Ovals VS Road Courses

[Dave A]

15 - 16 tracks is way to many, there are only 60 tracks in GT5 and if 25% are going to be oval then that just a waste when there could be some really good circuits added.

I don't understand the last two paragraphs, your saying people who like Nascar are going to be clean drivers while people who don't like it are going to be dirty drivers?

There's 20 odd tracks in GT5, with a lot more variations. That is according to a Sony rep who was speaking to a member on here who went to CES and posted his finding. It's exactley how Kaz should be interpreted too.

Honestly, people need to stop this 60 or 70 odd actual tracks rumour, you're just going to get a lot of people other than yourselves dissapointed as well because they'll read what your saying and be expecting that. Over 20 tracks is fine and it's better than most other current gen racing games.

 

[Christian_C]

I'm sorry but ovals are extremely boring. Honestly, there's no need for sleeping pills.. if you're having trouble sleeping take a few laps around an oval course and you'll be nodding off in no time.

on top of that there's really no challenge.

As per usual, people like you, really have no idea.

 

[Joey D]

Just a note to all the NASCAR/oval defenders, I understand your annoyance, NASCAR/oval racing is not given the respect it deserves. It is as much a sport and a challenge as F1, and a lot of people are blissfully ignorant of this. However, not everyone who doesn't like NASCAR/ovals is a blind hater. I just don't happen to enjoy watching NASCAR/ovals as much as circuit racing, and I certainly have never enjoyed racing ovals in a game as much as circuits (GT and Forza included).

+ invisi rep and QFT'ed! I couldn't have said it any better myself and I think Exorcet actually put it better then I would have.

 

[McLaren]

Can you call them separate tracks though? just ovals with different banners on the side and nothing interesting about any of them.

You obviously have never been on more than 1 oval. Running the oval at Texas Motor Speedway is very different to running the oval at Daytona.

 

[toyota_gt1]

You obviously have never been on more than 1 oval. Running the oval at Texas Motor Speedway is very different to running the oval at Daytona.

I've been looking at all of these posts and thinking about it. Don't waste time trying to explain it to them. Simply ignore them because there never going to get it.

 

[Joey D]

In a game though most ovals are virtually the same and don't really offer anything different. I've played the Nascar games and they all essentially make you do the same thing save for a couple road courses. In real life though I'm guessing that's an entirely different story.

 

[djanikowski]

In a game though most ovals are virtually the same and don't really offer anything different. I've played the Nascar games and they all essentially make you do the same thing save for a couple road courses. In real life though I'm guessing that's an entirely different story.

As long as the game has good enough physics (NASCAR Racing 2003 Season by Papyrus), all of the ovals require different driving styles.

 

[Jujubean]

How about the good ole' Super Speedway? You have the sharper end, and you have the wider end?

Who could complain about that?

 

[Earth]

None of the above

I want the best tracks in the world, period.

 

[RACECAR]

Great, another damn Oval vs Road Course argument:tdown: Looks like I'm going to be looking through a bunch of pages with someone making an unfounded claim on how this particular racing has no skill all the damn while, they no experiance racing in either category. How about we close this damn thread and shut the hell up about it. I swear sometimes I feel like I'm the only one that equally acknowledges both


BTW, I'm considering voting "I'll let PD Decide" since I know they are a hell of alot more accepting them some of you.

 

[FrancisBenjamin]

It's actually amusing that you still (stubbornly?) fail to understand why people reacted and posted like they did, including the comment about your intelligence. It had nothing to do with your preference of motor sport, and everything to do with the way you worded it. If you cannot see that, then maybe the comment about your lack of intelligence was right?

You are absolutely allowed to have an opinion, forums would be boring without them. Some people are just better at expressing their opinions than others...

straight from the horse's mouth huh???

anyways... i'v stated my opinion... moving on.

 

[Spagetti69]

This oval argument is just going round in circles.

 

[TouringDevotee]

This oval argument is just going round in circles.

Just as long as no one is using circular reasoning.

 

[Oshow]

Ovals are great for insomnia!! Puts me to sleep.

 

[shadynader]

This oval argument is just going round in circles.

Hah, good one 👍

Heres some pics of oval tracks on the NASCAR schedule for people who dont think there is much difference between them.

 

[HN7]

This thread remind me of how me and my friends argue about football vs baseball

 

[Earth]

As someone who has had the opportunity to drive every NASCAR oval in the the most realistic NASCAR game ever made, NASCAR 2003 for the PC (iRacing uses an improved NASCAR 2003 physics engine), and who follows the real sport on television, I can tell you no two ovals are anything alike.

Simply looking at track maps will not do, you have to drive them to see the differences in banking, width, enter and exit angles, surface grip, bumps, size everything.

The proof that no two ovals are alike is driver performance depending on the oval. If all ovals were the same then whoever had the best car or whoever is the best at driving ovals would dominate every single race. But thats not the case in NASCAR. Certain drivers dominate the short tracks, others dominate the superspeedways, overs do better at the speedways. This alone proves that all ovals are nothing alike.

