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It's tumbling without any control. Great job again D(ER)PRK. đź‘Ť
North Korea, Sanctions, and Kim Jong-un
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It's tumbling without any control. Great job again D(ER)PRK. đź‘Ť
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I think you may have misunderstood my comment? We are talking about nuclear weapons in the hands of the North Korea versus United States.
And when I say "threaten", I'm talking about the crazy lingo North Korean leadership actually uses like "burn you with hellfire......". They might as well just come out and say that we will destroy you with a nuke.
Is it a really dumb political stunt? Sure, entirely possible. Does it matter? In Japan, we knew that USSR or China would never nuke us, not unless it was the doomsday scenario. Do we trust the crazy talking North Korea to show similar restraint? 🤬 that.
I'm glad that wherever you live, you can confidently claim that you trust North Korea with nukes. As someone who have family in country that is one of the top-2, if not #1, target for North Korea to destroy with hell-whatever-hot fire, I can confidently say that no, North Korea has absolutely no right to arm themselves with nuke until they start displaying complete stability in their household, stop threatening to destroy us, and finally, stop acting like a gigantic prison camp.
As for your comment, I'm not sure what you are referring to, but if you are talking about arming Iran with nukes, I completely understand the logic of the United States & Israel. Iran, nothing against the Iranian people, but they use the similar lingo North Koreans speak. If I was a Jew and this neighboring nation that suggests that Israel should be erased, I'd support most anything Israel & U.S. might try in preventing the Iranians from obtaining a nuclear weapon.
Not fair? 🤬 fair.
Let Iranians & North Koreans trade places with U.S. and how do you think they'll handle this? 
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I'd like to point out, a6, that Israel's existence has always been threatened by her neighbors since it's creation as a state. So the Iranian talk of Israeli destruction isn't anything new to them. In fact, they like to use it to reap support from America.
The only difference is that Iran with nukes is an even more imposing threat. However, I'd also like to point out that unlike the Derp Korea, Iran actually has an industry going for them (natural gas and oil) and they don't have to counterfeit American currency to fool international vendors. So they do have something to lose in terms of sustenance. In this case, having a nuke as deterrence is probably their main goal.
The Israelis though won't like that advantage taken away.
Back to the Koreans, I just remembered that we have a fighter jet launched anti-satellite missile, and suppose it tumbles back down to Earth and is heading to 'Murica...Practice anyone?
The only difference is that Iran with nukes is an even more imposing threat. However, I'd also like to point out that unlike the Derp Korea, Iran actually has an industry going for them (natural gas and oil) and they don't have to counterfeit American currency to fool international vendors. So they do have something to lose in terms of sustenance. In this case, having a nuke as deterrence is probably their main goal.
The Israelis though won't like that advantage taken away.
Back to the Koreans, I just remembered that we have a fighter jet launched anti-satellite missile, and suppose it tumbles back down to Earth and is heading to 'Murica...Practice anyone?
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Whereas if I was Iranian, and one day my friends in Palestine were told that they don't live there anymore by some colonials across the other side of the world and that island country which used to own us, and had an arbitrary line drawn through my Palestinian friends' territory, I'd be perfectly fine with that.
As an Iranian, I'd also be perfectly fine with having the people who helped evict my friends in Palestine invade my country and overthrow my Government and give us an imaginary King. In fact, I'd be so happy, I would allow this to happen right up until 1979.
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I understand that it is business as usual for Israel, but that threat would now be backed with a nuke. If it wan't for Iran verbally threatening the existence of Israel, I honestly wouldn't have seen anything wrong with Iran equipping themselves with nukes. I realize it's not the same thing, but lets say I'm butting heads with someone at work. If he's criticizing me, giving me dirty looks, I would still support his right to own guns, knives, no problem. But as soon as he goes "I'm going to kill you", I don't care if you don't mean it, you just lost any right you had to arm yourself.
We all know Israeli has nukes. While I don't like any nations arming themselves with nukes, I'm certain that Israel would only use it in a self-defense scenario. Kind of like with the reference I made about the USSR & China of Cold War Era & Doomsday.
If I was a betting man, I'd bet against North Korea or Iran ever using nukes. But I really don't care if the odds are against crazy man using a gun to shoot me. As soon as he threaten to kill me, Police should take his guns away.
