Ordonez confirms Gran Turismo 6

[J-KiLLA24]

I don't understand the people who say they want GT6 on the PS4. What you're basically asking for is another 5 year wait just to get one game. As it's been said many times before, PD just created a new engine for GT5 on the PS3, and that is something that took quite a huge chunk of their development time. It would make little to no sense to have gone through all that work and then just completely scrap it and re-build a completely new one again for another system. Why not build off the same engine it took you so long to create and expand in a majority of areas and voila! You've got a fresh new GT game in about half the time on the same platform.

 

[CorvetteConquer]

[GameBlog Fr] after a well deserved holiday, do you leave immediately on GT6, or do you have other projects in his head?

[KY] I actually enjoy working. So I do not tend to want to take a Holiday. And of course there are still many things I can do for Gran Turismo. This will probably lead me to begin the development of GT6. Whatever happens I can assure you that waiting for GT6 will not be as long as that of Gran Turismo 5.

Kazunori also has stated in a different interview from TGS 2009 that "GT5 is a title that was pretty much remade from scratch, but because we did that, the next version is actually going to be faster -- the time period it's going to be released."

Great quotes, CorvetteConquer!

 

[Grand Prix]

We don't know if GT5 can be used a foundation for a PS4 game. Most of the cars and tracks in GT5 are from a PS2 game, and with tech improvements and supposed early-planning for the next game from PD, the next transition could be much smoother. We don't know anything.

And releasing another PS3 game could create another GT4-to-GT5 type of gap. If they do have to start from scratch, it'll be a long wait for a PS4 game in any scenario, which would be made even longer by concentrating effort into the outgoing system on the eve of the next generation.

Scenario: If you base GT6 on a GT5 foundation and make improvements to create an improved game but not a groundbreaking release, you might be left with a slightly disappointing game for years until GT7 comes out, which could be go knows when.

Which would be a good test for me.


If GT6 on PS3 is utter crap, I will know that PD has completely lost the plot and I can move on to the world of PC sims.

If GT6 is on PS4 and we have to wait 4-5 years, I will have already moved on to PC sims by then, anyway.

However, if they acknowledge the flaws of GT5 in a GT6 on PS3, and the game is awesome, they might keep me as a fan. Might.

 

[NLxAROSA]

All this speculation about GT6 on PS3 is nice, but it assumes PD would act logically and completely sane and do the obvious best thing. Looking at the past few years, I think the chance that that happens is nearly zero, you guys are really expecting them to do 180-degree turn? I expect at least a dozen new levels of weirdness added on any new version.

 

[Grand Prix]

All this speculation about GT6 on PS3 is nice, but it assumes PD would act logically and completely sane and do the obvious best thing. Looking at the past few years, I think the chance that that happens is nearly zero, you guys are really expecting them to do 180-degree turn? I expect at least a dozen new levels of weirdness added on any new version.

No, I'm not.


But it's fun to speculate.

And you're probably right on all kinds of new "weirdness" being added.

 

[DustDriver]

Who cares about GT6, I'm still waiting for Tourist Trophy 2.

 

[amar212]

1. Drag Racing support offline and online
2. Online Rally Racing (point to point, each car goes after waiting x seconds)
3. Detailed Event editor
4. Endurance races where you can drive with B-Spec drivers
5. New, proper A-spec events with qualifying and practice
6. More precise course editor with point to point racing & online integration
7. Real time B-spec online racing
8. 2012/2013 car models
9. Leaderboards for A-Spec races
10. Official matchmaking races online
11. Vastly improved paint system or livery editor
12. More and advanced tuning options
13. More information about the car like tire temps
14. Improved HUD with gap between the car ahead and behind you
15. Female Driver Avatars
16. Podium and Champagne celebration after race
17. 50-100 square miles off free roam road

Nice to see some of my concepts/ideas on your list Earth, maybe we will actually start to get along at some point 👍

I took a peak at Forzaplanet.net. Wow. Actual news and things to look forward to! Not just endless updates on GT Academy particpants....

Yeah? Really? And which ones should be that? Because all I got from my Forza 4 "looking forward to" is endless spam of new DLC cars (in a game that already had +500 cars to begin with) and one single functionality update after they were caught in blatant lie about wheel-support and linearity issues. Give me a break, please. And also sustain to throw "Horizon" in the picture, because it is not a same type of game. As a Forza fan I am utterly disappointed with level of support and updates we're (not) getting and I deeply refuse to accept the common prejudice how Forza is a great example of "how things should be done". It is factually incorrect and no spin can make it become a truth.

