North Korea, Sanctions, and Kim Jong-un

How is it that the Japanese, humbled and enforced into pacifism by WWII, now take it upon themselves to initiate a new, potentially nuclear war?
You're also suggesting that the Japanese, who make nuclear weapons illegal in their own law alongside being signatories to the NNPT agreeing not to use, have or develop nuclear weapons, will decide to abandon all of this and make some for use against Pyongyang.

It wouldn't take them all that long to make them - they have enough plutonium - but the last time someone in Japan suggested that they might like to make some ICBMs, there was a mass sit-in protest in Hiroshima. Their national psyche has been etched with massive doses of gamma rays and they're not in a hurry to forget.
 
True that. Japanese are like Californian liberals on steroids. Some say that nationalism has been on the rise(thanks to the Chinese & North Koreans), but the anti-war stance is more than solid in Japan, not to mention war is actually illegal over there.
 
http://news.yahoo.com/japan-orders-...14--sector.html;_ylt=AwrBJSCofj9TaTQAkX_QtDMD

Rumor that recently installed militarist Japanese PM Abe has ordered his navy to shoot down any new North Korean missile launches.

It is widely known that NK periodically launches missiles over the sea for test and propaganda purposes. Perhaps the flame and roar of missile tests help the NK's to feel better about about themselves? But with Japan's new militarism, is the stage now set for accidental or deliberate war between Japan and North Korea? How is it that the Japanese, humbled and enforced into pacifism by WWII, now take it upon themselves to initiate a new, potentially nuclear war? Should Uncle Sam encourage or restrain such hostilities?

This has turned out to be a controversial post. The bolded question, taken out of context, is one I'd like to walk back. Now I will substitute/edit "more aggressive military policy" for the term "nuclear war".

The situation is not entirely without hope.
 
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This has turned out to be a controversial post. The bolded question, taken out of context, is one I'd like to walk back. Now I will substitute/edit "more aggressive military policy" for the term "nuclear war".

The situation is not entirely without hope.
Taken out of context? To the press reporting that Japan would shoot down a rocket that would strike her, you posted that Japan was potentially initiating a new nuclear war. I guess your message to us here is "take it like a man, this won't hurt a bit compared to the Tsunami?" :dunce: I also noticed that you said that we are initiating the "new" nuclear war, as if we don't let it hit us, this is actually our second time initiating a nuclear war? Very interesting.

Well, I still don't see how it's "more aggressive military policy", and I'm not sure why you are caught up on portraying Japan as one of the aggressors. Where have they changed anything in their rules of engagement? Again, if the plan is to shoot down anything that may hit Japan, this is the same old order, same old policy.

What would United States do if a foe still stuck in the Cold War, located just few hundred miles across the water, have threatened to burn your country down numerous times, they start launching rockets into one of the coastal waters of United States? Actually launch one right over the U.S. from the east coast to the west, or maybe the west to east? And when it looks like one of them have a good chance of striking Seattle, do you go "Take it like a man, Americans?". Would U.S. be "initiating" anything if they fired Patriot missile at the thing before they hit your house?

I still don't begin to understand how one would rebuke a military action that is absolutely defensive. I wish my country was the U.S., because IMO, U.S. would shoot that rocket down. Then in the same week, they would be going Israeli on Kim Jong-un.
 
a rocket that would strike her

It is then a question of the rocket trajectory. No moral or legal problem of shooting down a rocket that is heading towards you. But what if is merely passing by over international waters, going downrange and falling short of Japan on another routine missile test with no explosive payload?

That is unclear both in the launching of NK missiles, and in the Japanese interception scenarios. The NY Times reports recent launches of the Rodong IRBM have fallen into the Sea of Japan.

The potential exists for Japan to respond imprudently and overenthusiastically to a non-threatening missile test launching,
 
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It is then a question of the rocket trajectory. No moral or legal problem of shooting down a rocket that is heading towards you. But what if is merely passing by over international waters, going downrange and falling short of Japan on another routine missile test with no explosive payload?

That is unclear both in the launching of NK missiles, and in the Japanese interception scenarios. The NY Times reports recent launches of the Rodong IRBM have fallen into the Sea of Japan.

