New DLC September 26: HSV-010, BRZ, GT-R N24 '12
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Probably horrible!
shirakawaa
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I will paint one of my GT-86 in Blue Mica and pretend it's a Subaru BR-Z.
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Anyone have Europablau paint from Opel ? Use that on the BRZ or any other car, instant coolness.
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Now they fix the aerodynamics, when I can't play the game. Well, this update is a surprise, I'll have to check it out whenever I get another chance to get on PS3.
On the Sciaru, the three of them do have some subtle differences in driving character, but I don't know if they'll be picked up in the game. Anyway, it came late, but this could be a good update.
On the Sciaru, the three of them do have some subtle differences in driving character, but I don't know if they'll be picked up in the game. Anyway, it came late, but this could be a good update.
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Since the Subaru has a slightly different front end styling, I wonder if they'd also offer some genuinely different visual customization options than the Toyota/Scion, I'm betting at least the front will be different and therefor the other parts might need a restyle as well.
It might come with some new colours as well, and since I've still got some otherwise unused change left on my PSN-account, I might as well buy all 3 even though I'm not sure I'd rush to get another PSN-card for this DLC as the only car that I get mildly excited about is the HSV.
It might come with some new colours as well, and since I've still got some otherwise unused change left on my PSN-account, I might as well buy all 3 even though I'm not sure I'd rush to get another PSN-card for this DLC as the only car that I get mildly excited about is the HSV.
There isn't a problem as such but this is a discussion forum, we're here to discuss things. I don't see the logic in silencing anyone who wants to think about and question the DLC strategy by PD rather than just post "I'm buying it" or "I'm not buying it".
No I'm not going to lose sleep about it but since I'm here on this forum I'm going to post here and post my opinions and questions about this DLC.
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You can also look at it from the other side. I've seen you say the same thing previously about the price of tracks. Maybe they intended to sell it at a certain price before and then decided to give at least some of it for free? But you won't be buying it anyway, so I just can't see why does it bother you so much.
I don't usually like DLC at all but I would like to see the '69 Camaro RS as DLC, simply because I like the car. But it would be just a slight alteration of the model currently in the game, and I have no doubt you (and many others) would start a meltdown over it. The DLC cars are here, now separated, so those people who want them can get them. Those that don't can ignore them. Seems pretty simple to me.
What makes you think it bothers me that much? Like I said I won't be losing sleep over it but once again, this is a discussion board. We're here to discuss things, so I'm giving my thoughts on the matter. If there is no discussion with differing opinions you don't have a discussion forum anymore, you have a collection of lists.
If you don't like what I say you don't have to read or reply to it.
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A rebadged car would have to be identical in everything except the badge itself, FR-S, GT86, BRZ all have different interior, different exterior styling, suspension settings ( different shocks/spring ).
FR-S doesn't have climate control and Multi Function Display for SatNav, while the other 2 have them. Equipment options should be different as well.
Who knows about the ECU tune from factory, even with same power output and same engine code, in real life, variation of ECU programming for differing fuel may lead to different power curve, meaning different driving characteristics.
There are so many we things that could be different, I don't know about the LSD installed on all 3 cars, but they might have different preload/settings as well specific to their factory tune. Wheel sizes differences also affect the car handling and acceleration, alignment also must be different for BRZ or the other 2.
Nissan Silvia S15 JDM market version has more power for instance, if compared to lesser power Australian domestic Nissan 200SX S15 that has different turbo, ECU tuning for lower RON fuel, and other mechanical changes. This happens to the same brand, same model.
FR-S doesn't have climate control and Multi Function Display for SatNav, while the other 2 have them. Equipment options should be different as well.
Who knows about the ECU tune from factory, even with same power output and same engine code, in real life, variation of ECU programming for differing fuel may lead to different power curve, meaning different driving characteristics.
There are so many we things that could be different, I don't know about the LSD installed on all 3 cars, but they might have different preload/settings as well specific to their factory tune. Wheel sizes differences also affect the car handling and acceleration, alignment also must be different for BRZ or the other 2.
