Obama Presidency Discussion Thread

How would you vote in the 2008 US Presidential Election?

  • Obama-Biden (Democrat)

    Votes: 67 59.3%
  • McCain-Palin (Republican)

    Votes: 18 15.9%
  • Barr-Root (Libertarian)

    Votes: 14 12.4%
  • Nader-Gonzales (Independent-Ecology Party / Peace and Freedom Party)

    Votes: 5 4.4%
  • McKinney-Clemente (Green)

    Votes: 1 0.9%
  • Baldwin-Castle (Constitution)

    Votes: 7 6.2%
  • Gurney-? (Car & Driver)

    Votes: 1 0.9%
  • Other...

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    113
  • Poll closed .
I see guantanamo bay is going to be closed within the year.

I think this was one of the big things I was hoping for sooner than later, and I'm glad he got around to it so early. Problem is, I find it a little strange that it will close within a year, not immediately. I understand they've gotta clear the prisoners out, figure out where they're going to go, much less what we have to charge them for if we're keeping them around.
 
I think this was one of the big things I was hoping for sooner than later, and I'm glad he got around to it so early. Problem is, I find it a little strange that it will close within a year, not immediately. I understand they've gotta clear the prisoners out, figure out where they're going to go, much less what we have to charge them for if we're keeping them around.
Considering that the countries we caught them in now have new governments that don't support their previous activities I imagine there is a lot to be done in figuring out what to do with them.
 
I don't see the problem with people helping the less fortunate... You guys act like its a BAD thing 👎

A) I'm fine if they do it with their money, but they'll advocate using mine.
B) Helping the poor is a tricky business and has to be done with incentives carefully in mind.
 
I see what you guys are saying... I saw these types of commercials in the Bush era too... So it as a reminder that people should help their fellow americans.
 
I see guantanamo bay is going to be closed within the year.

Yes, in what could be the only positive action so far. But they'll probably move all of them to another secret prison that we don't yet know about.
 
Yes, in what could be the only positive action so far. But they'll probably move all of them to another secret prison that we don't yet know about.

I heard that they were taking them back to their country of orgin.

And when you said "only positive action so far." do you mean in his 2 days of being president or what he plans to do?
 
I heard that they were taking them back to their country of orgin.

And when you said "only positive action so far." do you mean in his 2 days of being president or what he plans to do?

No, I mean from the things I've heard come out of his mouth. The only two good things about Obama have been that he's going to leave Iraq, albeit at an unspecified date, :rolleyes: (he'd probably be forced to, eventually-- war+obama = too expensive) and that he'd probably close guantanamo.

Anyway, those are kind of undone by his FISA position and the fact that he'll likely move everyone from Iraq back to Afghanistan.
 
I saw these types of commercials in the Bush era too...
Pledging to support President Bush? Where?

So it as a reminder that people should help their fellow americans.
The problem is that it never stops there. No, instead I see MATT DAMON!!! and Ben Affleck on Bill Maher talking about pushing legislation that makes me help fellow Americans from my paycheck before it ever reaches my hands, and now celebrities pledging to support President Obama in "encouraging" us to help each other. Increased taxes/welfare or even the required community service programs that President Obama talked about during his campaign are not encouragement or friendly reminders, they are impositions on our freedoms.
 
And Hollywood has pledged to help President Obama, and push their agenda.


There were a few smart things said, but not many. Especially that guy from Red Hot Chili Peppers--he pledges to be "of service to Barack Obama? What? W...what? I mean....what!? No, bro, you got it all wrong. He is supposed to be of service to you. What a retard! All that weed and ink has rotted his brain. Would you ever take advice from a guy who wobbles that much when he stands? What a freakin' weirdo. At least he makes music I like.

EDIT: Apparently they all pledge to be a servant (Foolkiller, you're wrong--they say serve, not help) to their President. Great. They all think they're slaves. How can we get rid of people who think they are servants of the President? I mean, at least they could have said the government, but no, they cite one man as their leader. God help them. God help them.
 
Uh oh. Obama just took office, and it seems his own party is against him.
http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...ine.wsj.com/article/SB123206643514588079.html
Meet Obama's Loyal Opposition

"I do not work for Barack Obama." Mitch McConnell, Senate minority leader? No. Ben Bernanke, Fed chief? No, again.