Why would PD release another GT on PS3? That makes absolutely no sense at all.

Increase of more than 50% in the PS3 console (platform) userbase compared to 2010 and incoming new cheaper console that will certainly elevate the install-base even more. Mo reasons here.

Whats really funny is that "keep up the DLC" supporters dont know or maybe dont care how awful GT5's DLC is in comparision to Forza 4. A typical Forza 4 DLC pack adds about 10 cars and a variety of new career mode races, like Porsche Carerra GT vs Ferrari Enzo. Endlessly better then a "seasonal" could ever dream to be.

Forza 4 is on the inferior Xbox 360, yet it has 16 cars made of 800k polygons on track. If PD needs to, scale the game back to 720p to grab more peformance, or make other cuts.

Earth, you're again using half-correct information. Why are you constantly doing that? Please explain.

"A typical Forza 4 DLC pack" adds only 10 cars and not a single thing more. None. Zero. Nada. No new features, no upgrades to game, no new functionality or options, nothing. Only 10 new cars per pack and corresponding online (expiring) events for few of them. "Variety of new career mode races" have been added only for the Porsche pack.

Also, "800.000 polygon cars on track" is factually incorrect too. Forza 4 uses multiple LOD (level-of-detail) models that drastically changes with number of cars on track. Difference in looks (presentation) of vehicles in-game changes drastically with more cars being added to track. There is stunning difference with actual LOD-count when you have 8 cars on track and 16 cars on track. Forza 4 can't be used as an example of above, no way in hell.

As I said before (and should have stated at the start), I think the status of GT6 depends strongly on the proximity of PS4. If the PS4 should be released in 2013 or 14, it is very much a possibility GT6 could be on PS4.

I agree partially. PD is probably doing parallel job in creating a PS3 updates, Vita experimenting and hard-coding on the PS4 development kits. However, only thing that makes sense in idea how GTX (tentative name for the next "big" instalment of franchise on the next-gen console) will happen on PS4 is that PS4 will be released in next 18-24 months and that GTX will be ready for launch. But again, if they decide not to release another full-breed game on PS3 they're opted to loose tremendous revenue.

Also, I deeply think how some new cross-play Vita/PS3 game could lead to filling the gap until PS4/GTX releases. It would boost the sales for Vita, allow PD to experiment with cross-play and new functionalities for GTX and continue their work on GTX. As I stated many times, the GT6 on PS3 could be a spectacular game if they only add more tracks (which this complete thread implies), add more depth to the SP structure and improve on great functionality-foundations of GT5. Pair that with Vita cross-play functionalities and you have a game that will keep the interest for another 24 months until GTX, introduce a this-gen GT franchise to plethora of new PS3 owners and make you some very, very decent money all along. I don't know, but I see it like that.

In conclusion, we don't know anything.

I agree

But it's fun to speculate.

Absolutely

 

[SagarisGTB]

Increase of more than 50% in the PS3 console (platform) userbase compared to 2010 and incoming new cheaper console that will certainly elevate the install-base even more. Mo reasons here.

Thanks for the link.

And I did exaggerate the "makes no sense" statement and have since revised the opinion in subsequent posts.

 

[jabofu]

As I mentioned in another thread, I think that GT6 will end up on the PS4. Officially we all have really no clue what will happen or what Sony has planned with GT. A good thing is that we all know that GT6 is in development.

But why should they release it for the PS3? The PS3 is doing more than fine for some years now. Struggled at the beginning, but going very strong now. They dont need the revenue from another PS3 GT-release. Well, it would be a nice extra for Sony, but I dont see the need for it. And why on the PS3. A console thats on the end of its lifecircle. It will be supported after the PS4 release like the PS2, but it will be the end of new AAA games. The system was barely able to output the performance to play GT5. With outdated graphics performance and less ram than a new mobile phone. It would only be a GT5.5.

Additionally, PD had always the freedom to get some more time to polish and to perfect a release. Okay, they went too far with GT5, but that was a different story. KY wasnt happy about the performance drops in weather and other problems with the graphics. The PS4 would give him more freedom and the power to release a really fantastic looking game.

When I think about the possibilities of a GT on the PS4, i dont want a PS3 release anymore.

