On which plattform do you think/do you want GT6 to be released?

[Whistle Snap]

amar212:

Once the six skip the three
Saving for the four
Question stays about the five
Waiting for some more

Due the fact we knew too much
About the four and five
Six will hide until it can
Kevin Butlers' Jive

It's six step left six step right
Rinse, repeat and wait
The three will get some finger food
And four will celebrate.

GT6 skips the PS3 for the PS4.

And more content for GT5 until GT6 comes out of hiding. I wonder if we'll get a Spec III?

 

[Tenacious D]

From Whistle Snap's quote of Amar's post, I wonder if that would be good enough for most fans.

GT5 is good enough to hold me over. Giving it more updates and content would add some sweet icing to an already tasty cake. Yes, I wanted a lot more in GT5, like a Livery Editor, Race Mod for all the cars, a REAL Track Creator, a REAL Paint Shop, racing leagues, better online and so on. But what's there is just darn awesome to me.

A GT6 on PS3 wouldn't be much different than an updated GT5, except those "darn Standard cars" would be there, which gripes some of us. So I say give us that "finger food" on GT5. Then, we can "celebrate" some serious additions in GT6 on PS4.

Which, no, whiners, will NOT be $600. Don't make me repeat the history of PS3's development, the blue-violet laser diode shortage and all that.

 

[Griffith500]

I'd been thinking for some time, based on something I remember Kaz saying (that I don't remember nor can I cite, so take that as it comes), that PD will try to keep as quiet as possible on GT6 after the farce that preceded GT5. I can't say I blame them, I think I'd do the same, if only for my own sanity.

Is there any extra context for what Amar posted? Where is it to be found, for a start?
It's a shame that they'd skip the PS3, if it's true, so I wonder what the finger food might be (equally, precisely what six step left / right means; elusive? Multi-platform?)

 

[Samus]

Yes he did say that and with the point in time we're at I'm now expecting it to be announced alongside the PS4 at E3 2013. It makes the most sense if it's going to be a PS4 game and it gives them another 6 months to get closer to it being finished even if it won't be a launch title.

 

[GTvsForza]

I would be surprised if it was on the Vita. I mean, they had GT on PSP, so why not have GT6 on another handheld game?

 

[Samus]

I would be surprised if it was on the Vita. I mean, they had GT on PSP, so why not have GT6 on another handheld game?

They might be doing a vita game but it wouldn't be called GT6.

 

[TokoTurismo]

They might be doing a vita game but it wouldn't be called GT6.

Instead it'll be called either Gran Turismo 2 (Vita version), or Gran Turismo with the name "Vita" beside the logo.

 

[CorvetteConquer]

I'd been thinking for some time, based on something I remember Kaz saying (that I don't remember nor can I cite, so take that as it comes), that PD will try to keep as quiet as possible on GT6 after the farce that preceded GT5. I can't say I blame them, I think I'd do the same, if only for my own sanity.

Amen to that.

Well, I hate to be left out in the cold, but at this point, just develop and be quiet.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

I will be surprised if they don't release next GT game on PS3. I think it will be a crazy decision if they don't release it on PS3. Whenever PS4 comes out, they could rerelease the PS3 game but with higher detail for PS4 to keep people happy.

 

[Samus]

I will be surprised if they don't release next GT game on PS3. I think it will be a crazy decision if they don't release it on PS3. Whenever PS4 comes out, they could rerelease the PS3 game but with higher detail for PS4 to keep people happy.

Like I asked someone else, when and where are they going to announce it?

 

[Saidur_Ali]

Like I asked someone else, when and where are they going to announce it?

I'm hoping for E3 2013 for more information regarding GT6 on PS3 and hopefully a release date for later in year, similar to GT5 launch but 3 years on. Being optimistic, initial information in CES 2013. This is by no means factual information like your question might imply. Will be disappointing if 2014 release.

 

[Samus]

I'm hoping for E3 2013 for more information regarding GT6 on PS3 and hopefully a release date for later in year, similar to GT5 launch but 3 years on. Being optimistic, initial information in CES 2013. This is by no means factual information like your question might imply. Will be disappointing if 2014 release.

It's pretty much accepted that the next generation consoles will be revealed at E3 2013, it would make no sense whatsoever for Sony to say "here is our new console" and then say "And now our biggest selling franchise.....on the old console".

