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On which plattform do you think/do you want GT6 to be released?
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occasionalracer-> Your comment is really what makes GT serie not evolve enough.
yes, GT is about driving, and FIFA is about playing soccer. Though you can - and have to- propose new things and original ways of experiencing the driving in a car game.
Seriously man: try other car games and see by yourself that, unlike PD, many developpers ask themselves the right questions: they may not have the right answers, but they don't just rely on "a car game is about driving. period".
Try EA's autolog and see by yourself what a great online integration can be if you try.
Man: GT5 doesn't even have leaderboards! Is it a joke?
Where we agree though, is that online in GT MUST get a huge improvement...as, as it is right now, it's a terrible mess: the worst thougt online mode in my opinion: everytime I want to play online, I feel that it s slow a real pain to find a good race. I feel like the game puishes me for wanting to play.
PLUS: until a month ago, THE ONLINE PHYSICS WERE DIFFERENT FROM THE OFFLINE ONES!!! I mean: how worse can it get? For a game that is supposedly the most accurate driving simulator, how can 2 different physics even exist ?! ... Man: PD completly dropped the ball in GT5.
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GT1, GT2, GT3 and GT4 had no online mode... and they were still ****ing fantastic games. Much better than GT5 imo.
yes, GT is about driving, and FIFA is about playing soccer. Though you can - and have to- propose new things and original ways of experiencing the driving in a car game.
Seriously man: try other car games and see by yourself that, unlike PD, many developpers ask themselves the right questions: they may not have the right answers, but they don't just rely on "a car game is about driving. period".
Try EA's autolog and see by yourself what a great online integration can be if you try.
Man: GT5 doesn't even have leaderboards! Is it a joke?
Where we agree though, is that online in GT MUST get a huge improvement...as, as it is right now, it's a terrible mess: the worst thougt online mode in my opinion: everytime I want to play online, I feel that it s slow a real pain to find a good race. I feel like the game puishes me for wanting to play.
PLUS: until a month ago, THE ONLINE PHYSICS WERE DIFFERENT FROM THE OFFLINE ONES!!! I mean: how worse can it get? For a game that is supposedly the most accurate driving simulator, how can 2 different physics even exist ?! ... Man: PD completly dropped the ball in GT5.
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GT1, GT2, GT3 and GT4 had no online mode... and they were still ****ing fantastic games. Much better than GT5 imo.
Exactly. The "Things You Want To See In GT6 Besides Cars and Tracks" thread showed there are tons of great ideas they could implement and most of them aren't graphics related, it's mostly just gameplay innovation.
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About the physics thing. I have been waiting for that update for almost 2 years. I am so happy it finally came. Everything feels so much better and I enjoy the game even more. Like i have said before I have done GT5 7 different times on 7 different accounts (all A-Spec races legit even endurance races in one night straight through) i am currently doing it again for a 8th time. I have been somewhat impressed with everything specially over the last few updates.
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I just have a different perspective of looking at the game as is, but most importantly that GT has everything to evolve into the most universally accepted racing sim of all. Honestly, if people reading the forums here who have never played it, with the consistent whining about GT5's flaws and how it's SUCH a bad game, they would think the game is just an utterly disaterous failure. IMHO, it's so totally not and for the un-fun offline aspect, it makes up for it with it's excellent graphics and physics. I don't get how GT1-4 is supposed to be SO much better, it's just not true.
I know the physics were just updated, it's made a positive difference, but there's still holes in the physics overall. Think about it, if it took PD that long to make that physics tweak, think about how many different ways the programmers at PD were trying to make it work on PS3, it is simply a nightmare to make the slightest changes to this game, I can absolutely assure you they are not too dumb or lazy to have needed 2 years for that.
I totally agree with your frustration with online gameplay, it can be annoying to get a good race going with people who have comparable "online rating" and there should be a massive overhaul in the way we can connect with certain type of races and so on. There's a lot that can be done there.
I think PD have everything pretty much under control, I think GT6 will be a great racing game, they certainly won't go "even more backwards" as so many believe they have with GT5.
