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The same paint livery as Mark Martin's 2010 Sprint Cup Paint Job
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Meh, not as great as the paint schemes they had this year on the Nationwide cars.
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I've given her a chance since 2005. Since then, she has been overexposed and presented as the best thing to happen to IRL since the Brickyard was built. In five years she has had one win and podiums that I can count on one hand in a series where there are only about 6 people who ever have a chance of winning anything. She's also known for whining about everyone and everything that even potentially kept her from winning a race; which, combined with the way she is constantly held up on a platter, has led me to be unwilling to watch any Indy races but the 500 and the Glen.
She's entering a much more even, much more "violent" and much more competitive sport. She will probably not finish as consistently mediocre as she does in IRL, likely falling off into "outright bad." She will undoubtedly whine about it more because of that. I'll give her a chance, but I seriously doubt that her career in NASCAR will do anything but add more backlash against her; and if they treat her as a darling and give her more coverage than anyone else like they do in IRL, I will probably stop watching the few Busch races that I do watch.
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Yes, but.. no one is prentending she is more than she is talent wise, they just hype her up because shes marketable, and she certainly won't be the first driver in NASCAR that attracts a big following for seemingly no reason.. whether its because you're a female race car driver, or whether its because your dad was Dale Earnhardt.. either way.. ignore the hype and base your judgement on her on track performance, and if that's not up to par, then fine, she's only as good as the other 20 drivers in the bottom half of the table
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I have a lot of heart in things (well, except my Houston Astros). I've been true and respectful to Danica. She's not going to come in and blow away everybody. If anything, this will enhance her skills. The one thing I do fear is that Danica Patrick is in a much more intense racing series. I'd hate to see how she'd fare if "The Big One" happens at a superspeedway.
It's only a part-time deal. I'm not going to hate on her or think she's only good for camera fodder and not much on the racing front. So damn right- give her a chance. I've never stopped believing. She still needs to establish herself better in IndyCar before possibly going full-time in NASCAR. I will say this much, though. She's surely got the drive and the right mindset to want to win races. I wish her the best.
It's only a part-time deal. I'm not going to hate on her or think she's only good for camera fodder and not much on the racing front. So damn right- give her a chance. I've never stopped believing. She still needs to establish herself better in IndyCar before possibly going full-time in NASCAR. I will say this much, though. She's surely got the drive and the right mindset to want to win races. I wish her the best.
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I never said it didn't bother me that they already did it.
I would like to, but I'm having doubts that it will be any easier than it is ignoring Junior in the Sprint Cup when they spend half the race intensely watching whatever he happens to be doing while back in mid-pack. I'm watching NASCAR to watch the race. I'm not watching NASCAR to watch the Dale Junior Hype Machine. My point is that I don't see Danica doing anything other than playing the same role that she does in IRL, and as I said I stopped watching IRL when that series became the Danica Patrick Hype Machine.
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Notice the part of your quote I highlighted there?
Your pretty much right, except I would whittle it down to 4 drivers--whoever happens to be driving for Target Chip Ganassi and Penske in a given year.
Occasionally, Andretti/Green teams (now just Andretti) have been competitive, but last year, they fell back noticeably in performance.
That's why Danica's performance last year was so impressive. She outperformed her teammates! What better measuring stick of a driver's performance can you have than that? Isn't that the most fundamental thing you want to do in team motorsports? She had the same (lame) equipment as Marco Andretti and Tony Kanaan, and she had better results than they did. That's more than Dale Jr. can say about his results this year
The fact is, unless you drive for Ganassi or Penske, your odds of finishing higher than 5th--much less winning a race in the IRL are sketchy at best. She has done about as good as can be expected with the equipment she's been given. In all fairness, she probably should have had a win or two more, and a few more top five finishes so far in her career, so she has perhaps slightly underperformed.
While I will readily agree she is overhyped, the fact remains that she is the most successful, professional female motorsports competitor in history.
In what other major sport do women compete directly against men? None that I can think of, so someone correct me if I'm wrong.
The fact that she finished 5th last season in a 24 car car field (excluding the Indy 500) is pretty damn impressive if you ask me.
Yes, the competition will step up a notch when she moves to NASCAR, but not because the drivers are better. The reason the competition will be better is that the teams in NASCAR are much more well-funded as a whole (I'd be willing to bet that the mid pack Nationwide teams budgets are as big or bigger than either Ganassi or Penske's IRL teams) and NASCAR rules are more conducive to competitive racing.
How will she fare in the Nationwide Series next year? I think she'll run about midpack to be honest, and she could easily have a few top ten finishes. She'll have really good equipment with JR Motorsports, so if she doesn't do well, she won't have many people to blame but herself.
But to say that she doesn't deserve a shot at the Nationwide Series, based on her 5th place finish in the IRL last year is absurd. I mean we're talking about the Nationwide Series--where over 150 drivers scored points last year. Everybody gets a shot at the Nationwide Series. I don't think you even have to have a driver's license to be eligible to drive in that series
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Michèle Mouton?
Just a clarification: I'm not saying she doesn't deserve a shot. I'm saying if they treat her in Busch the same way they treat her in IRL, than my Saturdays have just been freed up considerably.But to say that she doesn't deserve a shot at the Nationwide Series, based on her 5th place finish in the IRL last year is absurd. I mean we're talking about the Nationwide Series--where over 150 drivers scored points last year. Everybody gets a shot at the Nationwide Series. I don't think you even have to have a driver's license to be eligible to drive in that series
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The Nationwide series is just a big joke anyways. What other sport are the top level players/drivers allowed to go into the development leagues? Sure if it weren't for the Sprint cup drivers the ratings would be horrible, but at the same time there are no Rookie of the Year candidates for 2010(thus far).
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They need a lottery system for the Cup drivers to run Nationwide. Not more than maybe half the races, if you win a championship, sit out the next season. But really, the Cup drivers have always ran the Nationwide, it's just became Cup Jr. since maybe 2000? Mark Martin used to dominate in the #60 Win-Dixie car, I think he still has the most Nwide wins.
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It actually wasn't bad until 2006 when Harvick won the championship. Before that every champion(with the exception of Harvick in 2001 who was already committed to a full Busch schedule before Sr. died) was a full-time Busch/Nationwide driver. (I checked up to 1990)
I guess it more the championship part that bothers me more than them racing a few races. I think your idea would work fairly well.
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To my memory, I believe Colin Braun in the 16 Ford, Brian Scott in the forth Braun racing car and James Buescher in the 1 car are going to be Rookie of the Year Candidates as they are in full time rides. So far, I haven't seen any cup drivers confirmed to be going full time in Nationwide, Although I'm willing to bet Carl will be back.
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This just in... it's said that Kyle Busch will have some kind of press conference today on Speed Channel in the 2:00 PM EST hour. Now the prefix says "Trucks," so this somehow relates to him in NASCAR Trucks, I reckon.
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It was basically the announcement (which was already a rumor) that he will be fielding his own team "Kyle Busch Motorsports" and he'll have two trucks with Taylor Malsam in the #56 Tundra, He and Ickler sharing the 51 Miccosukee Tundra and possibly a third truck for Johnny Benson. I would have never thought on all people it would be him trying to get Benson a ride, but at least someone is actually trying to get Johnny a seat.
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