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- BrandonW77
I'm in the ORCA_Champ lounge testing the Impreza TC, feel free to join.
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- carracerptp
Post in this thread when you open up the room.
I would like to join.
I would like to join.
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- torzilla
I opened up a room to break in my Impreza if anyones interested, this is a public room so riff raff can get in, youve been warned. But if u wanna have some fun come on down, the room is titles "beat my impreza tc" 1472 6399 8537 0917 7080..... am I the only one super psyched to get back to racing and running the subaru, or am i the only one with no life?
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- OwensRacing
Torzilla
I've got a lil extra on my plate this month. Oldest graduates Elementary. His birthday coming. Not to mention finishing outside projects and a super energetic dog that requires time to excerpt his energy.
I've been missing racing and ready to get settled back in.
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- TrackBound7
I am in a similar boat as Owens. Just been busy as heck. Use to be on GT5 every night. Since the weather turned I am lucky to get on 3x a week. Just having fun doing other stuff in life. I am looking forward to some more racing with ORCA though. Any thoughts on the start of this series? Maybe start in June?
- 12,018
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- BrandonW77
Owens and I are meeting up in the ORCA lounge for some Impreza practice. Feel free to join!
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On my way.
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- BrandonW77
We ran the Impreza TC around on Sports Medium tires last night and it seemed to be a pretty good fit. Helped minimize understeer because it allowed the back end to be a just a bit more lively. I haven't decided for sure what tire we will run on yet, but if you do any practicing give the SM's a try and let me know what you think.
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- BrandonW77
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- BrandonW77
Actually we were still seeing some very decent tire wear on the Medium's, especially on the fronts. After 7 or 8 laps they had lost about 1/3 of their tread, handling was starting to suffer a tad and braking points were starting to get further back. 👍
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- Ocho Rios
- Marcus__Garvey
I'll have to make a few laps in the car later. I've been off on a long weekend and haven't been on in a bit.
The car is stock, yes? ImprezA TC DLC car?
The car is stock, yes? ImprezA TC DLC car?
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- BrandonW77
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- Ocho Rios
- Marcus__Garvey
Very good; will take it round a bit and have a look see.
Is tyre selection still up in the air, or SM it is?
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- BrandonW77
Up in the air but strongly leaning towards SM.
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- Naptown25rs
BrandonW77
I think SS or SM would be great... Car wasn't very exciting on RH.
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- BrandonW77
Right, but in a way that can be a good thing. If the car is less exciting/more predictable than more drivers will be able to hang onto it during heated battles (ie, more grip/control=fewer incidents) and in theory we would have cleaner racing. But I know most people don't agree with that philosophy so I probably won't go that direction.
EDIT: I just realized the full meaning of your GTP screenname. 👍 I've figured out most of your PSN name, but the B still confuses me? (NCemtB = New Castle Emergency Medical Technician B?)
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BrandonW77
By "not exciting", I meant that it wasn't exciting running around by myself just putting laps on the car. I'm sure it will produce some great battles regardless of tire selection, but the ability to "loosen it up" a little makes anything more fun.
GTP Name: Naptown - obvious, 25rs - my car
PSN: You have that correct as well... B = Basic, although I'm not a B anymore, I'm a P (Paramedic). I've been meaning to make a new PSN to match my GTP name, just haven't done it yet.
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In my experience there's a trade off between tire grades. Softer, stickier tires promote cleaner, closer racing but do take some of the fun out of driving for some people. Harder, slicker tires tend to spread the field out and make closer racing a little more difficult, and gives the more experienced drivers, especially those with a wheel, a slight advantage. It's a tough choice
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- OwensRacing
Sounds like a good balance is the Sport Softs. Still lively enough to require skill but sticky enough to race hard.
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- BrandonW77
In my experience there's a trade off between tire grades. Softer, stickier tires promote cleaner, closer racing but do take some of the fun out of driving for some people. Harder, slicker tires tend to spread the field out and make closer racing a little more difficult, and gives the more experienced drivers, especially those with a wheel, a slight advantage. It's a tough choice
I think that's the first time I've ever seen somebody else realize this. It's obvious to me. The majority say they want close racing but then they put the car on crappy tires which makes it more exciting to drive but really widens the gap between skill levels. "We want close racing, but we're going to make the cars hard to drive which encourages accidents and really separates the field".
I don't really agree. When you make a compromise like that you end up with the worst of both worlds instead of the best, so the end result is that nobody is really happy. As I see it we have two choices: 1. Close racing with really good battles and few incidents = RH tires. 2. A spread out field where the difference in skill level is amplified and only the very fast guys will consistently do well = SM or SS tires. The first option has really exciting racing and a slightly less exciting car while the second option has an exciting car but likely unexciting/frustrating racing.
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- carracerptp
I would just like to pop in some thoughts.
