NEW DLC (TWIN RING MOTEGI & Scion FR-S'12)

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You know what makes me laugh, When folk start saying things like they have had plenty of time, Really how do we know what they (PD) are doing with there time, they may be busy on other matters than GT5 they only have a small staff roll compared to some other developers. Unless someone on this forum works for them and tells us what why and where then we really dont know didly squat. Its pure quess work. Only PD know.
 
That's fine, and I understand what you're saying. I didn't play Dirt 3 so I didn't know about that DLC but if it's as you describe it does sound ridiculous and I certainly wouldn't pay for that. Unfortunately that is the way gaming and DLC is moving towards. On one hand DLC was a great way to get extra content in games but now many developers have seen it as a great way to really make more money out of the consumers.

Nothing wrong with that of course, they're a business out to make as much money as they can at the end of the day but it would be nice if the odd 'genuine' dev still existed. I don't know any personally that don't have a less than ethical approach to DLC nowadays, with day 1 DLC, special pre-order DLC and DLC locked on disc being the worst. It's a shame really, but that's just how things are now.

To give you another idea of how bad it really could be: Street Fighter X Tekken. Not a Racing game obviously but alot of outrage came after some people found Extra Characthers already on the disc but not playable unless people actually payed for them via DLC. That's to me an example of whats the wrong way of doing DLC. We're lucky PD are nice enough to update the disc with the content and then charge what I find to be doable prices rather then have DLC from the start you actually get charged craploads for.

I wonder who decides on the pricing? Kaz? PD? Sony?

While the Developer (PD) is tasked with making the content, I believe it is the Publisher (Sony) that is responsible for the pricing. Probably worth guessing that SCEA decided the $5.99 pricing here while SCEE decided the UK's £3.99 Pricing.
 
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Thanks a lot. Perhaps in this sea of complaints it's hard to take anyone seriously but i was just asking a question...

Lightening the mood.

I hope this does carry over to 6, but so far, no promises.
 
Well with the premium cars we do have the quote from Kaz that said 60% of dev time for the entire game went on car modelling, so yes they obviously had data to start with but they still obviously spent a long, long time on them. Too long if you ask me, but that's another topic.

Well, we don't know if that 60% is in terms of actual development time, or just in terms of "man-hours", given the majority of the staff are modelers. The tracks took much longer, on a per-unit basis - it just happens there's a lot fewer of them than there are cars. :P
Well the way cars are modelled technically hasn't changed, they're still built with polys, it was just much easier to start again because of how they modelled them originally. If the standard cars were the same quality but made up of individual panels I don't know, maybe upgrading them is possible. But tracks aren't the same, they are obviously not one entire 'panel', rather a huge contstruction of polys/shapes etc. You can remove parts/add parts to a track model quite easily.

It's the exact same thing, though: the mesh for the terrain will be too low a resolution, needs replacing - same with the "ribbon" of track surface; the buildings, stands, barriers (if not modeled into the terrain mesh) spectators etc. may well be "modular", but they're still ground-up models in the same way the wheels on a Premium car are ground-up. Sure, there may be a lot of textures that can be re-used at a marginally higher resolution (which may be where a lot of the "recognition" comes from in the original tracks, for instance), but most of the modeling, the actual polygons, will have to be "new".
I agree port is not the best word and I don't think I personally used it, rather pointed out that they wouldn't have started from scratch modelling the track as they do with Spa, or in the future Bathurst.

But would you want them to start from scratch, if so much of the raw data is unchanged; wouldn't that just be a waste of time? It only takes a few days to collect the raw data, though; the modeling (including textures, AI stuff, etc.) is the hard part, and supposedly takes "months" (certainly weeks in "real time").


Suffice it to say, Motegi isn't one of my favourite track(s), and I'm not sure I'll be buying it myself at that price, either. It'll be in GT6 anyway, probably a straight port, mind you... :P
 
Assuming it's the same as 360 DLC, the publisher tells Sony how much they think the content is roughly worth, then Sony set's the final price. Sony obviously doesn't make the decision entirely on their own because they need to know how long it was worked on, how much it cost the developer etc.



