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North Korea, Sanctions, and Kim Jong-un
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"So we like totally got an H-bomb!" - Kim
"Yeah, no, no you don't" - Rest of world.
"Yeah, no, no you don't" - Rest of world.
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So you're just going to pick and choose which parts of history you're going to observe based on what is convenient to you? Ironic, then, that you should be a proponent of Karl Marx; at this point, you seem to be a student of Groucho.
What, exactly, is your experience and qualification to say "this is what Marxism is"? So far, you have posted a handful of one-sided sources and under-informed videos and denied anything that does not fit your narrow understanding of the subject. On the other hand, I hold multiple university degrees - including a Master's degree - and teach critical interpretations of literature (and am also qualified to teach economics and political models) in high schools full-time and teach critical thinking part-time at a university.
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North Korea releases footage of submarine-launched missile:
http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2016-...s-video-of-new-submarine-missile-test/7078410
There are unconfirmed reports that the missile remained in place and the submarine was launched into the air.
http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2016-...s-video-of-new-submarine-missile-test/7078410
There are unconfirmed reports that the missile remained in place and the submarine was launched into the air.
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Well to be fair, a submarine being launched is the first of it's kind. North Korea is onto something.
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That poor news reporter. She sounds like she's having a seizure.
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The answer you are seeking is here...https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1915/aug/23.htm
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"A United States of the World (not of Europe alone) is the state form of the unification and freedom of nations which we associate with socialism—about the total disappearance of the state, including the democratic. As a separate slogan, however, the slogan of a United States of the World would hardly be a correct one, first, because it merges with socialism; second, because it may be wrongly interpreted to mean that the victory of socialism in a single country is impossible, and it may also create misconceptions as to the relations of such a country to the others."
I never underestimate the rulling class they know very well what are they doing...Trotsky was a traitor,the rulling class is using it to their advantage to discredit Stalin..
Also for you just googling Stalin vs Marx is a very easy thing...
Bye
Well i'm just a plummer but i have a very important ally on my side...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_Greece
In the end,like my party is saying it all comes down to this..."Or with capital or with the workers" like an old song was saying "Which side are you on"
Sorry for DP
Bye
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So it's all a conspiracy to discredit a visionary leader then, is it? It's at this point where you burned up whatever shred of credibility you had.
So that's how you want to play it then? "You don't agree with me, so you're obviously just spending five minutes on Google to inform your opinions".
Funny you should mention them. Poke around the forums a bit, and you'll find that Alexis Tsipras most closely mirrors my personal politics.
At this point, it's quite obvious that you only have a vague, narrow understanding of the concepts that you are throwing around here. There are forum members who are both educated and knowledgeable - and possibly some of the most intelligent people you will encounter - who have tried to help develop your understanding. At every step of this process, you have been confrontational and have rejected their goodwill in favour of shouting "I'm right and you're all wrong!".
Where do you expect this conversation to go from here? Do you really expect is all to revise history and pretend Stalin didn't commit a litany of crimes, that he wasn't responsible for the deaths and displacement of millions of people, and that he was really a man ahead of his time and that his radical utopian vision was torn down and desecrated by the non-believers?
I rarely do this, but to put it plainly, you are wrong and you have been wrong since you started posting in this thread. You do not understand the concepts that you are espousing, and nor do you understand history. This conversation is only going to continue the way it has been for the past few days - you are not going to convince anyone of your position. There is an expression that empty vessels make the most sound; it appears that they also reject any attempts to fill them up.
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Please. I have more dignity than Señor Chang.
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And yet, you have repeatedly alluded to it:
So if you aren't suggesting that there is an organised plot amongst the ruling elite to demonise Marxism and all related schools of thought and to discredit the few who have successfully brought Marxism into the world ... what, exactly, are you suggesting?
The basis on which Bolshevism and communism were conceived are deeply flawed, it was a nice social experiment but it demonstrated that corruption can exists at any level of a centralized government (specially if they have control over industrialized production).
You talk like one of those guys who "thinks" they are being colonized by the US (which is utter crap if you ask me), no, the problem that Greece had during the last 10 or so years is being a nation that produced nothing and expects to have enough economic resources to security a stable social benefit program for all it's citizens.