Try Harry Reid, huffing at the idea anyone calls the shots on Capitol Hill other than him. What was that about "change"?

The president-elect used that word on the campaign trail in the context of bipartisanship. To that extent, he's doing a fabulous job. Some of the gushiest quotes about him are emanating from Republicans, giddy at his outreach.

But the "change" Mr. Obama really needs is to avoid the fate of the last two Democratic presidents, both sabotaged by their own majorities. So far, not good. Mr. Obama has yet to assume office, and already his own party is beating his priorities like a conga drum.

When the incoming Democratic president asked the outgoing GOP president to request the second $350 billion in rescue money, Mr. Bush graciously complied. At which point the Democratic majority informed the Democratic president that he'd see not a dime until they decided how to spend it. After all, giving Mr. Obama control over his own Treasury funds would rob them of a pot that they could earmark for Detroit, or bankruptcy judges, or local institutions.

When incoming Office of Management and Budget Director Peter Orszag proved reluctant to commit Mr. Obama to specific uses of the money, Florida's Sen. Bill Nelson accused him of spouting "mumbo jumbo." North Dakota's Sen. Kent Conrad, fresh off dictating the shape of Mr. Obama's stimulus tax cuts, had to intervene. In a last-ditch effort to rally Democratic support, Mr. Obama was forced to agree in writing to commit up to $100 billion to homeowners. Even so, nine of his own senators yesterday voted to deny him the funds.

Speaking of the stimulus, the Obama team, trying to shelter the party from accusations of profligate spending, initially capped the package at (a whopping) $775 billion. At which point Mr. Reid explained, publicly, that at least 20 of Mr. Obama's own economists felt it should in fact be at least, $800 billion -- maybe even $1.3 trillion! Five impoverished Democratic governors chimed in that anything less than $1 trillion really wasn't worth it. At last count, Mr. Obama had been talked up to $825 billion (and rising).

As to the makeup of the stimulus bill, Mr. Obama directed at least $300 billion go to tax cuts. This was partly to fulfill a campaign pledge, partly to sweeten the deal for Republicans, partly because his economic team might actually believe it a good idea -- especially business provisions.

Sen. Dianne Feinstein pronounced herself "concerned" (uh-oh) that so much might go to Americans, over appropriators. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi informed the incoming president that, duh, he should be raising taxes. Rep. Charlie Rangel, who heads Ways and Means, and knows it, decreed $300 billion a maximum, not a minimum. At last count, that number was $275 billion (and falling).

"I love earmarks," said House Majority Whip James Clyburn, as he griped that the president-elect had banned them in the stimulus. Mr. Obama wants no whiff of pork that might further sour a wary public. Mr. Clyburn is nonetheless leading a House rebellion against the edict. After all, it's only fair Democrats get to buy votes with stimulus dollars.

"There will be no earmarks in the stimulus. Nada. Zero. Zilch," said a Reid spokesman. The majority leader might have made the comment himself, had he not been busy reassuring Nevadans that he'd just go around the ban by leaning on Obama agencies to deliver dollars to his state's projects. Meanwhile, Mr. Reid is making as his first present to the president a pork-riddled public-lands bill that includes $3.5 million for a city's birthday party, $5 million for botanical gardens, and $3 million for a "road to nowhere" in (where else?) Alaska.

Some of this is ego. Thrilled as Democrats were to take back the White House, John Conyers, David Obey, Mr. Rangel and Pete Stark alone can boast of (and do) cumulatively 146 years more in Washington than the Illinois rookie. They've also been waiting a long time to run things their way.

Some of this is pique. Democrats invested so heavily in the myth of Mr. Bush as hyperpartisan they now believe it. They don't feel Republicans deserve accommodation.

Some of it is politics. Don't forget, 95 House Democrats initially voted against rescue funds, worried about "bailout" sentiments back home. Until the Obama team offers leadership on the economy, they'll take the safe route over standing blindly with an untested president.

Whatever the cause, it is a dangerous beginning. Mr. Obama can currently afford to do some accommodating. But if he gets a reputation for getting rolled by the unruly mob, his agenda is kaput. Congressional Democrats, with their 9% approval rating, are meanwhile picking a fight with a guy who, if backed into a fight, may win. Though neither side will "win."

All this is taking place on the honeymoon. Yet to come are difficult issues -- the budget, health care, climate change. At that point, we'll find out who works for whom.