They also have to stand against the competition. At the moment it the biggest competitor is Forza Motorsport. Many laughed at it in the beginning. Since FM 4 there is much more respect from the GT-fanbase, because it became that good or more because GT5 has not been the GT we are used to. Sony wont let MS have the racing crown without a fight. MS will have a next gen racing sim and Sony must compete.

So, if they really release GT6 on the PS3 next summer, how does the future look like. PS4 in 2013 jpn / Q1 2014 rest. GT7 4-5 years later, because of uber premium cars? It's totally unrealistic. They have to get in an acceptable release cycle again or they lose the game completely. The problem is that japanes developers are not so good in changing their thinking or how they do things.

One thing we can say for sure now. Wether it will be a PS3 or PS4 release, we will have many happy faces and equally many disapointed fans.

 

[ch3ng]

Argh Sry my fault

 

[ch3ng]

The frame-rate issues in GT5 are because the archaic PS3 simply can't push 16 cars grids of 500k polygon cars kicking up spray.

The cars only use the 500.000 model in photomode. It is not possible while racing.

A PS3 release would make sense. The only problem is that they need to release it 2013 or it'll be a PS4 game. The Next Gen is comming.

Forza 4 is on the inferior Xbox 360, yet it has 16 cars made of 800k polygons on track. If PD needs to, scale the game back to 720p to grab more peformance, or make other cuts.

Turn10 and PD need a complete new hardware to run 800.000 model or 450.000 model on track.

Drake in Uncharted use 30.000-80.000 in gameplay.

There's still ZERO word on next gen consoles and next November marks 3 years since GT5's release. Very reasonable.

Nope. Please check the internet then. Sony said they work on Next Gen games and One person from EA said that he thinks the console will arrive in 2013.

Or a rumour:
One person from Sony had a profil with information about Next Gen. He worked since 2010 or 2011 on the Next Gen.

We have a lot of statments or rumours to the New Generation

If they were to start work on a GT game for PS4, you do realize how much more work this would be, than building a GT6 on GT5's foundation, right?

Think about it. They would have to completely start from scratch on the physics. New online code. New track models. New AI. New everything pretty much. Cars? Debatable, but knowing PD they would never be happy with the models they have now anyway, even if they are currently downscaled.

I doubt that.

Also, "800.000 polygon cars on track" is factually incorrect too. Forza 4 uses multiple LOD (level-of-detail) models that drastically changes with number of cars on track. Difference in looks (presentation) of vehicles in-game changes drastically with more cars being added to track. There is stunning difference with actual LOD-count when you have 8 cars on track and 16 cars on track. Forza 4 can't be used as an example of above, no way in hell.

GT5 use LOD too. I think every game use this.

 

[G.T.Ace]

Which would be a good test for me.


If GT6 on PS3 is utter crap, I will know that PD has completely lost the plot and I can move on to the world of PC sims.

If GT6 is on PS4 and we have to wait 4-5 years, I will have already moved on to PC sims by then, anyway.

However, if they acknowledge the flaws of GT5 in a GT6 on PS3, and the game is awesome, they might keep me as a fan. Might.

Or, you do it like me, being a fan of GT who also plays PC sims.
There's no reason to decide between what you play, as long as you can play everything.


P.S.: One day in the future I want to meet you, amar, in real life, I love the way you think.

 

[analog]

Who cares about GT6, I'm still waiting for Tourist Trophy 2.

Me too, I can easily wait for GT6 as I can still play GT5 in the meantime, I can't play my TT copy anymore on my PS3 and there's no real alternative for my motorcycle fix (damn you PD, you made me an addict without further supplying the goods...).


I still expect GT6 to arrive on the PS3 by the way, not because they always released 2 titles for every console so far (as online updating and expansion might make that obsolete in the near future or even right now) or because Kaz said it would be released much sooner than GT5 (which is hopeful yet uncertain).

No, I think it just might be too risky a strategy to leave GT5 as the last GT-title for the current gen console considering it's disappointed so many.
If the next consoles are released, a lot of people are going to rethink which one to buy, and if a major exclusive title is remembered as a huge letdown it might persuade a lot to 'jump ship' (as it's popularly known).

This might not happen if GT6 is a well received PS4 launch title but I doubt that'll happen (it being a launch title I mean).
I'm one of those who more or less automatically went for each Playstation iteration because of GT being an exclusive and I'm still hopeful and trusting GT6 will deliver.
But again, GT being a console shifter means they can't risk trusting us to presume GT will automatically still be cutting edge compared to its competitors (Forza seems to be on a roll currently, deserved or not, and the yet to be released Project Cars is multiplatform).