As I said earlier, I want the best tracks, not matter oval or roadcourse. The best ovals I can think of off the top of my head that belong in GT5 are Daytona, Indianapolis, Bristol, Michigan, Darlington, and Lowes

Of course there are far more roadcourses in the world in ovals so there will be far more GT worthy road courses then ovals.

Its sad though that alot of people would rather have any scrub road course in GT over legendary ovals like Indy and Daytona. Not every roadcourse is great fellas. Just because your turn left and right doesn't make it more worthy then any oval. Case in point that lousy track F1 raced on for its season finale. Everyone is going crazy over it just because it has alot of layouts and they want it in GT5 even though it has no history and is nothing special. But hey, you turn left and right and it has alot of layouts. Big deal

 

[d3br34k5]

Well said and I agree 100%.

I'm pretty confident that once we receive the game, we'll find out that Kaz feels the same way.

And no, in my previous post in this thread I was not implying that people who prefer road courses would be rubbish on every course. I was trying to suggest that top drivers will excel in NASCAR events and the discipline from that series will transfer into cleaner road racing for all who plan on league racing.

You know, leagues where if you're a jerk who can't drive properly, you're sanctioned down.

I unfortunately must look forward to sanctions as I'm a rubbish driver.

 

[shadynader]

Two ovals out of 20 tracks is enough for me, and what i suspect, the vast majority. To me driving round and round is just not as fun as taking hairpins, chicanes, esses and blind corners, no matter how much history or how special the speedway is. I understand there is more to it than just that but it just doesnt keep me as interested. BTW i own and have played alot of NASCAR 2003. I like to play it after watching the Sprint Cup (roll on Feb)

If there is indeed a track editor in the game, feel free to make as many ovals as you like. I would be happy to race them all, but as far as 18 other locations we are getting, i would like them all to be circuits.

 

[garybee]

There would have to be a lot more tracks than 20 to justify more than 3 or 4 being ovals IMO. It takes so little time to learn an oval, relative to a road circuit, that the longevity of the game would be seriously affected otherwise. Yes there are slight variations in layouts of ovals and differences in banking and surfaces. This just doesn't compare to the differences between road courses though.

I'd like to see Rockingham included however, as this is very different so the American style ovals. It also has a road circuit incorporated so wouldn't have to be a 'wasted' circuit.

 

[Mubble]

25% Oval 75% Race Circuits.

Lets say there are 80 variations of tracks, you're wishing for 20 to be ovals?

Are you an idiot?

 

[KayEnnOhBee]

w/e, just have 3 ovals to keep the noobs happy that think ovals are different (when clearly theyre not).

Only thing that can change in an oval is how tight the 2 corners are, how much of an angle theyre on and the surface. Woop de ****ing doo.

Load that game up with tracks
Spa > any oval course that ever existed
Go on, I emplore you to try and justify how a circuit like spa is less exciting than an oval. do it.

 

[eSZee]

Lets say there are 80 variations of tracks, you're wishing for 20 to be ovals?

Are you an idiot?

dude, relax.

w/e, just have 3 ovals to keep the noobs happy that think ovals are different (when clearly theyre not).

Only thing that can change in an oval is how tight the 2 corners are, how much of an angle theyre on and the surface. Woop de ****ing doo.

noobs? LOL

 

[RACECAR]

There would have to be a lot more tracks than 20 to justify more than 3 or 4 being ovals IMO. It takes so little time to learn an oval, relative to a road circuit, that the longevity of the game would be seriously affected otherwise. Yes there are slight variations in layouts of ovals and differences in banking and surfaces. This just doesn't compare to the differences between road courses though.

I'd like to see Rockingham included however, as this is very different so the American style ovals. It also has a road circuit incorporated so wouldn't have to be a 'wasted' circuit.

You do relize the majority of Ovals in the US also have infield Road Courses incorperated, right?

 

[garybee]

dude, relax.


noobs? LOL

The speed that people are resorting to insulting each other in this thread is ridiculous.

It seems to be pretty representative of this forum though. Something you don't agree with has been posted?...time to offend the poster!

 

[eSZee]

that's pretty much how every forum is, unfortunately.

 

[garybee]

You do relize the majority of Ovals in the US also have infield Road Courses incorperated, right?

Yes I do. That wasn't the difference that I was referring to, although that wasn't clear from my post i'll admit. I pointed out the infield course purely to illustrate that including an oval doesn't mean excluding a road course...as one is only a variation of the other as far as the game is concerned. Makes more sense?

 

[garybee]

that's pretty much how every forum is, unfortunately.

I haven't found that to be the case actually. This is the only computer game forum I use though, so maybe that has a lot to do with it.

 

[KayEnnOhBee]

wow look at all those different circles with hugely varying layouts! I kid you not this **** varies by like 4 degrees of enbankment! holy ****!

... etc

 

[JacoJa]

IMO, The only oval track which properly belongs in Gran Turismo is the Test Track.

I do hope Daytona and that Brickyard track are the only two Nascar tracks which will make an appearance. For the other Nascar tracks, High Speed Ring and Red Rock Valley would work fine. Shame HSR isn’t more like the original banked version from GT1 and 2.