New Thrustmaster T-GT owner - quick review as former G29 user.

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Sander 001
There are many reviews on the wheels but something reviews rarely talk about is reliability. Reading quite a bit of T-GT user experiences and Thrustmaster overall as well and the reliability is not what it should be, especially for that price.

I’m considering a T-GT myself but I wouldn’t get one without a retailer’s extended hassle free warranty. Are consumer electronics protection good in Germany? I think the UK has good mandates. Or at least they used to.
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Regarding the reliability of wheels, all medium price range products (Logitech G29, Fanatec CSL Elite, Thrustmaster T300/T-GT) have serious reliability issues if you read these forums unfortunately. I've been lucky so far with my T500 and T-GT :nervous:.
 
Regarding the reliability issues, this is just my opinion, but it's one that is based on a lot of reading through forums like this one and a ton of reviews before I purchased my T300 GT Edition...

I think a bulk of the reliability issues are due to max torque settings being set too high for Thrustmaster wheels. From what I hear the T300 is quite a bit stronger than the T150 as well as the Logitech wheels. I think the same is true for the TGT. That doesn't excuse the motors burning up, because why have such a strong setting if the servo can't handle the load? Either way, if you can manage with a low max torque setting, this would probably be best for reliability and longevity in any case.

Also remember that the people who have the issues are the ones who complain the loudest and most often. Not that they shouldn't, but try to envision the thousands of satisfied customers that have never made a peep about how satisfied they are. Maybe I'll eat my words some day when my wheel craps the bed, but until then I'm extremely happy with the purchase and can only dream of how wonderful the TGT must feel.
 
FPV MIC
Regarding the reliability of wheels, all medium price range products (Logitech G29, Fanatec CSL Elite, Thrustmaster T300/T-GT) have serious reliability issues if you read these forums unfortunately. I've been lucky so far with my T500 and T-GT :nervous:.
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I have read these and other forums and Logitech products are very frequently praised for their durability, including the G29. And I have read enough that I am also convinced that the CSL is far more reliable as well.
 
To demonstrate how far PD have gone to screwing over their customers, consider the previous games' 'official' wheel...

The Logitech DFGT. Controls specifically set up well for GT5/6. FFB set up for that wheel. Available for $200.

Now we get the official wheel as an $800 boondoggle that works poorly with other games.

For a $70 game.

You are being played. By experts.
 
mh, it's not getting any easier but reg reliability my PWTS is eight years old, never had an issue and I'm a regular GT Player/Racer. I had to replace the load cell once on my pedals. I would say Fanatec is very reliable. But on the other hand - GT Sports related - the CSL Elite is not yet as well integrated as promised
 
simsimsheree
To demonstrate how far PD have gone to screwing over their customers, consider the previous games' 'official' wheel...

The Logitech DFGT. Controls specifically set up well for GT5/6. FFB set up for that wheel. Available for $200.

Now we get the official wheel as an $800 boondoggle that works poorly with other games.

For a $70 game.

You are being played. By experts.
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Could you describe how does the T-GT work poorly in other games, for example in Assetto Corsa or in PCars2? I was in assumption that it would work like Thrustmaster T300RS / T500.
 
Sander 001
I have read these and other forums and Logitech products are very frequently praised for their durability, including the G29. And I have read enough that I am also convinced that the CSL is far more reliable as well.
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You mustn't of read the same ones I do. The higher end Fanatec gear seems to have less issues but I've lost count of how many CSL elite's I've read about having off centre issues straight out of the box, and the G29 is far less reliable than it's DFGT/G25/G27 predecessors (which were pretty much bullit proof). T300's overheat when used with high FFB, and have random button press issues (also an issue with G29's). The T-GT's have mainly had pedal issues and the odd transducer failure. So all in all, I still think all these mid range wheels are not as reliable as they should be for the money we pay.
simsimsheree
To demonstrate how far PD have gone to screwing over their customers, consider the previous games' 'official' wheel...

The Logitech DFGT. Controls specifically set up well for GT5/6. FFB set up for that wheel. Available for $200.

Now we get the official wheel as an $800 boondoggle that works poorly with other games.

For a $70 game.

You are being played. By experts.
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Wasn't GT6's official wheel the T500? Also, I'm not sure why you think the T-GT works poorly on other games. Is it over priced, maybe, and does it have 'Gt Sport only' features, well yes, but it is still works very well with other games.
 
I am happy for you all having a great time with the new wheel, I am also thinking to make the change from my G29, but first I am curious if the new wheel gave you faster lap times.
I can not test the wheel before I buy it and better lap times is the only reason I would make that change, so I want to know it from you. So, do the change gave you better lap times ?
 
ramurel
I am happy for you all having a great time with the new wheel, I am also thinking to make the change from my G29, but first I am curious if the new wheel gave you faster lap times.
I can not test the wheel before I buy it and better lap times is the only reason I would make that change, so I want to know it from you. So, do the change gave you better lap times ?
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No, not for me.
 
