On which plattform do you think/do you want GT6 to be released?

[Samus]

That just doesn't happen though, does it? I know technically it could but it just doesn't, not for any game and not for AAA releases. Also you say they could announce it early next year and release it three months later, why do that when they could have announced it at TGS and had 6-8 months build up?

Announcing a game several years before you're truly ready is obviously a bad idea that Kaz doesn't want to repeat but I don't think he would go to an even further extreme.

As for why they wouldn't do it, only PD/Sony can tell you that. I thought the same 6+ months ago, I wanted a PS3 release and expected it in this poll but now I just don't see it.

 

[ch3ng]

AND, having the next GT as a launch title for PS4, there is no way they'd make 10 millions! It would be the worst decision ever.

I disagree. The worst decision would be not to release the biggest System seller early in the cycle while the competition releases their big system seller. For example Halo, Mario, Zelda.

GT6 on PS3 can't compete with Forza 5 on the new Xbox. I wonder how much sales a Xbox and Forza would get if Sony doesn't release GT6 as a competition after Forza did get better and better in this generation.

So when is this PS3 game going to be announced?

At E3 2013 i guess... Wait rumours say PS4 will be announced just before E3 2013.

My main point is: they want to make money don't they? Then PS3 is the way to go.

They want to sell the PS4 as fast as they can after they announced it. GT is the biggest System seller on a Playstation console.

What do you think they'll do?

 

[cassiusclay99]

I am saying: they will do both. Release a game/big DLC on PS3, and release a "prologue" stuff on PS4 launch.

They hired a lot of staff lately: to me that's the main reason (and because they don't want to reproduce the desaster that GT5 was in terms of production).

As I said: the work on PS3 is not lost on PS4. If GT6 is released in mid-2013 and the PS4 is released a year later, they will have plenty of time to do both (considering they obviously started working on PS4 a while ago)...

Anyway: we are all presuming here... and we are reduced to guess what they ll do when they gave us no information whatsoever.
I got that, to you, that proves that next GT is not for PS3: to me it proves nothing. Remember it's PD we're talking about: 2 months AFTER release, we were still not sure there were damages in GT5! ;-)

 

[Samus]

We are indeed guessing but a user here by the name of Amar who has strong "connections" strongly hinted at GT6 being on PS4. Take it as you will, but most of us took his riddle for that.

 

[cassiusclay99]

Amar said that? I thought I red he was convinced GT6 would come to PS3... Do you have a link to his post please?

 

[NABeast]

I was also convinced Amar was leaning toward a PS3 release until I read this.

Amar quote:

"Once the six skip the three
Saving for the four
Question stays about the five
Waiting for some more

Due the fact we knew too much
About the four and five
Six will hide until it can
Kevin Butlers' Jive

It's six step left six step right
Rinse, repeat and wait
The three will get some finger food
And four will celebrate."

 

[Arberstone]

I think some people are losing track of time, it's late 2012, all videogame development, planning and marketing for this year is done and dusted. The relevant parties will now be focused on '13 developments, and specifically what they will be releasing next Christmas, it seems 99.9% of videogame insiders believe this is when the next gen consoles will be released.

That being the case, these next gen games will have already been in development for at least 18-24 months, it's clear Turn 10 are working on the next gen Forza 5 while Playground Games developed Forza Horizon.

Given GT5 was release a year earlier than Forza 4, and next to nothing has been released in terms of DLC, it seems quite clear GT5 development on PS3 is done and dusted (other than small performance/bug fixes). It also seems clear to me the PS3 is not upto it power wise to deliver a GT6 worthy of the name, it was already creaking back in 2010.

Sony and PD do not operate in isolation, they need to compete with the next gen Xbox, the launches of which will be huge deals. The manufacturer's will want to put their best step forward, in Sony's case, a GT6 launch title would sell to practically every new owner, then there's another 5 years of residual sales before a GT7 could cap off the PS4 lifecycle.

Can you imagine how damaged the GT series would be if Forza were already near enough two next games down the line before a PS4 GT was released?

 

[Samus]

Indeed, their hand has been forced by the fact they released GT5 so late into the cycle. Initially they probably wanted to release another PS3 game but dev time just wasn't there, Sony can't hang around for PD.

 

[avens]

Trusting amar's word, I don't see all GT fanboys buying once again a playstation hoping the console and the next GT will be good. Not now that xbox and forza are considerably ahead.

As I wrote some time ago, I'll buy only one console next gen (not all 3 like this one) so I'll wait a bit for exclusive games and console reviews. If the 720 and Forza5 are solid then I'll just buy the 720, because waiting for the PS4 and GT6 is absurd and tbh the latest 2 forzas (4 and horizon) schooled PD and we know they work turn10 (and others related) work a lot faster.

