New TT34 & DT34

[Ridox2JZGTE]

I understand how some drivers in GTP feels about using aids just to be able to stay on top ranks in leaderboard or to level with the top drivers, i respect the decision, but please do not forget the true purpose of TT is to beat yourself, to know your limits, and to get better, not to follow suit others who choose the low road of using aids just to squeeze that last seconds or tenths. Hope you guys understand what I've said, being competitive with yourself is different than being competitive with others. Thus why I really want PD to give options to group rankings based on aids and tire types. So those drivers who wanted to find limits of themselves can find their own playing field which is equal in all terms, for instance, no aids at all and racing hard rankings, or ABS only rankings

Right now, I don't fuss myself with top 250 rankings, as my goal is to find out how quick my lap times within my own choice of play style, no mods to race cars, no settings changes, no aids, including ABS and only RH tires. My times for both are slow, probably not even within top 1000, but I'm still proud of them, as I fought hard for them without resorting to aids or RS.

 

[GTmaniac]

👎....for amo. shame on him really....👎

 

[PR1VATEJ0KER]

I didn't see Amo's lap, is there a cut or something?

 

[GTmaniac]

I didn't see Amo's lap, is there a cut or something?

wall bang

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

I didn't see it either.

 

[Fobia]

Desperation for win always results in seasonals beeing ruined.
I'm sorry but that's it. I liked this TT up untill P1 used dirty oil, realised that from there on it'll all become who can bend the rules the most and that's when seasonal TTs lose their appeal, at least to me.
That's the sole reason I never take these TTs seriously and that's why I like WRS. Shame this week's combo is awful... I expected arcade mode. :I

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

Desperation for win always results in seasonals beeing ruined.
I'm sorry but that's it. I liked this TT up untill P1 used dirty oil, realised that from there on it'll all become who can bend the rules the most and that's when seasonal TTs lose their appeal, at least to me.
That's the sole reason I never take these TTs seriously and that's why I like WRS. Shame this week's combo is awful... I expected arcade mode. :I

I agree with you up until the point about the dirty oil. I fail to see where that is a cheat, a glitch, or anything else. You get a car and just never change the oil, big deal. Nowhere in the regulations does it say you have to change your oil. The only reason WRS does it is because they realize not everyone is going to have a car laying around with 10,000 miles on it. Yes, maybe PD should do the same but until they do, its fair game. Same thing with the assists and tire selection. Everyone has the same opportunity to use them.

 

[Fobia]

I agree with you up until the point about the dirty oil. I fail to see where that is a cheat, a glitch, or anything else. You get a car and just never change the oil, big deal. Nowhere in the regulations does it say you have to change your oil. The only reason WRS does it is because they realize not everyone is going to have a car laying around with 10,000 miles on it. Yes, maybe PD should do the same but until they do, its fair game. Same thing with the assists and tire selection. Everyone has the same opportunity to use them.

It's an exploit, a loophole in the PP system and it gives you more horsepower.
As for active steering I have nothing against that, since it doesn't give you an unfair advantage.
I'm not calling people with red oil cheaters but I'm just saying that it's an exploit and a drastic measure in my book.
Hence my congrats to Zoky, Mike and Ron for doing everything clean and green. 👍

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

It's an exploit, a loophole in the PP system and it gives you more horsepower.
As for active steering I have nothing against that, since it doesn't give you an unfair advantage.
I'm not calling people with red oil cheaters but I'm just saying that it's an exploit and a drastic measure in my book.
Hence my congrats to Zoky, Mike and Ron for doing everything clean and green. 👍

Yes, I know what it is and what it does. And although it may be a loophole it is still there for everyone to take advantage of if they feel inclined to do so. I'm not trying to start anything here with you but in your previous post you just made it sound like the dirty oil change was a cheat. A loophole, yes. A cheat, no. I understand your feelings now. This ends my part of the discussion. Gotta go to physical therepy now. Have a good day/night everyone. Peace.

 

[AnTiheLT]

How can it give more horse power when running with dirty oil ? Sounds weird lol

 

[PR1VATEJ0KER]

Double Post

 

[PR1VATEJ0KER]

How can it give more horse power when running with dirty oil ? Sounds weird lol

Having Dirty Oil reduces power, accordingly PP is reduced.
But when you have dirty oil, the PP is lowered excessively in comparison to if you had simply limited your engine to the reduced power.

This provides a small exploit because the extra lost PP can be regained by limiting the engine a little less.

So dirty oil only allows extra power under the flawed PP System.

It goes like this.
Clean Oil-No Tuning
1000kg, 500hp, 500PP

Clean Oil- Detuned
1000kg, 496hp, 496PP

Dirty Oil- No Tuning
1000kg, 496hp, 492PP

Dirty Oil- Tuned
1000kg, 504hp,500PP

 

[arora]

Dirty driving has absolutely nothing in common with using aids, hard to believe this generation of gt'rs are so accepting of it tbh. PD needs to implement a working penalty or dq system as dirty driving completely ruined the last U.S. academy 👎

As for aids, we've discussed that at length before and whatever restrictions the comp has, that's the rule you follow, hopefully we'll see some tt's with all that jazz forced off.

 

[Usual Suspect]

Lucky me a new 2J appeared today on my OCD with 5000km. Didn´t change oil because of what i read here.

With Mike´s tune 👍 here they are:

Dirty oil

Changed oil

P.S Cico, what car do you want me to share

 

[roflcoptor]

Having Dirty Oil reduces power, accordingly PP is reduced.
But when you have dirty oil, the PP is lowered excessively in comparison to if you had simply limited your engine to the reduced power.

This provides a small exploit because the extra lost PP can be regained by limiting the engine a little less.

So dirty oil only allows extra power under the flawed PP System.