CJ1045
They are hugely different prices!!! If I had not got a T300 for a great price second hand then G29 would be top of very short list.

CJ
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Yeah £500-600 is not something I could justify, despite god like performances in GT Sport (DR B SR A). It just made it sound really pants.
 
FPV MIC
Regarding the reliability of wheels, all medium price range products (Logitech G29, Fanatec CSL Elite, Thrustmaster T300/T-GT) have serious reliability issues if you read these forums unfortunately. I've been lucky so far with my T500 and T-GT :nervous:.
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In my own research primarily the T300/ TX have the most issues. Primarily caused by the internal power supply. This causes extra heat in the wheelbase.
In a lesser extent the T-GT have issues with the pedals (probably bad QC on the metal pedalarms combined with pot meter). The CSL has some issues with calibration (perhaps faulty or dirty optical sensor). G29 issues are very rare, but mostly solved by using canned air to clean pot meters or clean switches (button press issues). With each case easily solved by contacting customer service. It should not withhold anybody from buying any of these.

Sander 001
There are many reviews on the wheels but something reviews rarely talk about is reliability. Reading quite a bit of T-GT user experiences and Thrustmaster overall as well and the reliability is not what it should be, especially for that price.

I’m considering a T-GT myself but I wouldn’t get one without a retailer’s extended hassle free warranty. Are consumer electronics protection good in Germany? I think the UK has good mandates. Or at least they used to.
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EU 2 years is mandatory. Also online consumer purchases are protected very well. companies like Amazon provide x day returns, no questions asked. The main innovatuion of the new generation TM wheels, is the imbedded cooling on the motor. As far as I know, I haven't found any fails in this part.

BigJimmy
Yeah £500-600 is not something I could justify, despite god like performances in GT Sport (DR B SR A). It just made it sound really pants.
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Tm has a sale once in a while. I bought the wheel at the TM official webshop with 25% off. Earlier this year there was 20% off. At around € 600 the wheel is still expensive, but more adequately priced. If not for the discount I would have purchased the CSL elite, which has overtaken the T300 as best bang for the buck in my opinion. At € 800 you might as well buy a CSW v2.5 with drivehub. As far as non DD wheels, this is the best you can get.

LiberFriso
As far as I know you would need this device http://www.basherboards.com/CPX
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He is sold out and it is unknown when the new version comes out. I had 2 of them, but I recently sold the other one. The other solution is to apply a loadcell brake mod. Bodinsolutions are constantly out of stock, but this one from the Netherlands makes them: www.loadcellmod.com for the regular T3Pa and T3pGT pedals. There is also a UK guy who makes them, but you will need to google that.
I have them and it works great! You loose travel, but after a few hours muscle memory kicked in and it works great. You also keep the warranty on your pedals.

I now use CSL LC's which are far better though. I love it you can change the travel and feel of the brake, without using tools.

BigJimmy
Presses complete order on a purchase of a G29. Reads OP....... :(
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Just try the wheel. It still is a good wheel. Then decide if you want to upgrade to diiferent, rims, shifter, handbrake pedals. If you do plan in investing more choose either Fanatec or TM. Both have elaborate ecosystems to upgrade in.
 
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simsimsheree
To demonstrate how far PD have gone to screwing over their customers, consider the previous games' 'official' wheel...

The Logitech DFGT. Controls specifically set up well for GT5/6. FFB set up for that wheel. Available for $200.

Now we get the official wheel as an $800 boondoggle that works poorly with other games.

For a $70 game.

You are being played. By experts.
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T500 was the official GT5 wheel. You have a t-gt? in what other games it performes poorly? I bet your are just an idiot LOL
 
user3392345
T500 was the official GT5 wheel. You have a t-gt? in what other games it performes poorly? I bet your are just an idiot LOL
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The DFGT was also the official wheel. It was Logitech's decision to discontinue the wheel and the reason why it isn't supported in GTsport. I believe per agreement GT sport could have been obliged to support it. (being an official GT wheel)

And nobody is being played here. It is everyone's own responsibility to do research and purchase a product.
 
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PocketZeven
In my own research primarily the T300/ TX have the most issues. Primarily caused by the internal power supply. This causes extra heat in the wheelbase.
In a lesser extent the T-GT have issues with the pedals (probably bad QC on the metal pedalarms combined with pot meter). The CSL has some issues with calibration (perhaps faulty or dirty optical sensor). G29 issues are very rare, but mostly solved by using canned air to clean pot meters or clean switches (button press issues). With each case easily solved by contacting customer service. It should not withhold anybody from buying any of these.
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My reply was more about the mention of Thrustmaster and the T-GT having issues when clearly they're not the only ones. Did you miss this below? Because that's pretty much what I said.
FPV MIC
You mustn't of read the same ones I do. The higher end Fanatec gear seems to have less issues but I've lost count of how many CSL elite's I've read about having off centre issues straight out of the box, and the G29 is far less reliable than it's DFGT/G25/G27 predecessors (which were pretty much bullit proof). T300's overheat when used with high FFB, and have random button press issues (also an issue with G29's). The T-GT's have mainly had pedal issues and the odd transducer failure. So all in all, I still think all these mid range wheels are not as reliable as they should be for the money we pay.
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Also, it's has been faulty sensors as well as dirty sensors for the Elite, and internal wires breaking on the G29. My point still stands though, all mid range wheels have issues.... but I still wouldn't go without one :).
 
