On which plattform do you think/do you want GT6 to be released?

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PS3 or PS4?

  • I want a PS3 release, but think it'll be on PS4

    Votes: 167 28.1%
  • I want a PS3 release and think it'll be released on PS3

    Votes: 200 33.7%
  • I want a PS4 release and think it'll be released on PS4.

    Votes: 141 23.7%
  • I want a PS4 release, but think it'll be on PS3

    Votes: 42 7.1%
  • I don't care

    Votes: 44 7.4%

  • Total voters
    594
I dreamed last night that Kaz went on twitter, answered some random question and ended with the words "...oh, and btw GT6 will be released next week." in a sort of postmodern marketing coup d'état. Instead of spending lots of money on big campaigns, simply writing a line on twitter and let the hype spread by itself, in the end generating more attention than the biggest of billboards. Would be interesting if they actually did that. Even more interesting of course if GT6 actually was released next week ;)
 
I am not to bothered! If it is a PS3 release, then it must be planned to be released very soon. However, I suspect that GT5 was released too late in the PS3 life cycle for 2 GT games to be viable??

The main deciding factor will surely be when the PS4 is due out, if it is within 2 years, then GT6 will probably be a PS4 release.
 
So do people still think a PS3 game can be announced AFTER the PS4 has been announced?

Yes, but maybe not from PD. PS2 games continued to be churned out long after the PS3 had started being sold, never mind announced.

I do wonder, though, if a significant update to GT5 (an expansion pack, maybe) might be announced at the same time as "GT6-for-PS4" is (since we know it's coming in some form or other already).
 
How do you mean, not from PD? Oh you just mean in general? Sorry I did specifically mean a GT game. Yeah PS2 games kept coming but not AAA titles and it does seem rather ominous that all of the other big titles for PS3/360 are already announced and due for release before E3.

I could possibly see a "Spec 3.0" announced alongside a PS4 trailer at E3 but certainly I don't see Sony announcing the PS4 then letting their biggest selling franchise announce a full, new AAA game for PS3. For one thing that just tells consumers that a PS4 GT game isn't going to be coming early in the life of the console, if a PS3 game is still being released instead, because consumers know full well how efficient PD are.
 
Final Fantasy XII was launched weeks before the Playstation 3 was released. Still though, XII was announced 2 years before it launched. GT6 is not going to be announced (E3) then released 6 months later. You're looking at roughly 12 months of hype and build up. That puts a GT6 release no earlier then Q2 2014. Cant see PD releasing a PS3 game that far out, especially when its expected to receieve 24 or so months of updates and DLC.

Can you imagine PD releasing PS3 DLC in 2015? I cant either.
 
That's the key point really, nobody announces and releases a game within 12 months unless it's a launch title in which case they obviously can't announce them properly until the console has been announced. Like the 360 launch titles being announced in May 2005 along with the console and then on sale in November of that year.

That's the only way GT6 is going to be announced and released in 2013.
 
How do you mean, not from PD? Oh you just mean in general? Sorry I did specifically mean a GT game. Yeah PS2 games kept coming but not AAA titles and it does seem rather ominous that all of the other big titles for PS3/360 are already announced and due for release before E3.

I could possibly see a "Spec 3.0" announced alongside a PS4 trailer at E3 but certainly I don't see Sony announcing the PS4 then letting their biggest selling franchise announce a full, new AAA game for PS3. For one thing that just tells consumers that a PS4 GT game isn't going to be coming early in the life of the console, if a PS3 game is still being released instead, because consumers know full well how efficient PD are.

Yes, I should learn to read, evidently.

I don't know what'd be more damaging for PD, not releasing a PS3 game and then not releasing a PS4 game anywhere near its launch, or releasing a PS3 game and not releasing a PS4 game anywhere near its launch.
I suspect the former, so hopefully they will compromise and actually hit a "sensible" release window this time, especially since the content gap is likely to be smaller now.

I don't know how we can measure efficiency, especially given a lack of knowledge of the full system in play, its boundaries, its inputs and outputs etc., but I don't think a lack of absolute efficiency is hurting them - only an inability to compromise at the right time, at least for GT5 / PS3.
 