I apologize for my ignorance, but even till this day, I don't understand the Israel/Palestinian history or their politics. Simply, I have no idea what you are trying to tell me.
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The UK and the US decided that Palestine was where the Jewish homeland would be. Palestine, still ruled by the British at this point, was only too happy to accept this, until they drew up new borders, called the new land Israel and the Palestine people lost all sovereignty and recognition.
Later in the 1950s, the UK and US decides to overthrow the Iranian Government and install someone who they could negotiate juicy oil contracts with. Obviously the Iranian people didn't take too kindly to being told what to do by an Anglo-American puppet, so they overthrew him in 1979 and went completely the other way and installed an autocratic theocracy which was by Iranians, for Iranians.
If I was Iran, and the countries I didn't like/didn't like me all had nuclear weapons, how am I supposed to defend myself? That's right. Get some of my own. Make things equal.
Put simply, they're all as bad as each other. If we have nuclear weapons, we can't bitch that our enemies have them too. Hypothetically imagine that Iran, the former USSR and North Korea all have lots of nuclear weapons and the United States, the United Kingdom and the rest of NATO had none at all. You're damn right we're gonna do something about it.
Don't get me wrong, Iran and Israel both have done terrible things and have terrible laws, but it's not entirely all their own fault. We, the Western powers, have played a huge role in it. The same goes for a lot of African dictatorships, which we oddly ignore and do nothing about. Wonder why (?)
Later in the 1950s, the UK and US decides to overthrow the Iranian Government and install someone who they could negotiate juicy oil contracts with. Obviously the Iranian people didn't take too kindly to being told what to do by an Anglo-American puppet, so they overthrew him in 1979 and went completely the other way and installed an autocratic theocracy which was by Iranians, for Iranians.
If I was Iran, and the countries I didn't like/didn't like me all had nuclear weapons, how am I supposed to defend myself? That's right. Get some of my own. Make things equal.
Put simply, they're all as bad as each other. If we have nuclear weapons, we can't bitch that our enemies have them too. Hypothetically imagine that Iran, the former USSR and North Korea all have lots of nuclear weapons and the United States, the United Kingdom and the rest of NATO had none at all. You're damn right we're gonna do something about it.
Don't get me wrong, Iran and Israel both have done terrible things and have terrible laws, but it's not entirely all their own fault. We, the Western powers, have played a huge role in it. The same goes for a lot of African dictatorships, which we oddly ignore and do nothing about. Wonder why (?)
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That's kind of where Iran and North Korea are, except Iran's leader is a deceptive, cunning man with a long white beard, and North Korea's leader is a few sandwiches short of a picnic.
Because he ate them all, leaving none left for anyone else.
Just try and look at it from their point of view. Regardless of whether you agree with their policies or not, they're trying to stay alive and intact.
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I just don't get Middle East. I was against the invasion of Iraq, but that Saddam Hussein played chicken with THE UNITED STATES until the very end. Even my country(Japan) in the 40's, our politicians fought the Imperial Japan military until the very end, trying to resolve things diplomatically with the U.S. Because everybody outside the Imperial Army knew that we had no chance fighting the U.S.
Iran, I've always suspected that they are smarter than their neighbors, they are cunning. Perhaps that they've ruled out that Obama would go to war over nuclear power in Iran, and that they see Obama's second term as the 4-year window to make Iran a nuclear power?
I don't know. Point taken on Iran & North Korean regime going in the survival mode. Again, if Kim Il-Sung's survival depended on putting a knife to Japan's neck, I am 100% for denying them that weapon. đź‘Ť
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Iran wasn't threatened by Israel before 2005. When Ahmadinejad was elected president, he said he wanted to wipe Israel off in his first speech, which has led to the current situation where Israel threatens to commit a pre-emptive strike. I doubt Iran really wants to help Palestinian Arabs, they just want to gain political power and regional influence through them. In the Middle East there are just two regional (military) powers, Iran and Israel, latter of whose destruction would leave Iran the most powerful country in the Middle East.
Though, it'd be better that no country had nukes or battle gases. The threshold of declaring war would be lower, but in an event of war the civilians wouldn't be as threatened as they'll be now in a clash between nuclear powers.
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Yeah, I saw that. That's pretty funny.
True. Saudis come off as a pretty cunning leadership though.If you look at their neighbors, barring Israel, it's not that hard for Iran to outwit their rivals in the region.
