NASCAR in GT5!

[djanikowski]

I noticed while playing the demo the other day something weird about the nascar driver animation. While watching my replay at indy, in the incar view I noticed that when I upshifted to 4th, he put the gear lever in 5th, and when I had to downshift he put it in 4th gear. Hope this gets fixed.

Well, considering that Sprint Cup cars only have 4 gears, I don't think he was putting it in 5th.

 

[Cale]

Do Nascars have a dog-leg box? That would explain why it looked like he was shifting into 5th.

 

[smoke1485]

Yeah I know they don't have five thanks I was saying that the driver animation was having the driver put in fifth(right and up) when going in to fourth and towards the driver and down when downshifting into third

 

[smoke1485]

They do not have dog legg trannies either straight cut 4 speeds

 

[Revelation1115]

Then you don't know anything at all because that's not true. Not going to elaborate on that, you'll notice soon enough.

i sure hope so! 👍

 

[Blitz24]

I'm not going to rough you up on saying that NASCAR runs in circles (because I'm not like that). However, I will say that while stock cars are primarily known for oval racing (not circles. If you want circles, look for a track called the Nardo Ring in Italy), they do road race as well. Part of me says that GT4 was probably looking to add NASCAR before GT5 since GT4 featured the stock car configuration of Infineon Raceway. NASCAR races some pretty good road courses. Some of NASCAR's history on road courses include Infineon Raceway, Watkins Glen, Portland International Raceway, Heartland Park Topeka, Lime Rock Park, Autodromo Hermanos Rodriguez, Circuit de Gilles Villeneuve, Road Atlanta, Road America, and various other road courses NASCAR has raced or currently raced. They usually race on Road Atlanta and Virginia International Raceway for road course testing. I think it was Richard Petty who mentioned that stock cars were not meant to go left AND right.

The NASCAR series in Canada and Mexico race more road courses than the top three touring series here in the United States. NASCAR's Canadian series, the NASCAR Canadian Tire Series (formerly CASCAR), races on some good road courses including some street course racing. I only remember them racing around Toronto and the old Vancouver street course. As for NASCAR in Mexico, they have tracks like Autodromo Hermanos Rodriguez and Puebla (which has a unique road course configuration) among some other courses.

All I'm saying is... NASCAR does race road courses. They may not be like FIA GT cars in road racing, but there's a science to road racing stock cars. Road racing will be a great challenge with stock cars. The next time I play a GT5 demo, I want to do some stock car road racing to practice racing these NASCAR stock cars. I also want to race these machines with the Professional driving model. I will have to edit my first impressions to note whatever my experiences were like in playing this game.

The main point is that NASCAR does MORE than race on ovals.

The other track(s) that NASCAR has raced at in GT4 are TR Motegi and Suzuka East. Its sad that open wheel fans say NASCAR is easy when in some cases all they do in F1 is watch a parade.

 

[SavageWhiteDude]

I can´t wait till I get to muscle a COT around Nürburgring!

It'll be like driving a refrigerator through San Francisco.

 

[SavageWhiteDude]

The other track(s) that NASCAR has raced at in GT4 are TR Motegi and Suzuka East. Its sad that open wheel fans say NASCAR is easy when in some cases all they do in F1 is watch a parade.

Apples and oranges. There is much more passing in NASCAR buts passing in NASCAR on most tracks consists of stepping out of one line and getting in another and hoping it goes faster. And no, driving a stock car in an oval is not terrible hard relative to many other forms of motorsport. Some of the short tracks are a bit challenging but the speedways and superspeedways are a joke. Exciting? If its your thing then more power to ya.
Passing in F1 is rare because aerodynamically it is very hard to follow close behind another car as u lose a lot of downforce and thus grip. That and passing in F1 is a whole nother beast than in NASCAR or gt racing. Carbon fiber brakes don't help either. Just running the times they run on those tracks is incredible.
If I want to watch big v8's ill stick with the Australia V8's.

 

[01GTP]

Even though the refrigerator through San Fran was funny, your knowledge on NASCAR is somewhat of a joke.