I actually have a lot of hope/faith that GT6 on PS4 will be delivered quite early in the consoles life. The main thing that gives me that hope is the fact Kaz said most of the work for the game is modelling the premium cars, 60% of total time I believe he said. Now we know they started working on GT6 before GT5 was released and no matter whether it was a PS3 game then or a PS4 game the bulk of the work, modelling the cars, was for both essentially.

So we know they've been modelling PS4 quality cars constantly since late 2010, it's pretty certain a PS4 will arrive late 2013 at the very earliest so that's another 3 years modelling cars (amongst the other 40% of work, of course). That should in theory mean they should be able to have a game ready to go by mid 2014 at the latest, no matter when the PS4 launches.

I don't expect a day 1 launch title whenever it does launch but within 6 months, I'm pretty hopeful.
 
I think at this point that GT6 will be on the PS4. I also expect up to 600 cars in GT6 if Kaz is importing GT5's premiums.
 
Not sure why you're posting an article from last July although it does bring up another possibility, GT6:PS4 and GT6:Vita being announced and released at the same time. I doubt it though.
 
That's the key point really, nobody announces and releases a game within 12 months unless it's a launch title in which case they obviously can't announce them properly until the console has been announced. Like the 360 launch titles being announced in May 2005 along with the console and then on sale in November of that year.

That's the only way GT6 is going to be announced and released in 2013.

I really wish I could understand what Sony is doing with PD.

Releasing GT6 on PS3 around GT5's launch gives alot of people reason not to upgrade to a PS4 for a very long time. Also, the PS4 does not need GT6 as a launch title to sell consoles. So releasing a new GT6 title, rather it be on the PS3 or PS4, around the next gen consoles wont, or shouldnt happen.

Personally I think PD is far along into GT6's development, and they could have shown it off at TGS 2012, even if it were just a short 'prerendered' trailer, but they have been told to stay quiet and wait for E3 to announce their game. If thats the case obviously it will be a PS4 game. They've really missed the chance to hype the game for the PS3. Can you imagine them trying to hype GT6 with PS3 visuals at E3 up against, lets say Forza 5 on the Durango/720 or even a PS4 Motorstorm? GT6 would have no chance

I actually have a lot of hope/faith that GT6 on PS4 will be delivered quite early in the consoles life. The main thing that gives me that hope is the fact Kaz said most of the work for the game is modelling the premium cars, 60% of total time I believe he said. Now we know they started working on GT6 before GT5 was released and no matter whether it was a PS3 game then or a PS4 game the bulk of the work, modelling the cars, was for both essentially.

So we know they've been modelling PS4 quality cars constantly since late 2010, it's pretty certain a PS4 will arrive late 2013 at the very earliest so that's another 3 years modelling cars (amongst the other 40% of work, of course). That should in theory mean they should be able to have a game ready to go by mid 2014 at the latest, no matter when the PS4 launches.

I don't expect a day 1 launch title whenever it does launch but within 6 months, I'm pretty hopeful.

What do you mean when you say PS4 quality cars? I would certainly hope all of GT5's cars are PS4 quality. Apparently GT5's cars are 100k polys in game and 500k polys in photomode. Just bump the ingame poly number up to 200k or 300k or even the full 500k if they can do that and improve other aspects of the visuals as well. How many polls on this forum have increased car visuals as one of the least wanted features from GT6. They're countless.

Sanity and reasonableness says we get GT6 within 6 months or so of PS4's launch. I do wonder if Sony though will let PD push GT6 back to Holiday 2014. Its really, really getting old, this whole waiting game. Does PD not realize a large portion of its fanbase, the portion that bought 5 or 6 million copies of their game in the first 2 weeks were disappointed in GT5, and many stopped playing within months, weeks, or even days?

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Gran Turismo needs to get back on the front foot. It needs to become a regular part of the racing game agenda; not a game that descends from Mount Olympus once every six years.

I'm willing to accept PD's excuse that GT5's cars were more suited to the next gen if, and only if, they go back to a respectable 2 year launch cycle with their games on PS4. When your direct Rival, Forza, is pumping out a game every 2 years with features like the livery editor your game has been missing for years 3-4 years between games is not acceptable.