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You may find this hard to believe, but the Saudis would rather help Israel put the hurt to Iran before they give Iran any help.
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We are off-topic, but I'll just say that, that wouldn't surprise me. Cunning, or sellout, you decide.
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Yeah we went way off-topic, but at least we got a great conversation out of it.
Right now Kim Il-Sung is mad that he's not good talking material on GTP.đź‘Ť
Right now Kim Il-Sung is mad that he's not good talking material on GTP.đź‘Ť
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But he always looked so happy in his propaganda portraits, even with oddly perfect United States teeth.
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Liquid you are degrading Dear Leader's name by associating him with the United States...er...I mean the capitalist dog.
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I wouldn't doubt that one bit.
This is the regime that makes it's populace believe that their leader is godly ordained.
I can't begin to tell you how this ruffles my jimmies.
It is a land of darkness. Literally.
And yet these jackasses want a nuke?
This is the regime that makes it's populace believe that their leader is godly ordained.
I can't begin to tell you how this ruffles my jimmies.
It is a land of darkness. Literally.
And yet these jackasses want a nuke?
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True, but to those North Koreans, they don't know anything else. Not a thing. That is the only thing they have ever, ever been taught and have access to.
Who knows, to the outside world, maybe the West looks ridiculous. Celebrity culture is one thing, but you only have to follow the United States Thread or the United States Presidential Election thread on this very forum to see the spell a lot of the United States population is under. Maybe we're not so different after all (!)
Who knows, to the outside world, maybe the West looks ridiculous. Celebrity culture is one thing, but you only have to follow the United States Thread or the United States Presidential Election thread on this very forum to see the spell a lot of the United States population is under. Maybe we're not so different after all (!)
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Oh don't get me wrong, I've seen my fair share of Obama fanboys and girls. But the difference is that Obama doesn't make me proclaim him divinely ordained and wanted to earn my vote. đź‘Ť
As for the populace, I feel pity for them. I really do.
These Kim-Jong fellas got a lot to answer for that for sure.
As for the worlds. Well every country is going to look at each other as zoo specimens. For instance, I'm Indian, but my in-laws are Pakistani. Our countries are only about 70 years old.
Our blood and culture, however go back thousands of years, so we're pretty much the same. But yet we always resort to childish Indo-Pak jokes at get togethers.
I guess we're not so different in our immaturity?đź‘Ť
As for the populace, I feel pity for them. I really do.
These Kim-Jong fellas got a lot to answer for that for sure.
As for the worlds. Well every country is going to look at each other as zoo specimens.
For instance, I'm Indian, but my in-laws are Pakistani. Our countries are only about 70 years old.Our blood and culture, however go back thousands of years, so we're pretty much the same. But yet we always resort to childish Indo-Pak jokes at get togethers.
I guess we're not so different in our immaturity?đź‘Ť
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The satellite is already dead - there is no signal coming from it:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-12-18/no-signal-coming-from-north-korean-satellite/4433444
Nobody seems to know if it was even working in the first place, but the North Koreans claim it is broadcasting "patriotic" songs.
Only North Korea could spend millions of dollars launching a satellite that doesn't do anything useful to begin with and doesn't work once it gets up there.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-12-18/no-signal-coming-from-north-korean-satellite/4433444
Nobody seems to know if it was even working in the first place, but the North Koreans claim it is broadcasting "patriotic" songs.
Only North Korea could spend millions of dollars launching a satellite that doesn't do anything useful to begin with and doesn't work once it gets up there.
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No signal? It already sent a signal. The blast-off was a giant smoke signal. Korean engineers tried to convey a more complex message until Kim Jong Un came to the see the satellite and asked if he could eat it. It was then settled that Smoke = M; No smoke = no M.
Communications satellite would broadcast "mmmmmm," delicious greetings to North Korea people! OK!
Communications satellite would broadcast "mmmmmm," delicious greetings to North Korea people! OK!
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The North is ready to go ahead with another nuclear test:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-01-24/n-korea-to-target-us-with-nuclear-test/4482760
And they claim they would be willing to launch a strike on US interests if pushed.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-01-24/n-korea-to-target-us-with-nuclear-test/4482760
And they claim they would be willing to launch a strike on US interests if pushed.
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What do they think they will gain from this? The only thing they can get from this is fame. Not even good fame. Once they go too far they will fall and only be remembered for their stupidity.
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