First, the car you picked is very stable on any tires. In the short testing I did, I really couldn't get the car out of shape. This is the advantage of four-wheel drive. It's truly the great equalizer. Whenever I'm racing with a bunch of significantly faster people, whenever they switch over to a four-wheel drive car, the field instantly becomes closer. All of a sudden, I'm battling with the top three with five other cars, when normally I'd be sitting in the top six.
The field can't run away from each other. Four-wheel drive makes corner exits so consistent, as long as you can find brake points with any sort of accuracy, you'll be just fine.
The only downside to sticky tires on a four-wheel drive car is some people seem to think that four-wheel drive gives them a shorter braking distance, and it gives them way too much late-brake confidence. As long as we keep that out, I would vote for the most popular choice that people know how to use.
Racing hard tires or sport hard tires would probably result in very similar field spacing.
Why are we worried about field spacing again?
I think this only became a problem when we saw attendance go down. As long as we have enough drivers, there's always a race for somebody. I think the most important thing is picking a tire combo that will attract the most amount of fun racers, fixing the field spacing problem.
No matter what we do, there's always going to be a small group who's better than the rest of the field. The only thing I've seen that fixes this is mixing up the track list. Pick tracks that don't value line choices much. Tracks like GP/F are very line-choice dependent. Off line, you're not going to keep up. And it's not just a little time loss - it's many seconds. So if you pick tracks where everybody knows the racing line and it's not hard to keep the car on it, you will get closer racing, but you're not going to stop the aliens from wasting the field.
So, in short, four-wheel drive will make this a lot closer whatever you try. Fixing a spread out field is adding more drivers to fill the gaps, and tricky tracks only make the gap worse.
And on a completely unrelated note, the car handles a lot better with ABS off. Just a heads up.
First, the car you picked is very stable on any tires. In the short testing I did, I really couldn't get the car out of shape. This is the advantage of four-wheel drive. It's truly the great equalizer. Whenever I'm racing with a bunch of significantly faster people, whenever they switch over to a four-wheel drive car, the field instantly becomes closer. All of a sudden, I'm battling with the top three with five other cars, when normally I'd be sitting in the top six.
The field can't run away from each other. Four-wheel drive makes corner exits so consistent, as long as you can find brake points with any sort of accuracy, you'll be just fine.
The only downside to sticky tires on a four-wheel drive car is some people seem to think that four-wheel drive gives them a shorter braking distance, and it gives them way too much late-brake confidence. As long as we keep that out, I would vote for the most popular choice that people know how to use.
Racing hard tires or sport hard tires would probably result in very similar field spacing.
Why are we worried about field spacing again?
I think this only became a problem when we saw attendance go down. As long as we have enough drivers, there's always a race for somebody. I think the most important thing is picking a tire combo that will attract the most amount of fun racers, fixing the field spacing problem.
No matter what we do, there's always going to be a small group who's better than the rest of the field. The only thing I've seen that fixes this is mixing up the track list. Pick tracks that don't value line choices much. Tracks like GP/F are very line-choice dependent. Off line, you're not going to keep up. And it's not just a little time loss - it's many seconds. So if you pick tracks where everybody knows the racing line and it's not hard to keep the car on it, you will get closer racing, but you're not going to stop the aliens from wasting the field.
So, in short, four-wheel drive will make this a lot closer whatever you try. Fixing a spread out field is adding more drivers to fill the gaps, and tricky tracks only make the gap worse.
And on a completely unrelated note, the car handles a lot better with ABS off. Just a heads up.
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- BrandonW77
These are some of the reasons I went with an AWD car, I feel it allows everybody to have a little more "skill". As you said, it's easy to get good exit speed but this is only if you get your entry setup properly and the harder the tires are the harder it is to get a good entry.
I realize there's nothing we can do to make the back of the field even to the front of the field, but we can do things to minimize the gap between them and that's what I want. If we're going with longer races then there's a greater chance of people spending lap after lap by themselves as the field gets more and more spread out. I want to minimize this if at all possible (easier said than done). I don't necessarily expect 7th place to be close to the front of the pack, but I'd like 6th and 8th place to be close by so there is at least somebody to race with.
I agree with your comments about track selection too but I've run into other problems, this car doesn't have a whole lot of gearing and in "stock" form it's really only suitable to a handful of tracks. It's not as bad as some of the vintage cars but we couldn't run it at Indy/Daytona Road Course(s). Even though we have 60 or 70 tracks there are only about 10-12 that are worth racing on and in previous seasons we've run the 🤬 out of them and I'm bored with most of them. I'll continue to research the track selection, just not much to choose from anymore.
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- Ottawa
indeed, thank you for making my smile again, I have seen this in a few league, not to name any.💡
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- BrandonW77
I'll try to be on around 8 EDT.
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