The potential exists for Japan to respond imprudently and overenthusiastically to a non-threatening missile test launching,
These are UN condemned missiles, being fired by a bat 🤬 crazy dictatorship, just few hundred miles out(very little time to react :eek: ), and from a country that have threatened to destroy Japan before(think Iran/Israel).

"Potential" exist for Japan Airline to fly a Dreamliner to Kim Jong-un's house & drop a #2 on his front lawn. Many of these missiles do fall into Sea of Japan, one into the Pacific. And just like the last time, they have said that if they deem this rocket may hit Japan, they will shoot it down. What is up with all the drama? Japan is threatening to shoot down a illegal missile coming at their direction? It's not like they are saying that they will shoot back......
 
These are UN condemned missiles, being fired by a bat 🤬 crazy dictatorship, just few hundred miles out(very little time to react :eek: ), and from a country that have threatened to destroy Japan before(think Iran/Israel).

"Potential" exist for Japan Airline to fly a Dreamliner to Kim Jong-un's house & drop a #2 on his front lawn. Many of these missiles do fall into Sea of Japan, one into the Pacific. And just like the last time, they have said that if they deem this rocket may hit Japan, they will shoot it down. What is up with all the drama? Japan is threatening to shoot down a illegal missile coming at their direction? It's not like they are saying that they will shoot back......

All true. But what happens if NK shoots back after Japan kinetically knocks down their test rocket? In other words, what guarantees the escalation will stop?
 
All true. But what happens if NK shoots back after Japan kinetically knocks down their test rocket? In other words, what guarantees the escalation will stop?
Did you not read my post about the Article 9 of the Japanese Constitution? As it stands, the best we can do is to shoot down the rockets, and take out any ships or planes that's headed our way. War is banned by our Constitution. We are not allowed to take the fight to them.
 
They are running out of room in the detainment camps and can't afford to build more of them :lol:.
 
Interesting..... leak. Oh, well. It's not like Kim Jong-un was paranoid before or anything, and the regime seem stable enough. :lol:
 
DK
What, is Jong-un about to run out of cake? :lol:

He sent his personal chefs on a mission to France to find out how to make his favourite cheese at home. Maybe they couldn't get hold of the recipe!
 
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Why has Kim Jong Un got a girls name seriously ?.That guy likes to feed propaganda about the rest of the world towards his own people.It's all lies and 🤬 anyway.Anyone here what's going to happen to that boat captain ?.It's disgraceful what they will do to him.Bunch of murderers i say.
 
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Why has Kim Jong Un got a girls name seriously ?.That guy likes to feed propaganda about the rest of the world towards his own people.It's all lies and 🤬 anyway.Anyone here what's going to happen to that boat captain ?.It's disgraceful what they will do to him.Bunch of murderers i say.
Names are reversed in a lot of Asian countries so you begin with the surname.
 
Also, the South Korean ferry is not a relevant topic for a thread about North Korea, unless it turns out they torpedoed it.
 
That's unlikely. Unless the ferry was itself a North Korean warship disguised as a commercial ferry, and somehow torpedoed itself.
 
That's unlikely. Unless the ferry was itself a North Korean warship disguised as a commercial ferry, and somehow torpedoed itself.

The crew may well have been North Korean trained if their apparent level of expertise was anything to go by. Apart from that possibility this seems pretty much home-grown.

Incidentally, you have tremendous faith in the NK Navy if you think they could hit even any part of their own fleet with a torpedo.
 
The crew may well have been North Korean trained if their apparent level of expertise was anything to go by. Apart from that possibility this seems pretty much home-grown.

Incidentally, you have tremendous faith in the NK Navy if you think they could hit even any part of their own fleet with a torpedo.
You mean even if it failed to fire out of it's own ship and blew up in the hole? That's more likely than it hitting anything else (enemy ship, friend ship, land, animal, water).
 
You mean even if it failed to fire out of it's own ship and blew up in the hole? That's more likely than it hitting anything else (enemy ship, friend ship, land, animal, water).

Blast, didn't think of that! Those North Koreans are damned clever you know :D
 
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