 

[thelvynau]

Trusting amar's word, I don't see all GT fanboys buying once again a playstation hoping the console and the next GT will be good. Not now that xbox and forza are considerably ahead.

As I wrote some time ago, I'll buy only one console next gen (not all 3 like this one) so I'll wait a bit for exclusive games and console reviews. If the 720 and Forza5 are solid then I'll just buy the 720, because waiting for the PS4 and GT6 is absurd and tbh the latest 2 forzas (4 and horizon) schooled PD.

Ill have to agree with this.

I wont be buying multiple next gen consoles so I will be also waiting to see reviews of both systems before I buy and what games are available.

Gt5 has made me cautious about what to buy now.

 

[Spagetti69]

Trusting amar's word, I don't see all GT fanboys buying once again a playstation hoping the console and the next GT will be good. Not now that xbox and forza are considerably ahead.

As I wrote some time ago, I'll buy only one console next gen (not all 3 like this one) so I'll wait a bit for exclusive games and console reviews. If the 720 and Forza5 are solid then I'll just buy the 720, because waiting for the PS4 and GT6 is absurd and tbh the latest 2 forzas (4 and horizon) schooled PD and we know they work turn10 (and others related) work a lot faster.

I'm in the same boat. Can't see me getting both consoles. Maybe much later in the cycle I may purchase a PS4. By that time it will have a decent library and less cost.

My mind is already made up. I don't like being left in the dark and playing the guessing game.
T10 communicate with the fan base.

 

[NSXDriver]

I don't think Sony would make the mistake of releasing a new GT game on the PS3, seeing as we all know the PS4 is in development and on it's way, they'll obviously want to move consoles off the shelves and what better way to do that then to release the "next-gen" GT game on it, it is a business after all, that PS3 you bought isn't making them any money and GT is a great way to force people to buy a PS4, easy decision.

 

[occasionalracer]

My mind is already made up. I don't like being left in the dark and playing the guessing game.
T10 communicate with the fan base.

Ok, see ya in 2017-2018 for GT7's release .... at this point you may possibly have a slight change of mind when the PS4 is a whopping $150 cheaper. Enjoy the deep communication with T10.

 

[DriftEmotion FC]

It has to be done on PS4 think guys they didn't even have enough hardware on PS3 to do what they wanted not even close as much as they wanted so if they want to make it any better than GT5 it has to be done on PS4

 

[avens]

It has to be done on PS4 think guys they didn't even have enough hardware on PS3 to do what they wanted not even close as much as they wanted so if they want to make it any better than GT5 it has to be done on PS4

Most of GT5s issues are not because of the hardware. Even 11/24/2012 GT5 feels unfinished and with wrong decisions made, so I'd be happy with GT5.5 called GT6.

Now that it is semi official gt6 is on the ps4 I'm gonna say this:
1.- Would have bought GT6 on the ps3 just to support the devs, but I'm not spending hundreds of dollars on that.
2.- If it were to be released on the ps3 GT5.5 would have been fine. On the other hand GT6 on the ps4 has to be a massive improvement, and not released in 2016.
3.- They have competition now, and it's safe to say PD is behind them. We know pd works considerably slower than most developers and that even though they hired more people they still are small compared to other devs they are competing against. I have no idea how they can make a comeback.
4.- PD has to win me over once again, because most of my fanboy-ism was lost with gt5. I bought a ps3 just for that game and I registered on gtp based on e-rage, and we know the ps3 was a failure itself (I think of it as wasted money and only turn it on every 6 months or so) and gt5 does not represent 6 years of work by any means whatsoever.
5.- Finally, my decision and the decision of lots of customers will be mostly based on the consoles more than GT6 or Forza99. I'm assuming the PS4 will be a failure in comparison to the 720 (wiiu does not exist to me).

 

[Samus]

It has to be done on PS4 think guys they didn't even have enough hardware on PS3 to do what they wanted not even close as much as they wanted so if they want to make it any better than GT5 it has to be done on PS4

You should try punctuation sometime, you might like it.

 

[Spagetti69]

Ok, see ya in 2017-2018 for GT7's release .....

Optimistic their fella.

 

[another_jakhole]

Ok, see ya in 2017-2018 for GT7's release .... at this point you may possibly have a slight change of mind when the PS4 is a whopping $150 cheaper. Enjoy the deep communication with T10.

Optimistic their fella.

haha Honestly, I find both of your posts to be funny and (insightful?). Neither negative nor positive. "Fella"... lol


I'm actually with occasionalracer with this one. Maybe another year later than he feels, but whatever.


Edit -
Wait. never mind. I totally agree with occasionalracer's time stamp/ballpark time stamp.