Apples and oranges.

Of course it is.

There is much more passing in NASCAR buts passing in NASCAR on most tracks consists of stepping out of one line and getting in another and hoping it goes faster.

That only happens at Talladega.
The other restrictor plate track (Daytona) is more dependent on the cars handling.
There is more passing because the competition is very close.

And no, driving a stock car in an oval is not terrible hard relative to many other forms of motorsport. Some of the short tracks are a bit challenging but the speedways and superspeedways are a joke. Exciting? If its your thing then more power to ya.

I would like to see you on the track once GT5 is out and we could help you understand the type of racing that NASCAR is, especially while drafting around the track at around 200 mph, looking in the rear view mirror (a lot) so your competition doesn't go by you at any time, not just into or out of the corner, for about 3 hours with pit stops.
For most tracks it's no different than any other racing, try to get by the guy in front of you while trying to keep the rest of the field behind you.

Passing in F1 is rare because aerodynamically it is very hard to follow close behind another car as u lose a lot of downforce and thus grip. That and passing in F1 is a whole nother beast than in NASCAR or gt racing. Carbon fiber brakes don't help either.

That is called aero-push in NASCAR.
With the spoiler on the back again the aero-push is back again also.
Do I need to elaborate that for you, it refers to your areo reference.

Just running the times they run on those tracks is incredible.

Are we talking F-1 or NASCAR?

If I want to watch big v8's ill stick with the Australia V8's.

If its your thing then more power to ya.
Nobody here stopping you.


Back to apples and oranges, F-1 and NASCAR are 2 entirely different disciplines and to compare them is not wise, it would be like comparing.............
well, you know.

I watch the V8 Supercars and try to watch F-1.
I would like to think that GT5 will get people to understand what NASCAR racing is like.

EDIT:
I also watch
FIA GT1 GT3
ALMS
Grand-AM
Patron Porsche
Speed World Challange
BTCC when available
DTM when available
WRC
Isle on Man TT (not a bike fan)
24 hours at Nurburgring, LeMans and Spa
And whatever else is available at times

 

[smoke1485]

On an oval...there is nowhere to hide!

 

[Slurm]

Not to diminish the skill involved in NASCAR, but F1 is harder, full stop. As to which is more exciting, a fairer game, least flawed as a motorsport?... those are different questions. I'm really happy NASCAR is in the game. It's a different discipline, and there's obviously a lot of skill and technique required to be good at it.

On an oval...there is nowhere to hide!

lol

 

[-Cheezman-]

The comments about NASCAR are hilarious.

I knew GTPlanet was a relatively elitist group, but, I find the fact that people can't appreciated a motorsport disconcerting. Especially where cars reach up to 200mph while cockpit temperatures reach in to the 100's, with a car less than a foot in front of you, one less than a foot behind you, and one on either side of you. While racing for hundreds of laps; where one small slip up can cause a massive pile up 10 cars deep.

I'm not a huge NASCAR fan myself, but, I think most NASCAR hate is less about the sport, and more about the generalization that only "uneducated rednecks" watch it because of the accidents.

 

[smoke1485]

In all organized sports you only need one ball to play...in NASCAR you need two!

 

[Reflex Moto]

In retrospect, all forms of racing are essentially the same. Every team in every sanctioning body is trying to get power from the engine, through the drivetrain and to the ground better than the next guy, thus making him (or her) faster.

The F1 vs NASCAR debate is often juggled around on the Reflex site...as we are a very geographically diverse group. Stock car racing, in it's original form is arguably the OLDEST form of auto racing in the world. However time and technology have changed the sport since NASCAR was founded in 1948.

Where as F1 is more technology driven, NASCAR is still the dinosaur of the racing world so to speak. NASCAR still using small block pushrod V8's, carbs etc...it was just 3 or 4 years ago when NAsCAR made the push to eliminate leaded fuel from competition and go to unleaded, where most sanctioning bodies are going to alternative fuels.