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It's not a massive disappointment or anything, but I stronly disagree that excellent graphics and physics make up for the disappointing offline gameplay elements. They're all equally important. GT1-4 aren't necessarily better, but it's the lack of progression in offline gameplay elements compared to those games that disappointed many gamers. GT4 IS probably better in that area, and that's a shame.
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I agree, and to fair, the only reason I rate GT5 over GT4 is because of today's technology. 1080p, excellent FFB wheels and online. Yes, not the best comparison, but imagine if even with today's internet technology it wouldn't be possible to game with people all over the world with only milliseconds of delay... like half second delay.... real racing could not happen.
Yes, I grew up without online gaming, perhaps that's why I see it as the most incredible technology which is still hard to believe. That's why I could care less about offline, AI can never, ever be human like in racing, it's impossible. Anyway, I hope they can make the whole package a delight, because I do know there are many many people around the world who for one reason or another can not enjoy high-speed internet connection, and that has to be respected without a doubt.
Yes, I grew up without online gaming, perhaps that's why I see it as the most incredible technology which is still hard to believe. That's why I could care less about offline, AI can never, ever be human like in racing, it's impossible. Anyway, I hope they can make the whole package a delight, because I do know there are many many people around the world who for one reason or another can not enjoy high-speed internet connection, and that has to be respected without a doubt.
Not so long ago I would have bet my house on GT6 being a PS3 title, today I'd be shocked if it wasn't a PS4 game, I'm even edging towards it being a launch title.
All indications are the next gen will not have the same graphical leap as other generations, the goal is still to display at 1080p, but with a greater number of graphical effects, 3D, richer environments etc., all at a solid 60fps.
GT6 on PS4 won't require car detail greater than those already on display with premium models, what it does need is much more detailed tracks and richer environments, more impressive dynamic weather effects and at least double the number of cars on tracks. All this will be wrapped up with a slicker interface and greater integration with online services.
At this point there has been zero GT6 news other than admitting it's existence, given the 6 month marketing push such titles receive, even if announced today, you'd only be looking at a summer release at the earliest.
By that stage PS4 hype will be wild, the console will be officially announced either at CES in January or at E3 around May time, once this happens PS3 will be a afterthought for hardcore gamers and the press. Sony's biggest franchise won't launch on a system which is no longer it's major focus, the PS3 will be focusing on family games like Wonderbook, PS4 will be the platform for Sonys big hitters.
My belief GT6 could be a launch title are numerous.
1. Many of the graphical assets, particularly cars, will be similar to GT5, they won't be starting from scratch once again.
2. Sony needs a stellar PS4 launch to stay on terms, or even beat, the 720. They need big sales to gather momentum and ensure developer support, they can't have another scenario were 3rd parties focus on the Xbox because thats where the critical mass is, resulting in poor ports to Playstation.
3. GT5 development was an unmitigated disaster, it would have put out of business other developers who don't have such a large, loyal fanbase. The poor product, allied to massive delays, MUST have shaken up Sony/PD, they both need an early GT6 release to demonstrate lessons have been learned. They cannot rely on fans staying loyal 3-4 years after PS4's launch waiting for GT6.
4. There maybe question marks over GT6's launch, but you can guarantee Forza 5 will be out next Q4 on Xbox 720, you can almost certainly also guarantee it will be a great title. A GT6 release on PS3 would compare poorly against a next gen Forza, for GT6 to regain the series' credibility it needs to be on PS4 and released prompty, it really is last chance saloon for PD.
All indications are the next gen will not have the same graphical leap as other generations, the goal is still to display at 1080p, but with a greater number of graphical effects, 3D, richer environments etc., all at a solid 60fps.
GT6 on PS4 won't require car detail greater than those already on display with premium models, what it does need is much more detailed tracks and richer environments, more impressive dynamic weather effects and at least double the number of cars on tracks. All this will be wrapped up with a slicker interface and greater integration with online services.
At this point there has been zero GT6 news other than admitting it's existence, given the 6 month marketing push such titles receive, even if announced today, you'd only be looking at a summer release at the earliest.