 

[Samus]

For the people who are sure it's going to be on PS4 and actually WANT it to be on PS4 I have one simple question. Why don't you want another GT game on PS3? Because no matter what console GT6 is on there will obviously be a PS4 GT game afterwards. Is it the age old "GT5 maxes out the PS3" argument? Because I and others have countered that many times by describing all of the huge improvements PD could make with the PS3 that have nothing to do with console limitations.

PS4 isn't likely until 2014 and GT6 would unlikely to be a launch title so what are you going to do until then, just play a tired GT5? Why not have another PS3 game in the meantime? People keep saying it's pointless because they can just keep adding to GT5 with DLC and updates but where is the evidence of this? What huge, game changing updates that would negate a new game have they made so far? Where are the updates to A-Spec, where is the overhaul of online mode, where are the leaderboards? They don't seem to be coming do they, so what makes you think PD are suddenly going to start making huge updates to GT5 that can keep us interested more than a fresh, new game could?

 

[thelvynau]

For the people who are sure it's going to be on PS4 and actually WANT it to be on PS4 I have one simple question. Why don't you want another GT game on PS3? Because no matter what console GT6 is on there will obviously be a PS4 GT game afterwards. Is it the age old "GT5 maxes out the PS3" argument? Because I and others have countered that many times by describing all of the huge improvements PD could make with the PS3 that have nothing to do with console limitations.

PS4 isn't likely until 2014 and GT6 would unlikely to be a launch title so what are you going to do until then, just play a tired GT5? Why not have another PS3 game in the meantime? People keep saying it's pointless because they can just keep adding to GT5 with DLC and updates but where is the evidence of this? What huge, game changing updates that would negate a new game have they made so far? Where are the updates to A-Spec, where is the overhaul of online mode, where are the leaderboards? They don't seem to be coming do they, so what makes you think PD are suddenly going to start making huge updates to GT5 that can keep us interested more than a fresh, new game could?

This

 

[Zuku]

For the people who are sure it's going to be on PS4 and actually WANT it to be on PS4 I have one simple question. Why don't you want another GT game on PS3? Because no matter what console GT6 is on there will obviously be a PS4 GT game afterwards. Is it the age old "GT5 maxes out the PS3" argument? Because I and others have countered that many times by describing all of the huge improvements PD could make with the PS3 that have nothing to do with console limitations.

PS4 isn't likely until 2014 and GT6 would unlikely to be a launch title so what are you going to do until then, just play a tired GT5? Why not have another PS3 game in the meantime? People keep saying it's pointless because they can just keep adding to GT5 with DLC and updates but where is the evidence of this? What huge, game changing updates that would negate a new game have they made so far? Where are the updates to A-Spec, where is the overhaul of online mode, where are the leaderboards? They don't seem to be coming do they, so what makes you think PD are suddenly going to start making huge updates to GT5 that can keep us interested more than a fresh, new game could?

Agree plus by the time the year rolls around and GT6 comes out what will the economic landscape look like? I'm still not set to blow $399-$799(price point might be between this) on a new system, and plus not only that GT5 didn't even use a DL Blu-ray Disc did it?

 

[snowgt]

I think there's one obstacle to releasing GT6 on PS3 that hasn't been mentioned, and that's the question of compatibility of online racing.

So far PD was able to keep all players on the same codebase by having mandatory updates. If they release GT6, it won't be the same codebase anymore, so, in all likelihood, it will not be compatible to GT5. This basically will cut the amount of online players in half for each version of the game, which is not what you would want. Another GT5-update would keep everyone on the same code, but Sony wouldn't earn any money with it, so why do it?

Of course, the same is true for GT6 on a future PS4, but at least they wouldn't have to go through cutting the online-community in half twice. (or having to maintain server-infrastructure for 2 PS3 games and 1 PS4 game)

If they think though, that GT6 on PS3 will be so much of an improvement that everyone will jump at buying the new version, they might go ahead anyway. But I doubt that on PS3 that big an improvement is possible.

 

[Samus]

I don't see how that's an issue, it's the same with any online enabled game that gets a sequel.

 

[snowgt]

And one more unrelated to my previous post:

I firmly believe that the decision for which platform GT6 will be coming out, has already been made. They will not have development on 2 full-blown GT releases at the same time. Either they are working in all seriousness on a PS3 version and some developers are playing around on what the PS4 will be able to do, or they are seriously working on the PS4-version with minimal resources on PS3 bug-fixing/feature-enhancement.