To me they had the perfect opportunity to announce a 2013 PS3 game at TGS last month, they failed to do so and so now I don't see where they can do it before PS4 is revealed.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

It's pretty much accepted that the next generation consoles will be revealed at E3 2013, it would make no sense whatsoever for Sony to say "here is our new console" and then say "And now our biggest selling franchise.....on the old console".

To me they had the perfect opportunity to announce a 2013 PS3 game at TGS last month, they failed to do so and so now I don't see where they can do it before PS4 is revealed.

Even if they announce PS4, it is a crazy decision not to release GT6 on PS3. I think if the do announce PS4, they will probably discuss about it but not full reveal of what it will look like or cost with maybe a release in either 2014 or 2015 to maybe take Microsoft's thunder away if they do a full reveal. Anyway back to point you are making starting from, "here is our new console" and ... I don't agree with what follows and also the part I quoted to an extent as I don't think they will show console yet (Depends really which end of hardware they will be going for so still possibility). They can still release games for PS3 as they have an established console user base. They aren't going to suddenly stop releasing games for a year or two and miss out on potential hundreds of millions of pounds of profit due to it.

If PS4 is getting launched even in late 2013, it still seems like a crazy decision not to release a new GT game on PS3. PD could make a Prologue or make a rerelease of PS3 version quite quickly for PS4 to capitalise on both platforms. They will also do something with Vita too. Software and services is where the main money is for Microsoft and Sony in gaming part of business. Imagine if they never released GT4 and Tourist Trophy because of the PS3 releasing soon, would have been a crazy decision to make financially to not make use of PS2 user base.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

PD ... quite quickly

I feel like that's the main hump to overcome...

As much as I'd like to see another GT on PS3 (because I personally find having only one iteration this entire generation a joke), it's seeming increasingly likely that's the case, what with another round of Orbis dev kits making their way around. Though I seem to remember the PS2 still getting some big title releases after the PS3 was shown.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

I feel like that's the main hump to overcome...

As much as I'd like to see another GT on PS3 (because I personally find having only one iteration this entire generation a joke), it's seeming increasingly likely that's the case, what with another round of Orbis dev kits making their way around. Though I seem to remember the PS2 still getting some big title releases after the PS3 was shown.

Look how quickly Gran Turismo HD Concept and GT5 Prologue came out after release of Tourist Trophy. It should be more quicker this time around due to PD having already an operating system to build upon and also quite a number of high quality assets.

 

[Tornado]

We've all heard that pitch (and many of us have even preached it), but the fact of the matter is that is coming up real close on two years since GT5 came out (and six years since the PS3 came out) and we haven't heard a word about GT6. And with the likelihood of the PS4 not being backwards compatible with PS3 games, there's no reason for Sony to announce GT6 as a PS3 game at the same time as they announce the PS4 unless they take a year and a half to release the latter and a short amount of time to release the former.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

We've all heard that pitch (and many of us have even preached it), but the fact of the matter is that is coming up real close on two years since GT5 came out (and six years since the PS3 came out) and we haven't heard a word about GT6. And with the likelihood of the PS4 not being backwards compatible with PS3 games, there's no reason for Sony to announce GT6 as a PS3 game at the same time as they announce the PS4 unless they take a year and a half to release the latter and a short amount of time to release the former.

I think even if they make PS4 game first, they could still potentially then make PS3 version later. Only way I see them not making for PS3 is if PS4 is a cheap console, not much more expensive than current PS3.

If rumours are true, Lucas probably knows the answer.

 

[daus26]

Well if it's for the PS4, I'm more confident about the reliability of launch PS4s than PS3s, more so because the gpu and cpu is integrated into one.... if the rumors are true.

It's pretty much accepted that the next generation consoles will be revealed at E3 2013, it would make no sense whatsoever for Sony to say "here is our new console" and then say "And now our biggest selling franchise.....on the old console".

To me they had the perfect opportunity to announce a 2013 PS3 game at TGS last month, they failed to do so and so now I don't see where they can do it before PS4 is revealed.

Yeah, I'm afraid to agree that's what makes sense right now. I use to think that GT6 will sell a lot better if it was on the PS3 due to the larger install base, but now I'm not so sure how it would work out if it releases around the time PS4 releases.

Now that I think about it, there aren't, if any, many 1st party exclusives from Sony that will release late fall of next year. Biggest titles like Last of Us and Beyond 2 souls will launch much before that. Plus, Sony is still technically correct about support for PS3 with games till 2015 or so because there are still system sellers like MGS Ground Zero, Grand Theft Auto 5, FFvs.XIII, and Last Guardian to help keep PS3 busy. BUT, they did say that they still have some unannounced PS3 exclusives for the system.