AND, from the 1/18/09 WSJ

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123229863849393891.html

Pelosi Appears to Differ With Obama Over Taxes, Bush Probes

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi appears to differ from Barack Obama on at least two issues -- tax increases and investigating the Bush administration.

The Democratic House speaker wants Congress to consider repealing President George W. Bush's tax cuts well before they expire in 2010, in contrast to what Obama is proposing.

Ms. Pelosi said Democrats have promised to end the Bush tax cuts for those who make more than $250,000.

"We had campaigned in saying what the Republican Congressional Budget Office told us: Nothing contributed more to the budget deficit than the tax cuts for the wealthiest people in America," Ms. Pelosi said in an interview broadcast Sunday.

The California Democrat is pushing the president-elect to make good on a campaign promise that attracted some of the harshest criticism during the election -- that Mr. Obama is a typical tax-and-spend Democrat who would raise taxes once in office.

Mr. Obama has fought that label, emphasizing that any tax increase would be directed at those making more than $250,000. However, since the election, Mr. Obama has been reluctant even to raise taxes on people making that much.

Lawrence Summers, Mr. Obama's choice for director of the National Economic Council, signaled again Sunday that repealing the Bush tax cuts would not be a priority.

"Our overall focus is going to be on increasing spending," Mr. Summers said in a broadcast interview. "Beyond that, there's going to be a substantial tax cut for the American people."

Mr. Obama's aides worked with House Democrats to craft their version of an economic stimulus package. The package, unveiled last week, includes $550 billion in government spending and $275 billion in tax cuts. It would leave the Bush tax cuts in place.

Ms. Pelosi said she won't use the stimulus bill to address tax cuts. But she also said: "I don't want them to wait two years to expire. Because they have to prove their worth to me as to how they grow the economy, how they create jobs."

Also Sunday, Ms. Pelosi said she wants an investigation into whether the Bush administration broke the law when it fired a group of federal prosecutors.

"I think that we have to learn from the past, and we cannot let the politicizing of, for example, the Justice Department, go unreviewed," she said. "Past is prologue."

House Democrats last week recommended a criminal investigation to determine whether administration officials broke the law in the name of national security. Along with the fired prosecutors, the report cited interrogation of foreign detainees, warrantless wiretaps, retribution against critics and manipulation of intelligence.

The president-elect has been more cautious, saying he wants to look to the future, not to the past.

"I don't believe that anybody is above the law," Mr. Obama said in a recent television interview. "On the other hand, I also have a belief that we need to look forward, as opposed to looking backwards."

Ms. Pelosi appeared on "Fox News Sunday." Mr. Summers was interviewed on CBS's "Face the Nation."

If Obama can't get on terms with his own party, all you Obama guys can kiss his promises of Change goodbye b/c the Democrats aren't going to put aside their own agenda for the good of the people.

But, to also be honest, now that this has come up, I'd rather actually Obama get what he wants done rather than what the Democrats in Congress want done.
 
(Foolkiller, you're wrong--they say serve, not help)
I was thinking of the opening graphic about how President Obama is not alone. I didn't even think about the actual spoken pledge to serve.
 
Reventón;3285036
If Obama can't get on terms with his own party, all you Obama guys can kiss his promises of Change goodbye b/c the Democrats aren't going to put aside their own agenda for the good of the people.

But, to also be honest, now that this has come up, I'd rather actually Obama get what he wants done rather than what the Democrats in Congress want done.

Just to be clear, whether or not the leaders of the party are completely on board is irrelevant when the majority of the other congressional leaders, both Republican and Democrat, are on board with his policies. Nevertheless, its Washington, and it was bound to happen.

As for getting done what they (Speaker Pelosi, Sen. Reid) want to, we'll see. Pelosi's promise to have the stimulus package through the house by the end of Feb. seemed a bit quick, and she already has a pretty bad habit of doing things like that. As for Reid, I have no idea what hes been pushing for, in fact, hes been pretty quiet the past few weeks. Other than the 'Blagooooooooyvich' senate nomination deal, I haven't heard him talk much about anything.

...It sounds like the big disagreement at least for now, throughout the Democratic party, is going to be how to handle Bush and Cheney (and others) for what essentially amounts to war crimes. I'm getting the feeling that Obama won't take down the executive branch like that, but I'm still hoping for some names to get tossed out on stage, and for them to have their day in court... Especially for torture.
 