By that stage PS4 hype will be wild, the console will be officially announced either at CES in January or at E3 around May time, once this happens PS3 will be a afterthought for hardcore gamers and the press. Sony's biggest franchise won't launch on a system which is no longer it's major focus, the PS3 will be focusing on family games like Wonderbook, PS4 will be the platform for Sonys big hitters.
My belief GT6 could be a launch title are numerous.
1. Many of the graphical assets, particularly cars, will be similar to GT5, they won't be starting from scratch once again.
2. Sony needs a stellar PS4 launch to stay on terms, or even beat, the 720. They need big sales to gather momentum and ensure developer support, they can't have another scenario were 3rd parties focus on the Xbox because thats where the critical mass is, resulting in poor ports to Playstation.
3. GT5 development was an unmitigated disaster, it would have put out of business other developers who don't have such a large, loyal fanbase. The poor product, allied to massive delays, MUST have shaken up Sony/PD, they both need an early GT6 release to demonstrate lessons have been learned. They cannot rely on fans staying loyal 3-4 years after PS4's launch waiting for GT6.
4. There maybe question marks over GT6's launch, but you can guarantee Forza 5 will be out next Q4 on Xbox 720, you can almost certainly also guarantee it will be a great title. A GT6 release on PS3 would compare poorly against a next gen Forza, for GT6 to regain the series' credibility it needs to be on PS4 and released prompty, it really is last chance saloon for PD.
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Just a short heads-up for the people that think the next-gen is far far away. A one week old tweet from Christofer Sunberg from the Just Cause Developer Avalaunche (Publisher Square Enix).
"Christofer Sundberg ‏@CHSundberg
We're shipping 'em back. Going next-gen on your asses."
Plus a picture from the ps3 and xbox 360 devkits that they have been sending back.
If such a "small" studio is already working on next gen hardware, then PD as a part of Sony must be working on the PS4 for a while now.
Next-gen can come, I am ready.
"Christofer Sundberg ‏@CHSundberg
We're shipping 'em back. Going next-gen on your asses."
Plus a picture from the ps3 and xbox 360 devkits that they have been sending back.
If such a "small" studio is already working on next gen hardware, then PD as a part of Sony must be working on the PS4 for a while now.
Next-gen can come, I am ready.
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It would be stupid of them to release it only on PS4. They would not get as many sales as they did on PS3. Because who wants to buy a BRAND NEW system ($300-$500) and a brand new game ($60-$70)
I think the question is moot as long as Kaz is at the helm. He is seriously out of touch with what his fans want. I don't think he knows how to make the game any better, he's stuck in the 90's. There's not much reason to believe that GT6 will be any better a game than GT5. It might have more premium cars, or more tracks, but it won't be more fun to play.
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Do you want a GT6 release on both consoles?
Your idea would....:
Hurt GT6 on PS3 sells,
Hurt PS4 sells,
Hurt GT6 on PS4 sells,
Make development alot harder,
Hurt the quality of the game, and so on.
Not a good idea sorry.
I want a GT6 to take advantage of one plattform.
jabofuJust a short heads-up for the people that think the next-gen is far far away. A one week old tweet from Christofer Sunberg from the Just Cause Developer Avalaunche (Publisher Square Enix).
"Christofer Sundberg ‏@CHSundberg
We're shipping 'em back. Going next-gen on your asses."
Plus a picture from the ps3 and xbox 360 devkits that they have been sending back.
If such a "small" studio is already working on next gen hardware, then PD as a part of Sony must be working on the PS4 for a while now.
Next-gen can come, I am ready.
I said a while ago that i think the new console will be released in 2013-2014
They made a mistake with GT5, because they released it to late. They'll not make the same mistake again. Sony will release GT6 early on PS4 and Gt7 at the end of the PS4 cycle.
Just my 2 cents
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Do you want a GT6 release on both consoles?
Your idea would....:
Hurt GT6 on PS3 sells,
Hurt PS4 sells,
Hurt GT6 on PS4 sells,
Make development alot harder,
Hurt the quality of the game, and so on.
Not a good idea sorry.
I want a GT6 to take advantage of one plattform.
I said a while ago that i think the new console will be released in 2013-2014
They made a mistake with GT5, because they released it to late. They'll not make the same mistake again. Sony will release GT6 early on PS4 and Gt7 at the end of the PS4 cycle.