It goes like this.
Clean Oil-No Tuning
1000kg, 500hp, 500PP

Clean Oil- Detuned
1000kg, 496hp, 496PP

Dirty Oil- No Tuning
1000kg, 496hp, 492PP

Dirty Oil- Tuned
1000kg, 504hp,500PP

Lucky me a 2J appeared today on my OCD with 5000km. Didn´t change oil because of what i read here.

With Mike´s tune 👍 here they are:

Dirty oil

Changed oil

P.S Cico, what car do you want me to share

Surely the Torque figures are also affected...? Any info?

 

[Usual Suspect]

With Dirty oil - 1,81Kg/Cv (with a binary of 71.4Kgm)


With Changed oil - 1,82Kg/Cv (with a binary of 73.9Kgm)

 

[roflcoptor]

With Dirty oil - 1,81Kg/Cv (with a binary of 71.4Kgm)

With Changed oil - 1,82Kg/Cv (with a binary of 73.9Kgm)

Thanks! 👍

So, for any given PP value:

New oil gives less BHP but more Torque

Old oil gives more BHP but less Torque

I can now see that some circuits may benefit from old oil, and some will benefit from new oil.

 

[arora]

If you are facing a pp limit it's usually best to use whatever setup that yields the highest hp, if it's an hp limit then dirty oil, fixed turbo's or na tunes, etc and you can gain torque to go along with the set hp.

 

[billers]

Finally bettered my time and now down to a 1.53.899 with a few more tweaks, hope there maybe a bit more but my talents running low! Lol.

Onto assists, anything that is genuine is within the 'laws'. Srf and active steering are not right imo, it's nothing that is remotely real! Some people say that about the racing soft tyres, but at least they can be compared to super soft qualifying tyres! In tts tcs and abs should be allowed as they're real, anything else is a joke IMO. I thought gt5 was the 'real' driving simulator!!

 

[hofman]

Still not getting further then 18k points @ Route 5 with the ER34.
Who's gotta better ride cause I don't wanna drift a Toyota 7..

 

[Mr P]

Interesting findings guys! Thanks for posting Usual Suspect and Private Joker 👍 I have been running Bspec for the last 16 hrs in the 2j for the record, completed the Tsukuba 9hr in 1st place... The Indy 500 in last place as my gears were still set up for Tsukuba and finally I just started on the Nurb 4hr and my oil is still not dead

Looks like I will be Bspec ing for the next week or 2 until I earn myself a competitive car

Good discussion in here chaps

 

[z06fun]

Having Dirty Oil reduces power, accordingly PP is reduced.
But when you have dirty oil, the PP is lowered excessively in comparison to if you had simply limited your engine to the reduced power.

This provides a small exploit because the extra lost PP can be regained by limiting the engine a little less.

So dirty oil only allows extra power under the flawed PP System.

It goes like this.
Clean Oil-No Tuning
1000kg, 500hp, 500PP

Clean Oil- Detuned
1000kg, 496hp, 496PP

Dirty Oil- No Tuning
1000kg, 496hp, 492PP

Dirty Oil- Tuned
1000kg, 504hp,500PP

The reason for this is that PP is not based purely on the peak hp on the hp curve, but rather the area under the hp curve. So, at a given PP, cars with a flat torque curve tend to have a peak hp advantage over cars with a downward sloping torque curve. Using hp limiter in tuning tends to give a downward sloping torque curve, so the less you have to limit it, the better under the PP system (assuming you can set the tranny to operate right around the hp peak).

In real life, area under the hp curve can be very important, often more important than peak hp for engines with very little little end torque running over a wide rpm range. So the PP system would still be flawed if it only looked at peak hp, and they made a trade off in the PP calculation of looking at area under the curve.

 

[daft biker]

Still not getting further then 18k points @ Route 5 with the ER34.
Who's gotta better ride cause I don't wanna drift a Toyota 7..

Got an Esperante?

 

[Doodle]

wall bang

I don't see what's wrong with a wall bang. If it doesn't get DQ'd, then it counts.

 

[hofman]

Got an Esperante?

No. I'm trying a Toyota Nascar right now, hoping for 20k+ 👍

 

[Mr P]

I don't see what's wrong with a wall bang. If it doesn't get DQ'd, then it counts.

Nice view

 

[Usual Suspect]

Interesting findings guys! Thanks for posting Usual Suspect and Private Joker 👍 I have been running Bspec for the last 16 hrs in the 2j for the record, completed the Tsukuba 9hr in 1st place... The Indy 500 in last place as my gears were still set up for Tsukuba and finally I just started on the Nurb 4hr and my oil is still not dead

Looks like I will be Bspec ing for the next week or 2 until I earn myself a competitive car

Good discussion in here chaps

Do you want to use mine, it´s for share as Cico just found out one on his OCD 👍

 

[arora]

Maybe pd should implement a 'dirty' filter on the result page

Seriously though doodle, I have seen pd take laps like that off the boards before, once they are alerted to them, in the academy it was so bad they had to wipe the board clean and start over a new.

It's not ok to wallbang ffs

 

[Mr P]

Do you want to use mine, it´s for share as Cico just found out one on his OCD 👍

Thanks for the offer mate! still another 2 hours for this Enduro to end and will see what happens from there... I might have to take you up on the offer though if I want to run with dead oil before the end of this seasonal

Cheers mate, will send a FR from my mysteron71 account to you now

 

[Doodle]

Maybe pd should implement a 'dirty' filter on the result page

Seriously though doodle, I have seen pd take laps like that off the boards before, once they are alerted to them, in the academy it was so bad they had to wipe the board clean and start over a new.

It's not ok to wallbang ffs

No, I would never approve of that in GTAcademy or the WRS. These time trials just for fun and I dont see anything wrong doing wall bounces here.