Where I come from (Adam Wilkes) NASCAR is much more than a sport...NASCAR is a way of life...If I had the money right now, I could go buy myself a used car, get my NASCAR liscense, test and get approved to run on the track I wanted to run and actually compete with the guys I idolize every Sunday/Saturday night. Can YOU do that in F1?

I have gone to many races as I live in Florida and my wife and I travel to Daytona every summer. To appreciate what is the sport of NASCAR, one must turn off his television and purchase a ticket and see it in person. Imagine 43 cars, 2 and 3 wide running merely inches from each other at 189-199 MPH...driving 399 miles on an oval to have the winner of the race win by only tenths of a second.

 

[Antonisbob]

What is going on here? Some kind of heated debate?

 

[scope72]

In all organized sports you only need one ball to play...in NASCAR you need two!

Thats good.

By the way, I was playing GT4 the other day. And am currently competing in the Formula GT Championship. One of the races was 120 laps around the Motegi Super Speedway and I had a blast with only 6 cars on track. But one of the best things was when I pitted and decided to run Bob for a bit. Well, I never went back. Personally, I think with all of the rules, cool pit stops, lots of laps, and close racing; that B-Spec is going to be beast with NASCAR on GT5.

 

[TK42OnE]

I am not a huge NASCAR fan at all. That being said, I went and tried out the NASCAR car in the Bestbuy demo, on the Indianapolis track, and it was a blast!

That's all that matters to me.

I look forward to seeing what more NASCAR stuff they have in store for us in the full game.

 

[SavageWhiteDude]

Even though the refrigerator through San Fran was funny, your knowledge on NASCAR is somewhat of a joke.

Of course it is.

That only happens at Talladega.
The other restrictor plate track (Daytona) is more dependent on the cars handling.
There is more passing because the competition is very close.


I would like to see you on the track once GT5 is out and we could help you understand the type of racing that NASCAR is, especially while drafting around the track at around 200 mph, looking in the rear view mirror (a lot) so your competition doesn't go by you at any time, not just into or out of the corner, for about 3 hours with pit stops.
For most tracks it's no different than any other racing, try to get by the guy in front of you while trying to keep the rest of the field behind you.


That is called aero-push in NASCAR.
With the spoiler on the back again the aero-push is back again also.
Do I need to elaborate that for you, it refers to your areo reference.


Are we talking F-1 or NASCAR?

If its your thing then more power to ya.
Nobody here stopping you.


Back to apples and oranges, F-1 and NASCAR are 2 entirely different disciplines and to compare them is not wise, it would be like comparing.............
well, you know.

I watch the V8 Supercars and try to watch F-1.
I would like to think that GT5 will get people to understand what NASCAR racing is like.

EDIT:
I also watch
FIA GT1 GT3
ALMS
Grand-AM
Patron Porsche
Speed World Challange
BTCC when available
DTM when available
WRC
Isle on Man TT (not a bike fan)
24 hours at Nurburgring, LeMans and Spa
And whatever else is available at times

The reason passing is more prevalent in NASCAR than, say, F1 or GP2 has little to do with the fact that NASCAR is "more competitive," and everything to do with the differences between technology and rules. How many times has an F1 or GP2 car(more-so in F1 until they bring ground effects back) been catching multiple tenths of a second per lap on the car in front(so it is obviously quicker and more competitive) only to catch up to him with 10 laps left and never have an opportunity to make a move.

It is extremely difficult to run anywhere near the back of a Formula One car because of just how much an F1 car displaces. It has NOTHING to do with aero push in F1(as, essentially there is none). F1 cars are running so much wing the air is deflected at angles and speeds that don't allow for another F1 car to tuck in behind it and experience 'aero push.' It will have less resistance, sure, because it's getting hardly any air for downforce at all but once an F1 car is close enough to even think about passing the vacuum isn't pulling it in because that vacuum hasn't even caught up to the trail car yet.