Nissan Silvia S15 JDM market version has more power for instance, if compared to lesser power Australian domestic Nissan 200SX S15 that has different turbo, ECU tuning for lower RON fuel, and other mechanical changes. This happens to the same brand, same model.
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That's a very interesting (or excessively literal) definition of the term "rebadged."
Making minor changes to the suspension (that we don't know if GT5 will model), changing the front clip and headlight assemblies (which all are directly transferable from one to another in real life because they are identically shaped) and changing the gauge cluster colors (but not the guages themselves) doesn't mean it isn't a rebadged car. Changing the optional equipment available certainly doesn't either.
Silvia probably isn't the best example to bring up considering how "well" PD modeled the Silvia differences between regions in GT5 ("I'll take my 240SX with the SR20DET, thanks").
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The FR-S and the 86GT have the same engine (obviously), exhaust sound, gear ratios, suspension and LSD settings, weight/weight distribution in GT5. I don't know if there is mechanically more, hidden from public view in game, but these two cars appear to drive the same to me (but I have to admit I haven't tested them enough to appreciate very subtle differences if there are any).
There is more variety in driving behavior with the several MX5/Roadster/Miata "duplicates" that many seem to hate.
There is more variety in driving behavior with the several MX5/Roadster/Miata "duplicates" that many seem to hate.
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Maybe I was being too clear cut, most cars that I know of which have been rebadged, usually are identical mechanically, with only very slight styling differences, and they have identical interior, trim options. An example of this is Holden Nova and Toyota Corolla in Australian market, they look like a clone, which I called rebadge.
Game can only do so much to differentiate similar cars for different region, they have limitation to replicate such minor differences, which is why I don't fuss about FR-S, GT86 and BRZ might feel exactly the same.
Would I know the difference between Silvia S15 Varietta which has viscous LSD compared to S15 Spec R with helical LSD in GT5 ? Apart from power and suspension handling, how would someone know without being told firsthand about the differing LSD ?
Now if GT86, FR-S and BRZ have some minor differences in power curve, would a driver in game or real life know without being told ? Let's say I put in 95 RON fuel in GT86, and 98 RON fuel in FR-S, would they know and can tell it just from driving in the city ? I am curious myself to find out now
Game can only do so much to differentiate similar cars for different region, they have limitation to replicate such minor differences, which is why I don't fuss about FR-S, GT86 and BRZ might feel exactly the same.
Would I know the difference between Silvia S15 Varietta which has viscous LSD compared to S15 Spec R with helical LSD in GT5 ? Apart from power and suspension handling, how would someone know without being told firsthand about the differing LSD ?
Now if GT86, FR-S and BRZ have some minor differences in power curve, would a driver in game or real life know without being told ? Let's say I put in 95 RON fuel in GT86, and 98 RON fuel in FR-S, would they know and can tell it just from driving in the city ? I am curious myself to find out now
That's not really what I meant. I said to ignore or not to reply to my posts because you haven't really disagreed with my opinion, you've rather attempted to stifle negative opinions like mine altogether. You originally said
Now you can correct me If I'm wrong but that seems to me to basically be saying that unless I want those cars I shouldn't post about the DLC, I should just ignore it? That's not disagreeing with me, that's attempting to stop me posting my views. Like I say, correct me If i'm wrong.
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I did test (or drove/raced) them both a lot and have yet to find any noticeable difference apart from one being LHD and the other RHD (which does make a difference if you use cockpit view but isn't related to anything mechanically different obviously) and minor visual differences ofcourse, if there's indeed a subtle difference I'm not noticing then it's perhaps too subtle to even matter as mostly I can pick them out almost instantly.
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Wait, isn't the FR-S and GT86 identically similar in mechanical packaging? And if that's true, then we shouldn't be finding any difference beyond interior colors and badging.
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Does the Scion FR-S's ECU tuned for 100 RON fuel ? I am guessing the Toyota GT86 JDM market has the ECU tuned for 100 RON fuel, not sure about US market version, and these are of course in real life, not in game. The different ECU tune alone will make them drive differently in real life, different fuel consumption too.