 

[jabofu]

For the people who are sure it's going to be on PS4 and actually WANT it to be on PS4 I have one simple question. Why don't you want another GT game on PS3? Because no matter what console GT6 is on there will obviously be a PS4 GT game afterwards. Is it the age old "GT5 maxes out the PS3" argument? Because I and others have countered that many times by describing all of the huge improvements PD could make with the PS3 that have nothing to do with console limitations.

PS4 isn't likely until 2014 and GT6 would unlikely to be a launch title so what are you going to do until then, just play a tired GT5? Why not have another PS3 game in the meantime? People keep saying it's pointless because they can just keep adding to GT5 with DLC and updates but where is the evidence of this? What huge, game changing updates that would negate a new game have they made so far? Where are the updates to A-Spec, where is the overhaul of online mode, where are the leaderboards? They don't seem to be coming do they, so what makes you think PD are suddenly going to start making huge updates to GT5 that can keep us interested more than a fresh, new game could?

KY said that the launch of GT5 was just the beginning of it and that they would continiously work on it. They did and improved the game further and further. I think GT5 is still great looking and has many possibilities to add content. Maybe not everything that will come for GT6 would be possible in GT5, but content can always be added. Something like an injection of 10 new tracks and 50-100 new Premium cars (actually new ones) would keep GT5 alive. Things like free roam could come with GT6 later. Between GT4 and GT5 are 5 years and I think some people still play it. So, why rush to a new release, when there are so many things that could be added to GT5.

Yes, I want it on the PS4, because I still like GT5 and it can certainly be the only GT for this console generation.

 

[Samus]

So why haven't they? They've had 18 months and have given us no major updates to the core game so far, what makes you think they will now?

Why do you want GT5 to be the only PS3 game?

 

[jabofu]

So why haven't they? They've had 18 months and have given us no major updates to the core game so far, what makes you think they will now?

Why do you want GT5 to be the only PS3 game?

I guess they hold the content back for GT6. Those long discussions about the GT series get this bad, because of the silence of PD.

I dont want it to be the only one, but I rather want GT6 on the PS4. The possiblity is there for a PS3 release. I dont really see it, but it can happen.

And PD actually made major improvements over the time in GT5. Just compare the latest version of it with the 1.0 release.

I hope that they dont bring the missing tracks from GT4 back to GT6 and present them as new. It was already pretty bad to charge money for Motegi, that was included in GT4. Even MS wouldnt do such a thing and they steel your money wherever they can.

Another problem is that GT5 has not really satisfied half the expectations many had. As a long GT fan it was somehow underwhelming to see how it was released. Driving is great, but when you are through A-spec and special events, whats left? So, we cant be sure that PD learned from it or if they fail again in some areas. The trust is really broken, even the die hard fan knows it.

 

[Samus]

So what makes you think a GT6 on PS4 would be any different from a GT6 on PS3 in that regard? Yes we know the graphical and performance boosts they can gain from new hardware but the structure and length of A-Spec/special events is nothing to do with the extra power, neither is the overall UI.

 

[amar212]

They've had 18 months and have given us no major updates to the core game so far...

Sorry Simon, but that is pure nonsense.

In past 18 months we've got 2 major revision of the handling model, introduction of Seasonal Events for both A/B-Spec mode in either Races/Special Races/Time Trial and Drift Trial events, introduction of Remote Races for B-Spec, numerous functionality and option enhancements (especially in field of online racing options), new cars/tracks/gear/locations content, introduction of Online Collector Dealership, constantly improving appearance for standard models, etc.

You will never witness "major updates" to A/B-Spec races or Special Events races - if you somehow consider only those as "core game" (either they represent only one part of actual game, you can't really exclude Online capabilities and act like they do not exist). Why? Because they're tied to Trophies-system and you would compromise the logic and complete engine behind Trophies. And there are people that actually care about those as I heard (not myself, but unfortunately I know many that do).

If more A/B-Spec events would be added you'd mess the complete scheme-grid of the Trophy system and majority of Trophies are interconnected to completion of either percentage or some special part of the single-player part of the GT Life. And that is unfortunately not possible to do.

They expanded A/B Spec modes through Seasonal Events and they basically updated the complete "core game" with that. In fact, they've already expanded complete Seasonal Events twice, because after one of the updates all *original* seasonal events were replaced with new "A/B Spec Challenges" after which the new batch of FR/FF/4WD/F1/Real Courses/Dream Cars, etc. challenges started to appear.