Just my 2 cents
^This....
Assuming that they learnt from there stuff up with GT5 and with the PS4 due to be released in the next 12-24 months (speculation), GT6 should come out as a starter game for it.
If it was to be released on PS3, it would of been released by now
It's not just major multiplatform development studios that are now switching development to next gen consoles, but even publishers such as Sony have been focusing their first party studios on PS4 development for the past two years now.
This may in fact come as a shock to some, to know that next gen games have been in development for the past two years, but given the way that the industry works this is to be expected. Take for example Sony Studio Liverpool (RIP) one of my personal favourite development teams with an illustrious career of high quality releases. Prior to Sony officially shutting them down a few months ago, they had in fact been working on a Wipeout game to be a PS4 launch title for "somewhere between 18 and 24 months". I have no doubt that Sony also has other studios that have been quiet for a while (Guerilla Games, Media Molecule, Evolution Studios, Sucker Punch) busy working on games for the PS4 as well.
So what of Polyphony Digital? I honestly think that it's much harder to tell whether they have also joined the other studios with PS4 development, or if GT6 is being developed as a swan song of sorts for the aging PS3 hardware, and one of the final major releases before Sony transitions to new hardware officially.
The reason it's hard to tell is because we can not be sure as to what Sony is actually planning for the release of the PS4. It's pretty much a given that Microsoft will release the next Xbox in 2013, but with Sony I would say that there is a solid 50/50 chance with them releasing 2013 or 2014. Whereas Microsoft's first party releases completely dry up in the first half of 2013, Sony has a strong lineup of releases through the entirety of 2013 with God of War Ascension in March, with Beyond: Two Souls and The Last of Us following. Combine this with general industry and developer chatter indicating that Sony will be last out the gate once more, there's simply no concrete way of determining if they will push the PS4 out in 2013 or the year after.
Due to GT5 releasing back in 2010, I imagine that if the PS4 does not make an appearance in 2013, then GT6 will (likely not released, but announced and detailed for a release for the PS3 in 2014 perhaps). Three years to work on a new game is plenty of time now that the engine is up-and-running and their main efforts will be content creation, and I suspect that Sony will not want to pass up on the tremendous install base and likely similar sales figures to GT5 that they would see.
If we do see the PS4 in 2013 however? I'd count on not hearing from Polyphony Digital for another couple of years at minimum, and GT6 most definitely being developed for the PS4.
That's my personal estimate at least, that we see either a PS4 announcement or a GT6 announcement at E3 2013. If we see neither from Sony's E3 conference then prepare for the absolute worst, since they've most likely assigned Polyphony Digital the task of creating a game for the Vita to try and get people to buy it
This may in fact come as a shock to some, to know that next gen games have been in development for the past two years, but given the way that the industry works this is to be expected. Take for example Sony Studio Liverpool (RIP) one of my personal favourite development teams with an illustrious career of high quality releases. Prior to Sony officially shutting them down a few months ago, they had in fact been working on a Wipeout game to be a PS4 launch title for "somewhere between 18 and 24 months". I have no doubt that Sony also has other studios that have been quiet for a while (Guerilla Games, Media Molecule, Evolution Studios, Sucker Punch) busy working on games for the PS4 as well.
So what of Polyphony Digital? I honestly think that it's much harder to tell whether they have also joined the other studios with PS4 development, or if GT6 is being developed as a swan song of sorts for the aging PS3 hardware, and one of the final major releases before Sony transitions to new hardware officially.
The reason it's hard to tell is because we can not be sure as to what Sony is actually planning for the release of the PS4. It's pretty much a given that Microsoft will release the next Xbox in 2013, but with Sony I would say that there is a solid 50/50 chance with them releasing 2013 or 2014. Whereas Microsoft's first party releases completely dry up in the first half of 2013, Sony has a strong lineup of releases through the entirety of 2013 with God of War Ascension in March, with Beyond: Two Souls and The Last of Us following. Combine this with general industry and developer chatter indicating that Sony will be last out the gate once more, there's simply no concrete way of determining if they will push the PS4 out in 2013 or the year after.