 

[Tapey]

Finally, my decision and the decision of lots of customers will be mostly based on the consoles more than GT6 or Forza99. I'm assuming the PS4 will be a failure in comparison to the 720 (wiiu does not exist to me).

I'd just like to point out that it's not terribly wise to assume things such as this, be it the PS4 being a failure or a success.

Take this console generation for example, given Nintendo's track record, nobody expected them to dominate sales as much as they did. Of course, you could easily make an argument that just because the Wii sold such a ridiculously large amount and was a success, it still wasn't a console that was worth owning due to lack of worthwhile games.

The Xbox 360 got a year head start over the PS3 and many assumed that the PS3 would die and push Sony out of the console business. What's happened now however, near the end of the generation? Sales of the PS3 worldwide have now overtaken the Xbox 360, pushing Microsoft back into 3rd place yet again.

Of course, this could change once more and maybe Sony will end this generation in last place, but placing bets on who will succeed and who will fail will rarely provide the expected results, and this console generation is absolutely proof of that.

If you prefer the Forza Motorsport series however and are frustrated by Sony and PD's handling of the Gran Turismo franchise, then of course it makes sense for you to invest in the next Xbox, especially since it's pretty much confirmed that the new Xbox will launch with Forza 5 near the end of the year. Since Microsoft has officially stated that the Forza franchise will see yearly releases (alternating between Forza Motorsport games and Forza Horizon games) then you'll likely be very pleased with the regularity of releases

All I will say however not to make any assumptions as to which consoles will succeed and which will fail, since there are far too many variables at play.

Personally I'm very curious to see if the PS4 will actually have a smaller GT game within the first year of launch. I can't help but wonder if Sony has looked back at the tremendous success that the PS2 saw when it rolled out the gate with GT3, and instructed PD to focus on developing a smaller, less content heavy GT game to help shift units at launch. I imagine Sony would see very impressive sales if they pushed the PS4 out accompanied by new Killzone and Gran Turismo games!

 

[thelvynau]

I'd just like to point out that it's not terribly wise to assume things such as this, be it the PS4 being a failure or a success.

Take this console generation for example, given Nintendo's track record, nobody expected them to dominate sales as much as they did. Of course, you could easily make an argument that just because the Wii sold such a ridiculously large amount and was a success, it still wasn't a console that was worth owning due to lack of worthwhile games.

The Xbox 360 got a year head start over the PS3 and many assumed that the PS3 would die and push Sony out of the console business. What's happened now however, near the end of the generation? Sales of the PS3 worldwide have now overtaken the Xbox 360, pushing Microsoft back into 3rd place yet again.

Of course, this could change once more and maybe Sony will end this generation in last place, but placing bets on who will succeed and who will fail will rarely provide the expected results, and this console generation is absolutely proof of that.

If you prefer the Forza Motorsport series however and are frustrated by Sony and PD's handling of the Gran Turismo franchise, then of course it makes sense for you to invest in the next Xbox, especially since it's pretty much confirmed that the new Xbox will launch with Forza 5 near the end of the year. Since Microsoft has officially stated that the Forza franchise will see yearly releases (alternating between Forza Motorsport games and Forza Horizon games) then you'll likely be very pleased with the regularity of releases

All I will say however not to make any assumptions as to which consoles will succeed and which will fail, since there are far too many variables at play.

Personally I'm very curious to see if the PS4 will actually have a smaller GT game within the first year of launch. I can't help but wonder if Sony has looked back at the tremendous success that the PS2 saw when it rolled out the gate with GT3, and instructed PD to focus on developing a smaller, less content heavy GT game to help shift units at launch. I imagine Sony would see very impressive sales if they pushed the PS4 out accompanied by new Killzone and Gran Turismo games!

Do you have a link regarding the new xbox and forza 5 being confirmed for the end of the year? I would like to read it.

 

[avens]

I'd just like to point out that it's not terribly wise to assume things such as this, be it the PS4 being a failure or a success.

With the difference that nintendo always earns money. Sony is losing heavily on every single of their markets, including consoles, while microsoft is finally making revenue on this.

In the end it's just pure frustration. Lets say the 720 and forza5 launch in late 2014 (or horizon 2 in 2014 and forza5 in 2015): Why should I wait for the ps4 and gt6?

 

[Tapey]

Do you have a link regarding the new xbox and forza 5 being confirmed for the end of the year? I would like to read it.

Here is a link where Microsoft France confirms Forza 5 for 2013 and as for the next Xbox coming in 2013, you can just Google that and be bombarded with all sorts of information on the matter. I suppose Forza 5 could slip perhaps, but it seems that Microsoft is gunning for yearly releases now.

