North Korea Problems: President Clinton in Pyongyang
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I read about this too, but this just stops the matter from escalating. And in my controversial opinion, I don't know if it's a good thing. By North Korea pushing the envelope over the edge, finally, just maybe, something would've been done to fix the problem.
North Korea agreeing to return to the talks, while this is the most sincere they've sounded in a looong time, probably won't get us anywhere. If my memory serves, when we did have the talks, all North Koreans did was say no to everything and threaten to leave the talks.
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Rumblings from North Korea (DPRK) are taking a turn for the worse - just days after successfully testing another nuclear weapon (albeit with equivalent power to 1940's technology), and after conducting several missile tests in recent weeks, North Korea have restared a nuclear reactor and have threatened military action in retaliation for US and Japanese attempts to intercept ships destined for ports in North Korea.
Relations between the DPRK and the rest of the six-way talks nations (US, Japan, China, Russia and South Korea) have floundered ever since DPRK attempted (and failed) to 'launch a satellite' (purportedly to broadcast patriotic music!), although it is widely suspected that this was actually a missile test. North Korean spokesmen have retorted strongly to international criticism (particularly that of the US and Japan), but some analysts believe that the extremely negative reaction from North Korea is possibly due to a power struggle within DPRK as Kim Jong-Il's health is deteriorating. In any case, DPRK have now permanently pulled out of multilateral talks, and days after demonstrating their nuclear capability, they are now talking about going to war with the South...
A conflict in Korea would be a disaster, but DPRK are in clear breach of UN resolutions - but are they about to call the bluff of the world's superpowers? What can anyone do if the DPRK decided to attack Seoul?
Relations between the DPRK and the rest of the six-way talks nations (US, Japan, China, Russia and South Korea) have floundered ever since DPRK attempted (and failed) to 'launch a satellite' (purportedly to broadcast patriotic music!), although it is widely suspected that this was actually a missile test. North Korean spokesmen have retorted strongly to international criticism (particularly that of the US and Japan), but some analysts believe that the extremely negative reaction from North Korea is possibly due to a power struggle within DPRK as Kim Jong-Il's health is deteriorating. In any case, DPRK have now permanently pulled out of multilateral talks, and days after demonstrating their nuclear capability, they are now talking about going to war with the South...
A conflict in Korea would be a disaster, but DPRK are in clear breach of UN resolutions - but are they about to call the bluff of the world's superpowers? What can anyone do if the DPRK decided to attack Seoul?
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The problem with North Korea is that they have artillery that could rain down on the Republic and on Japan. Military action could be unwise, especially since they've built their army into the world's 5th largest (that seems to be the only available job there after all).
However, I imagine the RoK and the Japanese would make quick work of Pyongyang if Kim's circle was brazen enough to attack. They'd have to go into full-on war mode, so forget about GT5. The wildcard is the nuclear weaponry... 1940s technology or not, it's still enough to kill millions of people in the densely populated asian cities.
However, I imagine the RoK and the Japanese would make quick work of Pyongyang if Kim's circle was brazen enough to attack. They'd have to go into full-on war mode, so forget about GT5. The wildcard is the nuclear weaponry... 1940s technology or not, it's still enough to kill millions of people in the densely populated asian cities.
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Maybe it's just me, but I'm not hearing much about these North Korea tests other than a small snippet occasionally on the news. If it was Iran doing these tests would we be hearing a lot more about it. I mean, they're testing Nuclear Weapons and Threatening Military action, yet from here, it seems to be a whole lot of 'meh'.
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The thing people forget is that it doesn't have a functioning delivery system that is all that threatening. Sure, they could wheel one out and run for the hills, but in full-blown-war, that isn't exactly constructive.
While the ROK and Japan have a lot to worry about in the form of artillery shells and short-range missiles, I still think the DPRK has a lot of talk, but no walk. They've got little to no fuel to move their army, they're running on technology that is no newer than the Soviet-issued crap of the 1970's, and I'm fairly certain that despite their numbers, the poor training of their military will have little in the way of the American-trained Koreans, and well... The Americans.
Its really all dependent on what Hu-Jintao wants to do.
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From what I've read, both Russia and China don't agree with their nuclear testing. China's military alone would make quick work of North Korea, even if we didn't join them in direct combat. Sure there's lots to be worried about, even though nuclear bomb technology is, well... old. But even if they did launch one, or take other military action, their surrounding military enemies (China, etc...) would make quick work of them.
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Poor training? All they do is train... NK has the (one of the) biggest special forces unit in the world. You're probably right about the fuel. But I'm sure they have enough to defend themselves. Regardless, they'll be lobbing arty until they run out of shells god forbid any kind of military action were to go down.
And when I was talking about nukes, I meant for the whole region, not just Kim. The japanese will have a delivery system all right. They might have gundams by the time this is over for all we know.
And when I was talking about nukes, I meant for the whole region, not just Kim. The japanese will have a delivery system all right. They might have gundams by the time this is over for all we know.