Due to GT5 releasing back in 2010, I imagine that if the PS4 does not make an appearance in 2013, then GT6 will (likely not released, but announced and detailed for a release for the PS3 in 2014 perhaps). Three years to work on a new game is plenty of time now that the engine is up-and-running and their main efforts will be content creation, and I suspect that Sony will not want to pass up on the tremendous install base and likely similar sales figures to GT5 that they would see.
If we do see the PS4 in 2013 however? I'd count on not hearing from Polyphony Digital for another couple of years at minimum, and GT6 most definitely being developed for the PS4.
That's my personal estimate at least, that we see either a PS4 announcement or a GT6 announcement at E3 2013. If we see neither from Sony's E3 conference then prepare for the absolute worst, since they've most likely assigned Polyphony Digital the task of creating a game for the Vita to try and get people to buy it
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Thats why GT3 was such a big mistake with a release on the PS2 instead on the PS1. And "nobody" wanted to pay for a new PS2 and the game.
Seriously why didnt they stayed with the PS1 till today. GT5 would be amazing on that hardware.
In ten years, we are looking on the PS3 as we look now on the PS1.
If you are late in the console cycle and got your console for a small price, that is your problem. Other people were there at day one and supported the system. The PS3 is over five years old...
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I think GT6 will be on PS3 and PSVita because Yoshida said something like he wouldn't be surprised hearing more info (on GT6) rather soon.
Why would he say that if it were planned for release on PS4?
They haven't even announced PS4/Orbis yet.
My theory is GT6 will be one of those cross play games like rachet and clank q force where if you buy the PSVita version you'll get a PS3 version for free,or something along those lines.
PD have already made a portable version of GT on PSP,so why not use cross play to boost sales of PSVita?Perhaps that's why he wasn't at liberty to talk about a PSVita version of GT.
Kaz seems to be very secretive or is it because Sony are secretive and he wants to give info but Sony won't let him.
Why would he say that if it were planned for release on PS4?
They haven't even announced PS4/Orbis yet.
My theory is GT6 will be one of those cross play games like rachet and clank q force where if you buy the PSVita version you'll get a PS3 version for free,or something along those lines.
PD have already made a portable version of GT on PSP,so why not use cross play to boost sales of PSVita?Perhaps that's why he wasn't at liberty to talk about a PSVita version of GT.
Kaz seems to be very secretive or is it because Sony are secretive and he wants to give info but Sony won't let him.
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Premium car models in GT5 are already future-proof: in that sense, we could say that they were working on the next-gen GT from the start.
Now, they have tons of modeled cars, a working graphic engine, many tracks already done.... i can't imagine PD not releasing a new iteration on PS3: this will be easy money! AND: the work they do on it will be useful for next gen: the tracks, the new cars, the new sounds, etc... all they would have to do is upgrade from it to fit PS4 power (or downgrade PS4 models to fit PS3 power: not as easy as it sounds but still, easier to work with this in mind).
Everything they will do for GT6 on PS3 (or whatever they call it: might be GT5 Spec 3, a huge DLC,...) will also be used for next gen.
PD sold 25 millions games (without the prologue) on PS2...no way they stay at 10 this gen: this would be such a poor move, in terms of production value. AND, having the next GT as a launch title for PS4, there is no way they'd make 10 millions! It would be the worst decision ever.
So my bet is: a GT6 (or GT5 SpecX) on PS3...and a GT next prologue as a launch title for PS4...and then the real deal later, whan the PS4 user base is bigger.
That's what they have to do to make money.
Now, they have tons of modeled cars, a working graphic engine, many tracks already done.... i can't imagine PD not releasing a new iteration on PS3: this will be easy money! AND: the work they do on it will be useful for next gen: the tracks, the new cars, the new sounds, etc... all they would have to do is upgrade from it to fit PS4 power (or downgrade PS4 models to fit PS3 power: not as easy as it sounds but still, easier to work with this in mind).
Everything they will do for GT6 on PS3 (or whatever they call it: might be GT5 Spec 3, a huge DLC,...) will also be used for next gen.