There is a wildcard in all of this though, Gran Turismo 6 Prologue. Please, no. Just no. I will boycott that. Fool me once shame on you PD. Fool me twice shame on me.
 
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Considering we had to wait about 4 years (2006-2010) after ps3 launched for gt5 I'm not holding my breath for gt6. I can't see them putting out gt6 on a platform that can just handle Gt5 graphically as it is, it would be a waste of time in my opinion.
 
Personally I think PD is far along into GT6's development, and they could have shown it off at TGS 2012, even if it were just a short 'prerendered' trailer, but they have been told to stay quiet and wait for E3 to announce their game. If thats the case obviously it will be a PS4 game. They've really missed the chance to hype the game for the PS3. Can you imagine them trying to hype GT6 with PS3 visuals at E3 up against, lets say Forza 5 on the Durango/720 or even a PS4 Motorstorm? GT6 would have no chance

Ditto on all of that. You can't promote a PS3 game amongst all the hype of PS4/Nextbox. That's exactly why all the currently announced games are released before E3, it's surely no coincidence.



What do you mean when you say PS4 quality cars? I would certainly hope all of GT5's cars are PS4 quality. Apparently GT5's cars are 100k polys in game and 500k polys in photomode. Just bump the ingame poly number up to 200k or 300k or even the full 500k if they can do that and improve other aspects of the visuals as well. How many polls on this forum have increased car visuals as one of the least wanted features from GT6. They're countless.

Yes that is what I meant. We know the 'Premium' cars they've been modelling are high enough quality for PS4, however high they want to go on the LOD. Kaz said they started work on GT6 before GT5 was even released so no matter what the original goal was back then, even if it was a PS3 game originally they've been modelling PS4 quality cars the whole time.

So for that reason I'm confident that by the time GT6 release time comes around late this year or early next year they've had sufficient time to model enough cars to PS4 quality. 500-600 seems reasonable.

I'm willing to accept PD's excuse that GT5's cars were more suited to the next gen if, and only if, they go back to a respectable 2 year launch cycle with their games on PS4. When your direct Rival, Forza, is pumping out a game every 2 years with features like the livery editor your game has been missing for years 3-4 years between games is not acceptable.

Exactly, it's only so long your customers are going to put up with it when the competition comes quicker and evolves at a faster rate. Also who knows, there may be a direct PS4 competitor to PS4 sooner or later.

There is a wildcard in all of this though, Gran Turismo 6 Prologue. Please, no. Just no. I will boycott that. Fool me once shame on you PD. Fool me twice shame on me.

Again, ditto on that. It would be a huge slap in the face knowing after all this time PD what content PD should have on the table if they offer us a cut down demo again. Anything less than GT5 content in terms of general game content, minus overall car numbers wouldn't be acceptable.
 
I hope GT6 releases on both platforms. They already build up there OS for Ps3, they improved most of GT5 flaws, GT6 only needs more cars/tracks/customization/better a spec.

But I want it to be a PS4 launch title too. Ps4 probably won't have BC and I don't want to i
unplug it, just to play Gt5 on Ps3. Also, having to wait years for a proper ps4 GT would be too much for me.
 
Personally I find it irritating that PD spends so much time modeling these cars.

I don't need or want to read the manufacturer's mark on the head light of a car.
I don't care if the manufacturer's name is printed on the brake calipers. I do like to see the discs glow red though.

I think they waste too much time on the premium cars.

That being said, the standard cars could use a little improvement.

I just don't think they need to do as much as they do. BUT, I don't do the photo mode thing - I just race online.
 
I think the extra time spent on cars for this generation relative to last isn't because of poly count, but because more of it is visible. I personally don't believe that a high-res texture with visible headlamp manufacturer's logo takes significantly more time than the old textures to get in the game, either.

I'm confident that the biggest increase to modeling time has been due to the interiors because, well, just look at them. There hasn't really been anything like that before on this scale, and now the standard is to model all the parts under the skin, too (which PD don't do consistently). Eventually, it'll plateau, of course, once there's nothing extra left to model, and any new (modern) car being introduced will probably be re-factored from some simplified CAD files anyway, which should streamline things slightly.
 