See this is what I mean, PD must have some input. They can't just send Sony the content and say charge what you like, they have to have an idea of it's worth from PD. Otherwise what if hypothetically PD spent millions on a license for something then Sony came up with a price that didn't recoup that cost?
Sony owns PD, so Sony is also in charge of PDs money, and the prices of DLC. (By the way awesome work quoting into the future)
 
Any idea as what time the US PSN store will update? I'm pretty much good to go on money.
 
Just downloaded it.

Ok I see it now.


Turns out I misread the price for the US. Spa was $4.99 while TRM is $5.00. So actually, thats not even close to a price bump, its roughly the same.
 
A quick question:

Is this version of Motegi brand new modelled (PS3 quality, like Spa, Suzuka etc) or is it just a HD port like Laguna Seca?

If it is the latter one I won`t buy it.
 
Well with the premium cars we do have the quote from Kaz that said 60% of dev time for the entire game went on car modelling... ...they still obviously spent a long, long time on them. Too long if you ask me, but that's another topic.

Considering how long GT5 was in development it is possible that, at a certain point, the premium cars reached a level in quality and detail that forced the team to revise some of the already finished models. If you look at the dealership some premium cars still look more premium than others and we know some cars featured in older demos have been dropped, like the Impreza rally car for example.
 
Ok I see it now.


Turns out I misread the price for the US. Spa was $4.99 while TRM is $5.00. So actually, thats not even close to a price bump, its roughly the same.

Thing is, Spa is the most wanted track for GT, and its pack included the Space Kart tracks. Even though there are many variations, and TRM includes the SuperSpeedway, Spa seemed to offer more.
 
Thing is, Spa is the most wanted track for GT, and its pack included the Space Kart tracks. Even though there are many variations, and TRM includes the SuperSpeedway, Spa seemed to offer more.

I'm not really saying anything about what was more valuable, I'm just again putting in perspective the pricing.
 
Thank you for this video, but my laptop is pretty bad and I can`t tell how detailed that track is. It looks to me similar to Fujis level of detail, not on Nordschleife/Spa level.

Well, 5€ is alot of money for this rather unknown track with no singleplayer races to be raced on.

Im just curious, can people who don`t have this dlc join my online lobby when I select this track? I hope they can, I doubt that many gonna buy this one and I don`t want to be the forever alone meme at Motegi.
 
Thank you for this video, but my laptop is pretty bad and I can`t tell how detailed that track is. It looks to me similar to Fujis level of detail, not on Nordschleife/Spa level.

Well, 5€ is alot of money for this rather unknown track with no singleplayer races to be raced on.

Arcade mode ;)


Im just curious, can people who don`t have this dlc join my online lobby when I select this track? I hope they can, I doubt that many gonna buy this one and I don`t want to be the forever alone meme at Motegi.

Probably for a couple weeks yes.
 
Thank you for this video, but my laptop is pretty bad and I can`t tell how detailed that track is. It looks to me similar to Fujis level of detail, not on Nordschleife/Spa level.

Well, 5€ is alot of money for this rather unknown track with no singleplayer races to be raced on.

Im just curious, can people who don`t have this dlc join my online lobby when I select this track? I hope they can, I doubt that many gonna buy this one and I don`t want to be the forever alone meme at Motegi.

From memory, I'd say Fuji-level is about right. It probably doesn't help that there isn't a lot of "detail" in either real circuit, both being such modern tracks.
I don't know about online, I'd suspect it would be like Spa - but I also doubt you'll be alone.
 
Glitch at West Course. When trying to start a race online, the countdown stops right at 1. You cannot exit. Don't know if it's a one time glitch.
 
Wish I would have known you could get this already. Would have picked up a PSN card at walmart before I came home. I only have $3 in my PSN account. :(
 
There is a new dealership for Scion, which includes the FR-S for 30,000 credits. No other manufacturers have been added, so Spoon now sticks out at the end of the other manufacturers.
 
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