Aero push in a stock car makes it advantageous to be following behind another car because they displacing just enough air to allow the lead and trail car to become one(though not entirely true because the trail car is actually being sucked into the lead car), aerodynamically speaking, giving both adequate downforce to keep stable(unless the trail car is really, really close). That and they don't have to worry about the handling issues an F1 car encounters, which makes that downforce much more critical for an F1 car.

F1 cars are light, quick, with a huge power to weight ratio, and have to navigate unbanked turns at high lateral g's.

Stock cars are none of that. They are dealing with entirely different issues but the passing issue in F1 has more to do with the cars and tracks than differences in competitiveness between the teams. Sure, that does play a part of it but my point was the passing in F1 is far more exciting(when it does occur) and in most circumstances takes much more skill and risk than in a NASCAR race.

Not that passing in NASCAR is easy, like all racing though, it depends on the situation and the track. But that is the difference between NASCAR and F1. One pass in NASCAR isn't a huge deal, many races you could pick up with 20 laps left and be just as well off as someone that's watched the entire thing. F1, you could watch 20 laps and not see one single pass but the difference from NASCAR is one or two passes in even the first lap of the race could decide the outcome. Hell, usually qualifying does that on some of the less pass friendly tracks like Monaco or... anything Hermann Tilke designs...

edit: I can appreciate NASCAR for what it is but it just isn't fast paced enough for me. Yea, it's fast, but the position battles in NASCAR just don't make my pants fit any tighter...

 

[Parker]

I am not a huge NASCAR fan at all. That being said, I went and tried out the NASCAR car in the Bestbuy demo, on the Indianapolis track, and it was a blast!

That's all that matters to me.

I look forward to seeing what more NASCAR stuff they have in store for us in the full game.

I agree 100%. I'm by no means a NASCAR fan, but why would I complain about them adding another feature to the game? I also tried the NASCAR at the BestBuy demo, and I have to say with my G27, it will be a blast. I'm really looking forward to it.

 

[thal689]

SavageWhiteDude you're just another dude that came to this thread to put down NASCAR. So anything you wanna discuss about THE GAME.....Cause Nascar on GT is gonna be tight.

I have a thought. Along with there general dislike for NASCAR, are the hardcore GT fans worried that Polyphony Digital might decide to put off GT6 for a while and make Nascar '11. If there is cash to be made most companies will do it. I think the two NASCAR threads on this forum bugs the hell out of some members. But it's just a thought I could be wrong.

 

[scope72]

Why is NASCAR so divisive? I mean, seriously, can anyone explain it?

Personally, I think I'm about to find some the "Hand Ball" forums somewhere on the internet and start ripping into them.

"Hey, guys... You're sport sucks... Use a glove..."

*run away*

 

[TK42OnE]

^^ Good question.
Some of it's just base anti-Americanism, as it's seen, and rightly so, as the dominant American motor-sport.

Personally, I like the American Le Mans series, but I know I'm in the minority there.

But, it's also the image NASCAR has given itself over the years. Southern, good ole boy, redneck, etc... Makes it easy to laugh it off when compared to things like Formula One or Le Mans which, seemingly have a much more sophisticated, technological, atmosphere around them.

 

[SavageWhiteDude]

SavageWhiteDude you're just another dude that came to this thread to put down NASCAR. So anything you wanna discuss about THE GAME.....Cause Nascar on GT is gonna be tight.

I have a thought. Along with there general dislike for NASCAR, are the hardcore GT fans worried that Polyphony Digital might decide to put off GT6 for a while and make Nascar '11. If there is cash to be made most companies will do it. I think the two NASCAR threads on this forum bugs the hell out of some members. But it's just a thought I could be wrong.

Not really, I'm sure it will be fun in the game but all that's been discussed about it is about all there is to discuss about it at this point till we get more information on it. My points still stand(and if you've noticed, I wasn't the first one to start the debate, I'm just making points countering some that have been made in here). Driving a stock car around an oval at speed is not all that difficult. NASCAR is fairly simple and straighforward, which is its niche. It's the boxing of motorsport. What makes it so difficult is the fact that the guy racing against you is going to go to the edge to beat you, so you have to go there yourself, which is a huge challenge in any form of motorsport.