I want GT6 to be released on PS4 because I want a rich GT experience that isn't hampered by hardware barriers on the PS3. Having said that, GT5 was the only reason I purchased my PS3, and I will only purchase a PS4 if GT6 is released onto it, which I think it will.
 
I want GT6 to be released on PS4 because I want a rich GT experience that isn't hampered by hardware barriers on the PS3. Having said that, GT5 was the only reason I purchased my PS3, and I will only purchase a PS4 if GT6 is released onto it, which I think it will.

Same here. To those that say "Sony doesn't need GT to sell titles"... you might want to take a perspective outside of your own. I, like Saffy, also purchased my PS3 for Gran Turismo (but also for the Bluray). Other games have been played on it, of course, but GT5 was the reason I got it.

And considering that every widely-released Gran Turismo title ever developed is in the top three of every Playstation system's most-sold games further reinforces the importance of GT to Sony. The timing is too perfect, it's most likely going to launch with (or close to) the PS4 for maximum sales effect.

Playstation Best Sellers list
 
I've been reading about Super GT & DTM merging regulations in 2014. Now there's more to it than just that but, PD know SUPER GT cars in GT are pretty much paramount before any other type of car. 2014 will see 2litre turbo engines in SUPER GT. we have just now received the HSV two years after it won the 2010 C'hip and it had some fine tuning in last couple months.
It is possible GT6 may be on PS4 due in part to waiting on info for next gen race cars( no doubt PD get sneak peeks of pretty much anything coming out). We do have GT Award winners from 2006-2009 and GT5 was released in 2009. I'm sure Awards winners from 2010-2013 will be in GT6.
Back to Super GT. Would it make sense of PD to remake the '08 cars and livery or make the '11/'12 cars knowing the the new gen cars are coming out 2014? Bear in mind if we do get a larger field of let's say 24 cars, would PD just keep the '08 models and add '11/'12 models like the Weider just to "save time" and DLC/GT7 2014 models? I highly doubt we'll see GT6 on PS3. Only speculation...
 
Same here. To those that say "Sony doesn't need GT to sell titles"... you might want to take a perspective outside of your own. I, like Saffy, also purchased my PS3 for Gran Turismo (but also for the Bluray). Other games have been played on it, of course, but GT5 was the reason I got it.

And considering that every widely-released Gran Turismo title ever developed is in the top three of every Playstation system's most-sold games further reinforces the importance of GT to Sony. The timing is too perfect, it's most likely going to launch with (or close to) the PS4 for maximum sales effect.

Playstation Best Sellers list

The GT series importance for PlayStation is especially true for the PS3. According to sales figures Gran Turismo 5 is the best selling GT title in relation to the number of consoles sold.

PS3 sales: 70,2 million
GT5 sales: 9 million (12,8 % of PS3 sales)

PS2 sales: 153,6 million
GT4 sales: 11,5 million (7,5 %)
GT3 sales: 14,9 million (9,7 %)

PS sales: 102,5 million
GT2 sales: 9,4 million (9,1 %)
GT sales: 10,9 million (10,6 %)

Source: All sales figures are from Wikipedia.

Although GT5 is not the only reason to buy a PS3 for all those 9 million people, it shows that around 10% of those who bought a PS3 is interested in driving games. If there were no Gran Turismo for PS3, those 10% might have found the Xbox a better option as it has the Forza series. Some people do buy both a PS3 and an Xbox, but as a lot of titles are released on both consoles, the main reason for buying both consoles would be to be able to play console exclusive titles. No GT for PS3 and there would be a big gap in sales, for sure.

Same thing applies for the PS4, if there is no Gran Turismo for the PS4, then those who are interested in driving games might just get an Xbox instead and Sony would lose a couple of million units on the sales figures.

Regarding PS3 or PS4, with that mysterious Sony event on February 20th, it's looking more and more likely that GT6 is going to be for the PS4.
 
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If the fact that the PS4 being announced officially on the 20th is true, which would be before GT6's official announcement, it would be pretty crazy/insane for GT6 to be a PS3 game.
 
Maybe Sony and PD are going to get it right this time and have GT6 ready for when the PS4 releases! Cross fingers and toe!
 
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