I'm going to go way off topic here but this nonsense needs to stop, Greece's problems are not the result post cold war geo influential policies or anything like that, the Greeks do not pay taxes but want social benefits, without taxes there is no infrastructure for the government, as the nation requires an economic input that it ... doesn't have, there is no industry big enough to supply government financial demands, so they ask the Germans for money, Germans lend the money (because they are part of the EU).
Greece's fiscal irresponsibility led to the country to ask for more money borrowed from the Germans, but this money was never paid, the Greek government requires austerity measures which result in removing the social benefits that were paid by the loans that can't be paid to the Germans, so people get worked out when themselves never had the economic output to support those benefits.
So who is to blame, NATO?, the US?, no. If you need to blame someone you need to look yourself into a mirror, Bolshevism on a modern Greece (or indeed in any nation) is ridiculous considering that there is virtually no industry big enough to be taken by the state and cover all these benefits, and even if the state itself had such industry it requires to be controlled by a central organism that (as mentioned before) is highly likely to be corrupted.
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So they have perfected the new kamikaze method of launching their submarine via torpedoing itself? This sounds highly effective in losing the war they are fighting against themselves.
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The army could pretty much run in unarmed, screaming at the top of their lungs and flapping their arns about whilr the Benny Hill theme is blasted out of speakers mounted on helicopters, and North Korea's response would still make it look like the most intelligent strategy in the history of warfare.
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Can we start a gofundme for countries to attempt this? It would outweigh all of the negatives from fighting a war just to witness the comedy.
Well their Propaganda song is pretty much as hilarious as Benny Hill.
This is the same country that shows Call of Duty gameplay footage for their propaganda.
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If you really want to watch history repeating itself, all you have to do is look at the way the US Government spends tax dollars. According to the Congressional Budget Office, the last budget that we did pass has $1.6 trillion designated spending for Social Security and healthcare (at a spent ratio of $845 B and $831 B respectively). That is nearly half of our budget spent on those two programs alone. (Remember, they cut $500 B out of Medicare to help pay for Obamacare.) Take the Defense Department spending in comparison. $596 B went into that department, or roughly 17%. It is about the same money that we spent on Discretionary spending. If we are really honest here, 41% of our budget can be cut to expand our military if we wanted to. We will not because we are in the process of collapsing our military.
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As much as I am Against outside occupation of country's I feel the north Korean threat should of been thwarted much earlier, im not sure how safe the world is with a country ran like that having possible world ending weapons.
The problem now is I doubt they would go down without launching a Nuclear weapon.
The problem now is I doubt they would go down without launching a Nuclear weapon.
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...Easy: offer their leadership (i.e. fatty Kim Jong Un) boxes of Chocopies.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-in-North-Koreas-Kaesong-Industrial-Park.html
Apparently NK loves this stuff. I've tasted it before, and I can fully understand why - it's delicious.
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Analysts believe that footage released by North Korea of the missile test was doctored to try and hide a catastrophic failure of the launch:
http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2016-01-13/claims-north-korea-faked-missile-test-footage/7085094
http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2016-01-13/claims-north-korea-faked-missile-test-footage/7085094
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I don't see why people make a big deal about north korea every time they launch a missile it has failed.
North Korea: We have a gigaton nuke to protect us from the evil of america.
World: That's nice
North Korea: We will test fire it.
World: That's Nice
North Korea It was successful
World: That's Nice.
North Korea: We have a gigaton nuke to protect us from the evil of america.
World: That's nice
North Korea: We will test fire it.
World: That's Nice
North Korea It was successful
World: That's Nice.
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Punctuation?
The reasons are manifold, mainly I'd say that an armed North Korea poses a credible threat to stability and security in the Pacific. Chinese reaction to the latest announcement demonstrates that even NK's "allies" are holding them at arm's length right now. Another reason is that there is an almost-comedic aspect to the apparent madness of NK's political structure. Until you think about the general populace, of course.
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But the saying goes.
Do not feed the troll.
Each time NK claims about a new weapon and how they will test it, the world complains.
If no one complained North Korea might see that we no longer care they may no longer try to grab attention.
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