In GT5, such minor differences might be very hard to catch or existed if at all.
In GT5, such minor differences might be very hard to catch or existed if at all.
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I did disagree with you opinion, but you did not quote that part of my post and you instead focused on something that wasn't the point of it. And I won't attempt to stop posting your views (I couldn't do that even if I wanted to), but I stand by what i wrote earlier: If you don't care about a certain car and won't buy it no matter what, why would you care how it's priced? Again, I don't want you to stop posting your opinion, I disagreed with something you said and now we are discussing it, which is, as you said before, what we are supposed to do on a forum.
Some things have been lost in context/text I guess. Hard to always understand what people mean in text. Anyway I don't care how much it's priced per se, I was posting more because I was confused WHY it costs what it does.
This is obviously not about the money, anyone can afford $3, for me it's about the quality of the content (Two are very questionable as to their real value) and it's cost versus other content.
I don't buy a lot of DLC at all but most of it is consistent in games. Car packs in the other game are all the same, all cars are equal. One car is always free. You can have your opinions on those cars, you can decide whether they're good value or not but you know exactly what you're getting. With PD you don't know how many cars you're getting, you don't know how much they're going to cost and how they're going to be packaged. When the content does arrive nobody is there to explain the different costs or different amount of cars. We can all make guesses as to why this is the case but until PD speak up they'll remain guesses.
So yes, my "issue" if you want to call it that isn't really with this specific DLC, it's with PD as a whole. I'm fed up of them, I'm fed up of the silence, the bizarre DLC delivery and quality, It's frustrating when like most of you I grew up on this franchise. Yes I know you can say that back in the day we never heard from them much either but that's because it wasn't a done thing and there wasn't the channels available. Now there is and they don't use any of them.
But like I said I won't lose sleep over it, it is after all only a video game, there are more important things in life to worry about. However I procrastinate a lot and come to this forum and post my views. It doesn't mean I'm a miserable person who finds everything negative, I really do want to find positives when I come here, it's just really hard. Just for the record I have absolutely nothing bad to say about the HSV. Nothing at all. Good new car, pennies to buy. Fine. I won't be buying it however.
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It seems the disspointment of the BRZ as a paid DLC is overshadowing even the GTR argument, and the excitement of a totally new JGTC car, in which I thought a lot of people wanted and asked for. I can understand why though.
Personally, I just view it more optimistically. The fact that we got the two previous versions free, then why not one of them at 99 cents. Basically, we get all three version for 99 cents in a way. I think PD wants those who modeled the previous two version to be rewarded a bit, since they were basically given out for free. That's one of the reasons why I will be personally buying it.
As for the rest, if you think it's not so much of a difference, then you shouldn't have to worry about not getting it then, right? Unless, you are a Subaru fan or something.
Personally, I just view it more optimistically. The fact that we got the two previous versions free, then why not one of them at 99 cents. Basically, we get all three version for 99 cents in a way. I think PD wants those who modeled the previous two version to be rewarded a bit, since they were basically given out for free. That's one of the reasons why I will be personally buying it.
As for the rest, if you think it's not so much of a difference, then you shouldn't have to worry about not getting it then, right? Unless, you are a Subaru fan or something.
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As for the HSV-010 I feel PD could have also offered a fictional/concept road version and/or a plain colored racing version (as with the Lexus IS-F racing concept).
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It would mean with the ability to paint (like the Lexus example you mentioned) you could create several versions and thus make more use of the actual DLC content.
Maybe it's just me but I don't have several examples of exactly the same racecar in my garage, one of each is enough for me, apart from cars like the Lexus and Zonda R which are paintable, I know it eventually boils down to the same thing apart from a lick of paint (I mean I can drive a single HSV as much as 4 different ones) but it would be nice to have this as an additional option perhaps (same goes for other racecars already included).
I'm guessing if eventually a livery editor arrives this will be less relevant if we can apply it on all cars that is (even those already sporting a livery or just offer a plain coloured version of each).
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