I'm just gonna wait till E3 to lean on a side. It's like the presidential election. Anything could happen now.

 

[mickoafna]

I really don't care for which console GT6 will come. If it'll be for PS3, I'll buy it. If it'll be for PS4, I'll buy PS4 and GT6. I'll even buy the game if it'll be for both PS3 and PS4.

Best game ever

 

[another_jakhole]

Grand Theft Auto isn't an exclusive, but I think we should look at that when we seriously think that the end date of the PS3's "selling" cycle will determine what system GT6 will be on. I want it on the PS4, I see it likely coming to the PS3. GT7 on the PS(4) won't take six years to make. The jump from a "basic" game console, the PS2, to an "advanced" system, the PS3, isn't the same as the jump from the PS3 to the PS4 will be. Not even close.

I really don't care for which console GT6 will come. If it'll be for PS3, I'll buy it. If it'll be for PS4, I'll buy PS4 and GT6. I'll even buy the game if it'll be for both PS3 and PS4.

Best game ever

Me too!

 

[occasionalracer]

I think even if they make PS4 game first, they could still potentially then make PS3 version later. Only way I see them not making for PS3 is if PS4 is a cheap console, not much more expensive than current PS3.

If rumours are true, Lucas probably knows the answer.

From a business point of view it wouldn't make any sense to give a PS3 option. There is no reason why GT5 can't just get updates and a bunch more DLC over the next couple years, as well as potentially include GT6 previews & teasers, or should we call it "advertisements" to wean people off PS3.

As cold as it sounds, there is nothing wrong with that as long as they give the 9.1 million users (so far) the chance to keep online servers alive and the seasonals going of course.

I don't see the point with the price point of PS4, expensive could mean $400 to one $600 to another... I predict $499, seems normal and fair, I remember when I picked up PS1 at launch at that price.

Lucas has more a lot more to do with Nissan that PD, although Kaz seems to enjoy having him along at various events, I really hope Lucas can be a "physics tester" and give excellent feedback.. after all, that's what racers need to be very good at with their team.

 

[another_jakhole]

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Grand Theft Auto isn't an exclusive, but I think we should look at that when we seriously think that the end date of the PS3's "selling" cycle will determine what system GT6 will be on. I want it on the PS4, I see it likely coming to the PS3. GT7 on the PS(4) won't take six years to make. The jump from a "basic" game console, the PS2, to an "advanced" system, the PS3, isn't the same as the jump from the PS3 to the PS4 will be. Not even close.

I really don't care for which console GT6 will come. If it'll be for PS3, I'll buy it. If it'll be for PS4, I'll buy PS4 and GT6. I'll even buy the game if it'll be for both PS3 and PS4.

Best game ever

Me too!

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From a business point of view it wouldn't make any sense to give a PS3 option. There is no reason why GT5 can't just get updates and a bunch more DLC over the next couple years, as well as potentially include GT6 previews & teasers, or should we call it "advertisements" to wean people off PS3.

Only one thing to say: the PS2 is proof that that isn't the case. I really think the PS3 will be SIMILAR in popularity to the PS2 after the PS4 releases. I don't see this as having the definitive answer at all, I'm only saying. It would make more sense than none to release a version for both systems.

 

[Tornado]

The jump from a "basic" game console, the PS2, to an "advanced" system, the PS3, isn't the same as the jump from the PS3 to the PS4 will be. Not even close.

I think that depends on how much of the "OS" metaphor Kaz alluded to depends on the PS3's hardware specifically. If they dug themselves in thoroughly to make it on the PS3, and then have to rewrite all of it for the PS4...

 

[occasionalracer]

Only one thing to say: the PS2 is proof that that isn't the case. I really think the PS3 will be SIMILAR in popularity to the PS2 after the PS4 releases. I don't see this as having the definitive answer at all, I'm only saying. It would make more sense than none to release a version for both systems.

But a GT on PS4 should showcase the new consoles potential and therefore should not be ported to PS3 as it would be VERY counter productive from the business point of view. You're right PS3 will be around for at least another 5 years, it's just too awesome to go extinct within a year or two of PS4's release.

 

[another_jakhole]

I think that depends on how much of the "OS" metaphor Kaz alluded to depends on the PS3's hardware specifically. If they dug themselves in thoroughly to make it on the PS3, and then have to rewrite all of it for the PS4...