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Yeah all wheels can develop issues, nothing is bulletproof, not even direct drive wheels. But I have seen and continue to see that Thrustmaster develop issues at a much faster frequency than any other manufacturer.
 
Considering the T-GT is three times the price of a G29, I don't see how this warranted a comparison? From your review it seems like you paid an outrageous amount of money for a hardware and ended up getting software improvements.
 
My T500 has started to feel a bit clunky. This is the beginning of the end? I have like a week of warranty left :ill:

I've drooled the T-GT for a bit but if my previous TM is starting to break down after ~200h of use, not gonna buy nothing from them again..

There's a thousand thrustmaster-threads on this forum so I'm just typing it here.
 
GTFraker
Considering the T-GT is three times the price of a G29, I don't see how this warranted a comparison? From your review it seems like you paid an outrageous amount of money for a hardware and ended up getting software improvements.
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No. I feel like the price has created a lot of negativity around this wheel, but people really know very little about it.

I've only had 2 hours with my TGT and there is no hardware comparison, none. The wheel base alone weighs twice as much as the G29. The two wheels are not in competition, the price points are miles apart, the OP is just talking about the differences coming from one to the other, or at least that's how I read it.

TGT wheel base construction is nothing like the other Thrustmaster wheels, either. I don't have time (and I've not used the wheel enough yet) to talk about the TGT in detail, but my initial impressions are extremely positive and I have no problem with paying about twice the going rate ($450) compared to a G29 ($225), the TGT is orders of magnitude better in construction and operation.

Is it worth it if you had to pay full $800 retail? I won't be able to answer that, because I don't have another wheel in that price range to compare it to. I do plan on trying to explain what makes it so expensive, and point out a couple things that should be better for the price.
 
superwally
No. I feel like the price has created a lot of negativity around this wheel, but people really know very little about it.

I've only had 2 hours with my TGT and there is no hardware comparison, none. The wheel base alone weighs twice as much as the G29. The two wheels are not in competition, the price points are miles apart, the OP is just talking about the differences coming from one to the other, or at least that's how I read it.

TGT wheel base construction is nothing like the other Thrustmaster wheels, either. I don't have time (and I've not used the wheel enough yet) to talk about the TGT in detail, but my initial impressions are extremely positive and I have no problem with paying about twice the going rate ($450) compared to a G29 ($225), the TGT is orders of magnitude better in construction and operation.

Is it worth it if you had to pay full $800 retail? I won't be able to answer that, because I don't have another wheel in that price range to compare it to. I do plan on trying to explain what makes it so expensive, and point out a couple things that should be better for the price.
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If I were to upgrade my G29 to a T-GT I would have to cough up over three times the price I paid for my G29, which makes the two incomparable.
 
Just to give you some perspective of a market outside the US...

I paid about $300 usd for my ps4 back in 2014, this was a decent price.

I paid about $25 usd for my copy of GTS, also decent.

The G29 wheel is about $250usd here same price as the new TMX Pro.

The TGT is a massive $900 here. I dont know why but it better shine my shoes for that much.

They should be making a TMX Pro for ps4 for $250.

GTS is a good game but not $900 good.
 
FPV MIC
My reply was more about the mention of Thrustmaster and the T-GT having issues when clearly they're not the only ones. Did you miss this below? Because that's pretty much what I said.

Also, it's has been faulty sensors as well as dirty sensors for the Elite, and internal wires breaking on the G29. My point still stands though, all mid range wheels have issues.... but I still wouldn't go without one :).
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You are absolutely right. My point was that the issues TM had with the t300/tx are mostly fixed in the ts-pc/xw/gt wheels, which were primarily powersupply and cooling related. Sadly any mass produced product will have lemons. The main thing is everybody has his own budget and luckily each budget has enough choices.
 
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super_gt
And the first thing that comes to my mind is dual belt drive.
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Actually the innovation in the new thrustmaster wheels is they have a fan engineered on the motor. It is actually quite innovative (not best thing since sliced bread, but still..). That removes the need for a large heatsink. Also the DFB feature is also underrated a lot. Yes it is only supported in one game. But I like to see such innovations in future wheels. I spoke with people from Drivehub a while ago and the reason the drivehub cant support the T-GT in GT mode is because the usb connection has 2 signals. One of them is audio, which the Drivehub can't process I guess.

So I do agree with a lot people that it is a bad move not to have support with other games. It would definitely warrant the high pricetag a lot more and more important for TM will sell a lot more wheels. The feature is a lot more detailed then any rumble motor can provide.
 

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