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It sounds to me like elaborate military posturing to me. I can't see what they intend to do, unimaginable merciless punishment sounds pretty severe, but they surely must know it will be their demise if this happens.
More over it sounds like a statement along the lines of: 'We have more nukes than you think we have, so stay away'.
I can't see them acting on it though, it seems more of a threat than anything.
More over it sounds like a statement along the lines of: 'We have more nukes than you think we have, so stay away'.
I can't see them acting on it though, it seems more of a threat than anything.
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Has anyone noticed that the South Korean President was "murdered" last week!
First they said it was an accident, then suicide, now they are looking for the people responsible.
He is mad enough to do something stupid!
I hope i'm wrong.
First they said it was an accident, then suicide, now they are looking for the people responsible.
He is mad enough to do something stupid!
I hope i'm wrong.
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It seems pretty clear that Roh committed suicide - he left a self-explanatory suicide note and seemingly had no shortage of reasons - even Kim Jong-Il expressed his condolences. Suicide is the fourth most common cause of death in South Korea, and it has one of the highest rates of suicide in the developed world. Of course, the conspiracy theorists will have a field day with this, but until someone comes up with some evidence to suggest otherwise, then suicide is the most plausible explanation at the moment...
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"The sinews of war are infinite money.", Cicero.
Those were the words of a wise mind,
Now follow the words of a mind 'wannabe' wise, so take this as wishful thinking.
When attacked, i think NK can defend itself pretty viciously, but
The only real threat North Korea poses as an aggressor are it's nukes i think.
They may have a large army, but how many will defect the minute they cross a border.
The country is starving, famine is commonplace, NK relies on (food, medicine) aid.
Though the military may have reserves, every soldier will know relatives who are much, much less fortunate.
They have heavy censorship, but that doesn't stop outside info from getting in, from getting out perhaps...
How can your supply lines be stretched when supplies are short anyway?
No, they may be capable of flying a nuke in, which is a catastrophic power indeed, and they have the idiot to do it. but they would never be able to invade anything imo.
Wrt to suicides, would that have anything to do with eastern honor?
I wonder what the rates in NK are...
I hope it made some sense....
Those were the words of a wise mind,
Now follow the words of a mind 'wannabe' wise, so take this as wishful thinking.
When attacked, i think NK can defend itself pretty viciously, but
The only real threat North Korea poses as an aggressor are it's nukes i think.
They may have a large army, but how many will defect the minute they cross a border.
The country is starving, famine is commonplace, NK relies on (food, medicine) aid.
Though the military may have reserves, every soldier will know relatives who are much, much less fortunate.
They have heavy censorship, but that doesn't stop outside info from getting in, from getting out perhaps...
How can your supply lines be stretched when supplies are short anyway?
No, they may be capable of flying a nuke in, which is a catastrophic power indeed, and they have the idiot to do it. but they would never be able to invade anything imo.
Wrt to suicides, would that have anything to do with eastern honor?
I wonder what the rates in NK are...
I hope it made some sense....
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They don't though. They have nuclear weapons, tiny ones, but no delivery system. Even their short-distance missiles, as I recall, cannot deliver a nuclear warhead.
Honor may not be the best word to describe it, but in East Asia in general, suicide is far more "acceptable" by comparison to the West. Japan too has a very high suicide rate, certainly part of the Bushido culture. As I recall, this has more to do with Confucian culture than anything else.
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I am thinking that they are feeling a bit arrogant at this moment.
Calling their bluff.
I really think / hope they know better than to do something totally stupid.They don't stand a snowballs chance in Hell of going up against the likes of China,or the U.S.
Calling their bluff.
I really think / hope they know better than to do something totally stupid.They don't stand a snowballs chance in Hell of going up against the likes of China,or the U.S.
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North Korea has a ton of artillery. I think the best move now is just to talk to their suppliers and cut them off. The soviets were scary as hell too, and they died under their own weight. I hope the USA doesn't get involved in yet more nationbuilding.
Oh, and the world needs more politicians like Mr. Roh.
Oh, and the world needs more politicians like Mr. Roh.
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Its all about physics and rocket science that I myself don't understand, and apparently they don't either, after the last FAIL tests they've had with their medium and long range delivery systems. Those weren't even carrying warheads and they barely made it 80 miles. But, since everyone seems to think that its "cool" to shoot it on a missile, everyone has to try to be cool and do it that way. Although my guess is that they don't have enough rickety planes to drop a duct-taped bomb if they needed to.
I heard this morning, again, that this nuke test yesterday was once again incredibly small. Something like a single kiloton, a tenth or so the size of the bombs we dropped on Japan in 1945. Still, a nuke is a nuke, and things go boom.
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They can't strap it to a rocket because they haven't figured out how to fly rockets any decent distance (though, I'm kinda surprised about that because they could probably get the necessary blueprints from the US). And they can't strap it to a plane because about 5 different countries would blow it out of the sky before it got out of NK.
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