That's where the Vita comes in, and it might be my final point. If it's anything to go by, then what? Isn't porting current-gen games to the Vita a walk in the park compared to how it is with the PS3? Wouldn't it be probable for the PS4 to be like that, or does it not work that way?

But a GT on PS4 should showcase the new consoles potential and therefore should not be ported to PS3 as it would be VERY counter productive from the business point of view. You're right PS3 will be around for at least another 5 years, it's just too awesome to go extinct within a year or two of PS4's release.

A lot of the content, specifically the car models, can be ported without sacrificing the quality. The tracks and cars are where most of the resources/time is spent and most people are accepting that it's future proof content. Enough detail is used in the Premium cars and current-gen tracks to support that thought.

The physics likely/possibly won't NEED to be redone like they HAD TO BE for GT5. That's one part that goes with the PS4 not being as big of a jump from the PS3, in terms of what's possible, as it was from the PS2 to 3.

 

[Samus]

I think even if they make PS4 game first, they could still potentially then make PS3 version later.

What precedent is there for this? When does this ever happen except for the yearly sports games? If the PS4 does indeed feature different architecture to the PS3 then creating a game for the PS4 and then just "downsizing" it for PS3 isn't going to be possible, they would both have to be made completely separately. Or rather the PS3 game would have to be built from GT5, the PS4 game (code wise) would be started from scratch. Bearing in mind this is PD we're talking about, the kings of taking their time, do you really see this being possible in a reasonable amount of time?

Like I said before there is no history of this sort of thing happening, I don't see it starting with GT6. It'll be one or the other.

 

[Tornado]

That's where the Vita comes in, and it might be my final point. If it's anything to go by, then what? Isn't porting current-gen games to the Vita a walk in the park compared to how it is with the PS3? Wouldn't it be probable for the PS4 to be like that, or does it not work that way?

That depends. Porting multiplatform games where the 360 is the lead development platform to the Vita? Yeah. Probably very easy considering what the hardware in the Vita is; just like it was to port multiplatform games last generation to the PSP.


Porting game code designed specifically for the PS3 to what will probably be completely different hardware? If Sony designed the PS4 to be simple to program for (which... is anyone's guess really. I'd like to think they learned their lesson from the PS3, but they didn't learn their lesson from the PS2 before that so I dunno), then PS3 -> PS4 won't be as difficult as the opposite direction; helped greatly by how PD doesn't need to optimize it if they want to get it out quickly because the PS4 will be more powerful and can burn up some resources on unoptimized code. That's not taking into account the possibility that the PS4 isn't easy to program for, though.




It's certainly not a game breaker, because GT3 was so obviously built off of GT2 that you could tell just by watching a race that they used the same game engine, so it's possible to do it across hardware; and that's taking into account how the PS2 was obnoxiously complex to program for compared to the PSX when it first came out. But if the entire gameplan was to quickly throw out a GT6 off the back of GT5, then moving it to PS4 will throw a wrench in that plan; and that wrench will only be heavier depending on how deeply PS3-centric the programming was.

 

[ch3ng]

A lot of the content, specifically the car models, can be ported without sacrificing the quality. The tracks and cars are where most of the resources/time is spent and most people are accepting that it's future proof content. Enough detail is used in the Premium cars and current-gen tracks to support that thought.

The tracks are not future proof content.

PD will not make a GT6 for PS3 and PS4 it will be 1 console, because it doesn't make sense to release a game on 2 different generations. Sony develop Game, because the want money and sell consoles. A GT6 on PS3 and PS4 will not sell as much PS4 as a GT6 only on PS4 would do.

 

[Samus]

A GT6 on PS3 and PS4 would only take sales away from each other. People buying the PS3 game would not potentially buy a PS4 and people buying the PS4 game wouldn't be buying the PS3 game making it redundant. It makes no sense.

 

[Tornado]

Like I said before there is no history of this sort of thing happening, I don't see it starting with GT6. It'll be one or the other.

The are examples of this happening (which might be what he's referring to), but the applicability of them is suspect. During the Saturn -> Dreamcast jump and PSX -> PS2 jump, there were a lot of third party companies making games for the older system and quickly tossing together a nearly identical version for the new system too. I'm reminded of this:



Which was so identical to this:



That if you put the PSX version in the PS2 and played it with texture smoothing on it would be hard to tell the difference between them at a glance other than the framerate. But again, third party games.







There was also Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess that Nintendo released for the Gamecube and Wii simultaneously, but those two systems were almost identical in hardware so that's kinda iffy as an example too.