As far as UI is concerned, it falls under the subjective category. I really love the GT5 UI, I find it logical, easy to navigate and very intuitive. Loading times are the only real issue, but I can understand it because when you jump from GTLife menu to GT Auto game have to load completely new *mode*, with animated LOD of the car, animated mechanics, separate navigation, etc. When you return, same have to happen.

Also, when you're loading garage with 1000 vehicles or 2500 paints, RAM has to load 1000 thumbnails or 2500 paints, come on, be realistic, there is some data to be processed, it is not a 8GB RAM PC, it is 256MB hardware from 2005. Cut those hard-working guys from PD some slack for effort to present us with different concepts than just "click through simple still menu where nothing happens - done" and stop acting like you don't understand how it takes some resources to achieve something.

 

[Samus]

I know they have obviously made a lot of changes and fixed a lot of things but by major updates I am talking about things that would ordinarily warrant a new game, complete game changers. Many people are arguing that we don't need GT6 on PS3 because GT5 can be updated with patches/DLC to give us everything we want. But to me they clearly are never going to give us updates of substantial size, for reasons you mentioned and others.

There are just some major features that can't ever be added through updates and wouldn't be beneficial to add as paid DLC. A completely new game is what's needed.

 

[amar212]

... to give us everything we want. ..

Look, you really have to understand this:

It is not "what we want", it is obviously "what you want".

You and I do not want same things. Me and Earth do not want same things. Also, you and Earth do not want same things (sorry Earth, I used you as example in good will, hope you will not mind 👍).

Do you understand that? Go to Feedback section and you will see how 3118 users wants BMW E30, 3244 wants Aryton Senna's McLaren F1, 1983 wants Koenigsegg CCX and 1731 wants Ferrari FXX. They all want some particular vehicle, but every of those 4 vehicles (most voted of all) are absolutely different vehicles. They do not want the same vehicles, although we *could* agree how only things that makes their wish similar is how they want *some* new vehicles.

Same goes for what you call a *Core Game*. I personally couldn't care less for either A/B-Spec career mode in any future GT game. I could live happily ever after if I would get *career mode* similar to one introduced with GT PSP game (AKA Event Generator): pick a car from garage, choose opponents, choose track, choose race details, race. Simple. And than to use Cr from such races to buy cars which I will use online. Same for B-Spec.

But that is my wish.

We have different wishes. We want different things.

At this point, all I want from GT5 are new tracks. Dozens of new track if possible. I have everything else I want to enjoy GT5 for next 3 years if I would got 10-15 new tracks (with variations, of course) to race them with my buddies online.

You see? We want different things. Beauty lies in variety.

 

[Samus]

No, when I said 'we' I meant everyone, not just me. Like you said people want different things but most of them aren't going to be added as extra content in GT5. Cars and track yes but we already know they can be added as DLC so I wasn't talking about that, I was talking about the things people have asked for but haven't been added as DLC or an update and don't appear likely to after 18 months. I mean do you really see them completely overhauling the online mode or adding leaderboards now? I don't. How about a free roam mode or a vinyl editor? They're the sort of major updates people are asking for in large numbers and according to some people that can all be added to GT5, we don't need a PS3 GT6 for that. That's my argument, we DO need a GT6 PS3 for people to get a lot of the major things they want.

Also I respect that you don't care for A-Spec but surely you must acknowledge that it's one of the major, core parts of a Gran Turismo game? It's been there since the very first one and GT PSP is the first game not to feature one, to much disappointment from many I might add. Like I said you don't feel the need for one and that's fine but clearly it's still a core part of the game.

 

[G.T.Ace]

I don't. How about a free roam mode or a vinyl editor?

Free roam was mentioned by Yamauchi as a gameplay idea for a future title and no one cared for something like that until then. A livery editor is clearly too much to ask for as an update. They added a lot people asked for, like being able to change the weather settings offline, the online garage, removable HUD, physics improvements, cockpit for Standard Cars etc.
You cannot change the game too much with just patches and I think they did an awesome job with improving the game.

 

[MattZR1]

When it says a new version of GT5 is getting released in September, I imagine they are talking about the recently announced Academy Edition for Europe?

 

[sems4arsenal]

How about a GT6 ON the ps3 and GT7 on the PS4 shortly after (ala GT2 and GT3) we get GT7 prologue on release of the PS4 and we won't be playing the waiting game becasue we will have a great GT6 to fool around with