With the difference that nintendo always earns money. Sony is losing heavily on every single of their markets, including consoles, while microsoft is finally making revenue on this.

In the end it's just pure frustration. Lets say the 720 and forza5 launch in late 2014 (or horizon 2 in 2014 and forza5 in 2015): Why should I wait for the ps4 and gt6?

Where in my post did I say that you should wait for the PS4 and GT6?

If you re-read it, you'll see that I actually said that you would probably be best going for the next Xbox and FM5 instead. All I was saying however, is that as this generation proves, trying to guess who will win and fail early on (nevermind doing so before the next generation even starts) is foolish.

 

[ch3ng]

The Xbox 360 got a year head start over the PS3 and many assumed that the PS3 would die and push Sony out of the console business. What's happened now however, near the end of the generation? Sales of the PS3 worldwide have now overtaken the Xbox 360, pushing Microsoft back into 3rd place yet again.

PS3 is on the 3rd place according to vgchartz

 

[Tapey]

PS3 is on the 3rd place according to vgchartz

VGChartz guess numbers, they're in no way accurate.

If you look at the official numbers released by both Sony and Microsoft during the last fiscal quarter, where each company officially details lifetime sales for their consoles, you'll see that the PS3 has overtaken the Xbox 360 (PS3 is at 70.2 million consoles sold while the 360 is at 70 million).

Of course, the Xbox 360 could overtake the PS3 again in the future because the actual difference in sales is small, but as of right now the PS3 is in the lead according to the official numbers from Microsoft and Sony.

 

[Scaff]

VGChartz guess numbers, they're in no way accurate.

If you look at the official numbers released by both Sony and Microsoft during the last fiscal quarter, where each company officially details lifetime sales for their consoles, you'll see that the PS3 has overtaken the Xbox 360 (PS3 is at 70.2 million consoles sold while the 360 is at 70 million).

Of course, the Xbox 360 could overtake the PS3 again in the future because the actual difference in sales is small, but as of right now the PS3 is in the lead according to the official numbers from Microsoft and Sony.

Keep in mind that for both those figures you are looking at sold to supply chain figures and not to end users (of which Sony and MS have no real idea).

 

[GT Motion]

GT5 cant handle shadows, dirt, snow, or water without major jaggies and graphic flaws as it is. Let GT6 come out on new hardware that can actually handle the game so we don't have issues like in GT5. GT5 looks very unfinished and it somewhat of a disappointment when it comes to shadows, water, dirt, etc.

Keep in mind that for both those figures you are looking at sold to supply chain figures and not to end users (of which Sony and MS have no real idea).

Good observation but it doesn't change much. Stores wouldn't keep buying consoles if they aren't selling.

 

[avens]

And that does not count production cost. Probably the ps3 costs more to make than the 360, uber cpu and bluray included.

edit: I remember reading both lose money with every console made. Nintendo is the only one that makes direct profit with the wii.

 

[Scaff]

Good observation but it doesn't change much. Stores wouldn't keep buying consoles if they aren't selling.

Store's will both buy what they can sell and also buy what the supplier is offering incentives on, particularly if they believe they will be able to sell it in an upcoming period. That's doesn't always mean that they will always manage to sell them and therefore what sales period they shoudl actually be in (from a retail standpoint).

Its why over-production, over-supply and sale or return exists in all retail markets.

If car manufacturers do this to inflate built and registered numbers then its not a leap to see others doing the same. Sold into the supply chain =/= sold to the public and never will (and just to be clear I'm stating this about both Sony and MS).

 

[Raggadish]

With the difference that nintendo always earns money. Sony is losing heavily on every single of their markets, including consoles, while microsoft is finally making revenue on this.

Could you provide any links or referals to this statement since it is a rather big one and sounds a bit like something you've made up yourself(apologies in advance if it's not). I'd be happy with a videogame news site reporting on this, but I know how to read financial reports so linking to those would be great. I know Sony as a concern is losing money, but didn't know the SCE(sony computer entertainment)subsidiary did too. Thanks.

 

[avens]

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13506_3-10448137-17.html
http://www.gamespot.com/news/microsoft-taking-126-hit-per-xbox-360-6140383
http://www.newser.com/story/156535/nintendo-will-lose-money-on-every-wii-u-sold.html
http://n4g.com/news/976706/each-xbox-360-sold-nets-microsoft-115-in-profits

What we learned in those 5 seconds in google is companies are willing to lose money at the beginning, but not afterwards.
Problem is sony kept losing money on every ps3 sold for years, and that's a problem. No idea how much or if they still do (those links were the very first that appeared on google).

And I remember wii was the only one that didn't lose money at the beginning of the previous console gen, but didn't appear on google in 3 seconds. The wiiU does.