, they've definitely earned that right by advancing through the playoffs, no matter what their record was when the playoffs started.
The football team that lines up across from you each week is not trying to win?
Honestly, I would argue that only 20-25 NASCAR teams come to the track each week actually trying to win the race, and 10 of those 25 teams have no legitimate chance. There are at least 10 other teams that come to the track each week knowing they have no chance at all to win, but are doing their best to stay in the top 35 in points. And then there are the start-and-park NASCAR teams that honestly are not even trying to win. They are just there to pocket as much cash for as little effort as possible. There are no NFL teams that take the field for the coin toss, then immediately head into the locker room, letting the other team play alone on the field uncontested. This actually happens in NASCAR.
In this case, Carl Edwards (most regular season points) would be the Packers (best regular season record). Stewart (top 10 in points are automatic qualifiers for the Chase) would be the NY Giants (8 division winners are automatic qualifiers for the playoffs).
In your mind, the Packers should just be awarded the title for going 15-1, and that should be the end of the season. But, the playoffs exist as a proving ground, where teams are required to show that they are the best of the best.
In the playoffs, the Giants went into Green Bay (15-1), San Francisco (13-3) and then beat New England (13-3) in the Super Bowl. They won every single game in a win-or-go-home situation.
The Giants were deserving champions, as they outperformed everyone that was put in front of them when it counted the most. Just because those other teams had better regular season records does not make them the champions. When everyone knew it was time to win or go home, the Giants were that team just kept winning.
The same could be said for Stewart. Everyone knew the rules. All you have to do is get in, and then be the absolute best when it counts. The Giants did that and Stewart did that. They won fair and square, according to the rules that were in place before the season started.
I think any fan of the NFL, NBA, NHL, NCAA Basketball, NCAA Football, and MLB would tell you that you are crazy.
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Why not just reset say top 12 points after 26 races, closing gap between them but still allowing the rest of the field to fight them? So if 12th had a bad start if could still drop back through the field..
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I don't mind the chase so much but it doesn't always reward the best driver all year. Stewart proved it last year, and we have had good points battle all year.
You also have guys who missed chase last year who had amazing chase time runs like Kasey but he got the shaft in that situation if you ask me.
It's funny how before chase we never had issues with who won, but trying to be like other sports and now the whole sport changed in differed direction.
You also have guys who missed chase last year who had amazing chase time runs like Kasey but he got the shaft in that situation if you ask me.
It's funny how before chase we never had issues with who won, but trying to be like other sports and now the whole sport changed in differed direction.
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Don't forget that Kenseth won a championship in 2003 with only one win.
That and having to get viewers away from the start of the football season are a couple of reasons for the Chase.
It's kinda funny how the 2 are being compared in discussion here.
And a couple comments on start and parks.
Joe Nemechek has Cup winnings over $2,000,000 this year and no points. Pretty good.
Probably more than most champions earn in other American racing series.
Comment 2 is the reasons they give NASCAR for "parking".
Things like vibration, brakes, overheating, smoke, etc., but I guess you have to give them a reason.
That's kinda funny too.
The end of last year was perfect for NASCAR as Tony had to win the race to beat Edwards for the Championship.
As NASCAR is always changing/evolving they will do what they think is best for everyone involved including the fans.
Maybe not all of them will be happy.
That and having to get viewers away from the start of the football season are a couple of reasons for the Chase.
It's kinda funny how the 2 are being compared in discussion here.
And a couple comments on start and parks.
Joe Nemechek has Cup winnings over $2,000,000 this year and no points. Pretty good.
Probably more than most champions earn in other American racing series.
Comment 2 is the reasons they give NASCAR for "parking".
Things like vibration, brakes, overheating, smoke, etc., but I guess you have to give them a reason.
That's kinda funny too.
The end of last year was perfect for NASCAR as Tony had to win the race to beat Edwards for the Championship.
As NASCAR is always changing/evolving they will do what they think is best for everyone involved including the fans.
Maybe not all of them will be happy.
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01GTP
I never got the comparison either because you have diehard race fans or diehard football fans who might watch other if their sport isn't on but I don't think your going to still fans either considering how many games a week are on compared to races.
Granted Joe has done well, and starting and parking is here to stay til something changes. He also runs a full nationwide schedule and in top 10 too for a team with 3 full time people. He gets a break from me, but the others kill me with all the money they make and never run a full race.
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Consistency > win count. A driver with 3 wins and 7 moderate results (somewhere outside the top 5) can't be better than a driver with 1 win, but a damn consistent string of top 5's with some top 10's inbetween. Probably that's not the case with the current point system anyway, but I have always believed that wins aren't everything. The F1 point system has become too win-friendly IMHO, and NASCAR's decision to adopt the Chase only because of Kenseth's season (which had to be consistent to some extent, am I right?) is just mind-blowing.
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