PD sold 25 millions games (without the prologue) on PS2...no way they stay at 10 this gen: this would be such a poor move, in terms of production value. AND, having the next GT as a launch title for PS4, there is no way they'd make 10 millions! It would be the worst decision ever.
So my bet is: a GT6 (or GT5 SpecX) on PS3...and a GT next prologue as a launch title for PS4...and then the real deal later, whan the PS4 user base is bigger.
That's what they have to do to make money.
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Well... I have no idea when it would come: but I am pretty sure they will talk about it very late, not long before it ships : they wouldn't make twice the same mistake would they? I d say somewhere around mid-2013 would make sense: just before officially announcing PS4. Maybe the announcement will have some "next-gen-GT" video like GTHD at its time.
But, considering PD's total lack of logic and sense about GT5, there is still a good chance that my reasoning is way too logic for Yamauchi and that he gives up on PS3 to focus on PS4...
This gen, PD never missed an opportunity to disappoint.
PS: All the major first party teams are still cooking something for PS3: Santa Monica (GOW ascension), Naughty Dogs (The last of us), Quantic Dream (Beyond two souls), Japan Studio (The very very very last guardian), ... asfor Guerilla games, noone knows if KZ4 will be on PS3 or PS4 (my guess is PS4 though...). i don't see why, from all these devs, sony would sacrifice their biggest franchise (by very far). And it would mean that the only devs that cannot deliver games in time are...the japanese ones (2 KZ, 3 uncharted+Last of us, 2 games from QD, 3 games from Sucker Punch) ! PD is the biggest money maker for Sony. Surely they will make the most of it.
But, considering PD's total lack of logic and sense about GT5, there is still a good chance that my reasoning is way too logic for Yamauchi and that he gives up on PS3 to focus on PS4...
This gen, PD never missed an opportunity to disappoint.
PS: All the major first party teams are still cooking something for PS3: Santa Monica (GOW ascension), Naughty Dogs (The last of us), Quantic Dream (Beyond two souls), Japan Studio (The very very very last guardian), ... asfor Guerilla games, noone knows if KZ4 will be on PS3 or PS4 (my guess is PS4 though...). i don't see why, from all these devs, sony would sacrifice their biggest franchise (by very far). And it would mean that the only devs that cannot deliver games in time are...the japanese ones (2 KZ, 3 uncharted+Last of us, 2 games from QD, 3 games from Sucker Punch) ! PD is the biggest money maker for Sony. Surely they will make the most of it.
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I know Kaz said he wouldn't make the same mistake as last time but nobody releases AAA games a few months after they're announced. Also for the most part AAA games are announced at one of the big videogame shows throughout the year, the next one isn't until E3 next year which is when the PS4 is sure to be revelead. So I just don't see how there is enough time for a 2013 PS3 game to be announced, it's too late.
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I don't think GT needs to wait for a big event to annonce something. When PD wants to announce GT6, they will do it just as they want. It's a big enough franchise to not rely on TGS or E3 imo.
They always have in the past though and even if they do announce it on their own it's getting too late for a 2013 release. All other big current gen 2013 releases are announced.
Also it's not about the game relying on a big event but rather Sony wanting to use their biggest first party title as part of their presentation.
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I get your point... but I don't see why you think it would be too late for a 2013 release. If they announce it at the start of 2013 for a release in march/april, that's still 3/4 months to build momentum.
Then they start talking about PS4 at E3...show some videos of GT for PS4, and that's it.
Even if you release GT6 on PS3 in the worst timing ever, with the worst communication ever (like GT5's), it's still 5 millions sales easy. Why wouldn't they do that? Why would you not?
Other option : they release it as a big DLC (like 40€ DLC) and get millions anyway.
My main point is: they want to make money don't they? Then PS3 is the way to go.
Then they start talking about PS4 at E3...show some videos of GT for PS4, and that's it.
Even if you release GT6 on PS3 in the worst timing ever, with the worst communication ever (like GT5's), it's still 5 millions sales easy. Why wouldn't they do that? Why would you not?
Other option : they release it as a big DLC (like 40€ DLC) and get millions anyway.
My main point is: they want to make money don't they? Then PS3 is the way to go.
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