In all honesty though my only real appreciation for stock car racing is in the setups. Taking such a tight ruleset and trying to outdo the guy next to you with the simplest of adjustments.

You can't really knock either form(open wheel vs. gt vs. stock car), when it comes down to it it's only as hard to race as your competitors are good.

And no, I have no fears that polyphony is going to switch to a strictly NASCAR platform when they have just dumped millions of dollars into a GT game that is full of content they can carryover to GT6.

Why the hate for NASCAR? Well, as an organization they all but ruined the SPEED channel.

 

[scope72]

^^ Good question.
Some of it's just base anti-Americanism, as it's seen, and rightly so, as the dominant American motor-sport.

Personally, I like the American Le Mans series, but I know I'm in the minority there.

But, it's also the image NASCAR has given itself over the years. Southern, good ole boy, redneck, etc... Makes it easy to laugh it off when compared to things like Formula One or Le Mans which, seemingly have a much more sophisticated, technological, atmosphere around them.

Yea, I agree on some level and don't want to get to in depth in this conversation, but I can't help myself at this point.

If I put myself in Europe's shoes... Massive amounts of media is exported by America and after a while (and rightly so) there is resentment towards anything that is American. Especially, those things that are somewhat connected to what Europeans despise about America. So, I can kind of see it, but often those claiming superiority are the one's oozing with ignorance and tend to have a bad habit of human compartmentalization. Which I find kind of funny.

 

[RACECAR]

Why the hate for FOX? Well, as an organization they all but ruined the SPEED channel.

Fixed

 

[SavageWhiteDude]

^^ Good question.
Some of it's just base anti-Americanism, as it's seen, and rightly so, as the dominant American motor-sport.

Personally, I like the American Le Mans series, but I know I'm in the minority there.

But, it's also the image NASCAR has given itself over the years. Southern, good ole boy, redneck, etc... Makes it easy to laugh it off when compared to things like Formula One or Le Mans which, seemingly have a much more sophisticated, technological, atmosphere around them.

That may be true for those from other countries but for me, my own real issue with it is just how much it overshadows other great motorsport events that aren't run by NASCAR. They have a monopoly on mainstream motorsports in the states. Hell, they cut off coverage to the 24 Hours of Le Mans to replay their trackside NASCAR show that's nothing more than four guys sitting around talking darn near anything but racing.

I doubt a video game has that much influence but it would be nice if GT5 would find some middle ground and appreciation from all of us for all forms of racing and the challenges they offer.

 

[SavageWhiteDude]

Fixed

Fox owns SPEED but I still blame NASCAR. I can't hold it against them, I suppose, as they are a business organization that pulled off an excellent marketing program over the years to make them what they are today.

 

[scope72]

^^^ Was that statement about FOX or NASCAR? 💡

 

[SavageWhiteDude]

^^^ Was that statement about FOX or NASCAR? 💡

NASCAR. Fox just airs whatever is going to make them the most money and get the best ratings. For a time it's been NASCAR, NASCAR, NASCAR on the SPEED channel as NASCAR managed to indoctrinate itself into American culture much the way the NFL has.

 

[scope72]

I can't hold it against them, I suppose, as they are a business organization that pulled off an excellent marketing program over the years to make them what they are today.

This statement should be re-written then. Otherwise you are admitting a double standard. Which I'm definitely comfortable with, as long as you are.

Edit: I see what you mean now. Sorry.

NASCAR. Fox just airs whatever is going to make them the most money and get the best ratings. For a time it's been NASCAR, NASCAR, NASCAR on the SPEED channel as NASCAR managed to indoctrinate itself into American culture much the way the NFL has.

Regarding this statement, I don't know why you chose to use the word indoctrinate. That is a pretty strong word. Especially since fans of both sports are very critical of the sport. Personally, I can speak to NFL better and can say that a lot of people simply love the sport. To me, I think it is the highest form of sport on so many levels. Which is why I love it so much, but I definitely don't hold back any criticism. So, maybe indoctrinate is the wrong word to use...