...It sounds like the big disagreement at least for now, throughout the Democratic party, is going to be how to handle Bush and Cheney (and others) for what essentially amounts to war crimes. I'm getting the feeling that Obama won't take down the executive branch like that, but I'm still hoping for some names to get tossed out on stage, and for them to have their day in court... Especially for torture.
Nothing will happen here and any Democrat who was in office before starts something like this now is a hypocrite. If there was proven grounds for war crimes they would have been impeached before now. So, unless new evidence that I haven't heard about has popped up in the last four days do not expect any war crimes charges.

I mean, what are they going to do? Retroactively charge them for performing acts that were in fuzzy torture or not territory and is still debated today? I know creating new crimes (see: any regulation) is nothing new for the government, but doing it and then charging a political opponent retroactively while you were in office before during and after the acts in question is blatantly political tom foolery and a court appointed defense attorney could easily trash the reputation of every Congressional member that backed it.

And while I do believe that there are enough Democrats who are dumb enough to attempt this I do not see President Obama allowing it to happen. If he wants unity, bipartisanship, and a better political climate in Washington he will swiftly speak out against any attempt of this nature. And even if he doesn't really want all that he does have an agenda he wants to push and witch hunts will only hurt that.

Sorry, but your hopes of watching the former administration explain something you disagree with are not going to come true because of the man you wanted, and helped to get in office.
 
Reventón;3285036
If Obama can't get on terms with his own party, all you Obama guys can kiss his promises of Change goodbye b/c the Democrats aren't going to put aside their own agenda for the good of the people.

But, to also be honest, now that this has come up, I'd rather actually Obama get what he wants done rather than what the Democrats in Congress want done.

Wait, democrats are supposed to represent change? That is SO 2006. Look what they've done since then. Bushpublicans and Democrats are all the same breed.
 
Sorry, but your hopes of watching the former administration explain something you disagree with are not going to come true because of the man you wanted, and helped to get in office.

I'm not getting my hopes up too high, so don't worry. But, you can only hope that something happens. But, this whole NSA thing may get blown up a bit bigger than I expected, and that may end up serving up more people than the torture deal. IF, that is, Congress has the stones to press it, and the Obama Administration allows it.
 
I thought we were kinda-sorta-not enemies with Pakistan.

Yeah, like other countries, we have a "we'll give you money or bomb you" relationship.

I remember reading some kind of military report about Mexico and Pakistan being the two least stable countries in the world. Apparently they are prime states for governmental failure, etc. I pray that we don't get involved.
 
I remember reading some kind of military report about Mexico and Pakistan being the two least stable countries in the world. Apparently they are prime states for governmental failure, etc. I pray that we don't get involved.

I'd add Haiti to that list as well, I can't think of the last time one of their Presidents served a full term. Sad when you think about it, being the second oldest Republic in the Western Hemisphere.

The mention of Mexico is interesting, because its something that we don't often think about here in the US. As I recall, both the Clinton and Bush administrations threw money at the countries to maintain some level of political stability, but as we saw a few years back, it doesn't matter a whole lot these days. I don't know if a full-out military invasion would occur any time soon, but I do forsee some kind of operation being required in that absolute disaster we're having in the border region with the drug lords.
 
Automakers Begin to Shake Fists at Potential Shift in Policy

President Obama announced this morning that his administration is seeking to investigate whether or not individual states can regulate emission and fuel economy standards that were otherwise blocked by President Bush a year or so ago. Its an interesting move, as it does give the states more power to create the changes they deem important, but at the same time, it creates a logistical nightmare for companies that want to sell their cars in the US. It appears as though the automakers are all against it per usual, and it will be interesting to see what comes of it if the EPA decides to allow it to happen.
 
...good thing he's already sidetracked by car emissions.

You know how the gov can take back a huge amount of money, bring dream act back in action, make the illegals pay a penalty, that would bring millions, and soon after that they will make more money, cause they will be paying taxes , car insurance, health care, and most importantly have an identity for the benefit of the entire nation since were so worry about terrorism.
 
...good thing he's already sidetracked by car emissions.

Throw it on the pile, man. It'd be nice to have a big list that we can send to him so we can do things one-by-one. That, or we need to find one of these to place on the desk:

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You want an Undo Button? Should've voted for this guy:

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Now we'll be stuck with this:

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