PD vs Hackers "Notice of Account Ban Measures"

[Mirado_7]

There is and they are. Torque steer can be removed but I did not put that in the tool.

Maybe I don't understand the term torque steer, so correct me if I'm wrong.

I've put about 250k miles into various 3000gt's over that last ten years, and these cars have a massive pull to the right when you hammer it. This does not exist in the game on any of the 3000gt models.

 

[MSTER232]

The ban system they put in place is almost fair. Ban those that get reported. It lets the hybriders play the way they like and lets the anti-hybrid/hacks do as they like. I'm almost happy with it.
Unfortunately there are many anti-hybrid/hack players that take the extremist approach and don't think anyone should be allowed to do what they feel is wrong. My lobbies were always marked as 'hacked' yet these evangelists still join and complain/report.

Fixed 👍 .

 

[killerjimbag]

Have you ever tried to turn a car slammed almost to the ground with a wider chassis and near 10 (if not more) camber going over 100mph? If you think that's easy then try driving my MX-5 (2 ride height, 13 camber in the front, 10 in the back) or my VW 1200 (1 ride height, 8 camber in the front, 12 in the back). Then you tell me the difference.

Exactly, so what is the point! It looks cool, really? But I can't drive it or turn. Maybe PD knew something you didn't?

 

[TRC GeorgiaDawg]

Imposing one's beliefs to restrict another person's freedoms has always been a bad thing. Especially so when it has no personal effect on you and you think you are doing a good thing.
When? 3rd century CE.
As it applies here? Going into a lobby clearly marked as a hacked lobby with the sole purpose of reporting those players in that lobby.

Hope that answers your question as it was off topic.

Umm, the hacking does have effects on others. The fact that you don't care makes my comparison alot closer to reality than yours. I mean, would you rather have a muslim-like approach? How about a Hindu-like approach. Or maybe a scientologist-like approach? Here's a idea...leave your religious bias out of the debate. 👍

The lengths people go to defending and rationalizing this stuff is always a laugh. Keep reading "well it should be in the game" as another excuse. Lots of people have lots of things they want in the game but that does not justify them altering the game code to get what they want. Personally, what I want are leaderboards for GT racecars on race tires on real world tracks. Clearly this is something that should be in the game. So does that give me the right to go hack the seasonal event and GT Academy LB's so they will reflect what I want? Nope. Same for all who think that just because they think something should be in the game gives them the right to hack the game.

 

[p3bucky]

Exactly, so what is the point! It looks cool, really? But I can't drive it or turn. Maybe PD knew something you didn't?

You're right. I'm an idiot for wanting to drive what I find beautiful. You sir, have convinced me to drop everything I look for in a car for the sake of handling. I think the whole stance culture could learn from you man.

Good day to you sir 👍

 

[FarSideX]

Fixed 👍 .

Don't edit my posts when quoting them. You are misrepresenting me when doing so. I did not mean extremist I meant what I originally posted and nothing else. Please remove or fix the quote.

 

[Brend]

Sony/PD are putting a band aid on a gaping wound. You want the problem solved, ban the console.

I'm sure [random family member] will be very happy to see they can't use the Netflix subscription they have bought for use on their PS3 because of another person's wrong doing. 👍

10/10 solution right there.

 

[LVracerGT]

How many Stance video games are out on the market? Go buy one.

Kaz himself said his vision for GT online was a place for people to get together and show off their cars, I never stanced any of my hybrids in GT5, but there's a big part of the community that does.

 

[Terronium-12]

Umm, the hacking does have effects on others. The fact that you don't care makes my comparison alot closer to reality than yours. I mean, would you rather have a muslim-like approach? How about a Hindu-like approach. Or maybe a scientologist-like approach? Here's a idea...leave your religious bias out of the debate. 👍

The lengths people go to defending and rationalizing this stuff is always a laugh. Keep reading "well it should be in the game" as another excuse. Lots of people have lots of things they want in the game but that does not justify them altering the game code to get what they want. Personally, what I want are leaderboards for GT racecars on race tires on real world tracks. Clearly this is something that should be in the game. So does that give me the right to go hack the seasonal event and GT Academy LB's so they will reflect what I want? Nope. Same for all who think that just because they think something should be in the game gives them the right to hack the game.

Quite frankly, you're the last person to criticize anyone for defending hybrids after having dropped this nugget not too long ago.

You should be banned and I'll remain on my soap box about this subject till the end of time or when nerds with too much computer knowledge for their own good quit RUINING games with their cheats.

Oh, and allow me to be clear and state ahead of time that that wasn't a personal attack, because I know you've got an itch to report such a thing.

As far as everything else goes, this thread is quickly stepping over the line and is about to be closed. Curb the discussion involving the merits of hybrids (as there are at least several other threads for that by my count) and keep this one on task, or it very well will be closed.

 

[TokoTurismo]

Honestly, this is one good thing PD is doing. Keep it up. You should never hack/mod the game, it isn't right. Time to throw in the ban hammer.

 

[Lewis_Hamilton_]

I fully understand the view against hybrids, but find it odd to look down on people for their taste (stanced cars) and calling it pointless. In essence, that's like calling car shows pointless too.

As has been mentioned, a console ban is not going to eliminate hybrid cars either, that can be worked around, as I'm sure an IP address ban could be too. It's a difficult situation for PD, I've said before that I don't think it's possible to get rid of them for as long as jailbroken PS3's are around.

 

[TRC GeorgiaDawg]

Quite frankly, you're the last person to criticize anyone for defending hybrids after having dropped this nugget not too long ago.



Oh, and allow me to be clear and state ahead of time that that wasn't a personal attack, because I know you've got an itch to report such a thing.

As far as everything else goes, this thread is quickly stepping over the line and is about to be closed. Curb the discussion involving the merits of hybrids (as there are at least several other threads for that by my count) and keep this one on task, or it very well will be closed.

Really? How does that prove anything about how I'm the last person to criticize anyone? I'm not going to sit here and go back and forth with you and whatever your bias is against me. But, needless to say, I stand behind both my statements fully as they compliment each other. The people who hack do ruin the game for others and they should be banned.

Comparing calling a hacker a nerd to someone using religious bias to put down others opinions......I have seen it all now.

 

[Swagger897]

Some cars (in GT5 at least) are much needed for hybriding as I liked some very much. I remember my C6 LMR and my friend swapped it for a 427 and is MUUUUUUUUCCHHH better, and definitely sounded 10x better too.

 

[t3kc0h]

Honestly, this is one good thing PD is doing. Keep it up. You should never hack/mod the game, it isn't right. Time to throw in the ban hammer.

I just grew back a tiny bit of faith in PD. Good job buds. 👍

What about the people who do realistic hacks and just have a good time and don't use them to cheat? What about the people who only do it for a little uniqueness to their cars? And what about the people who want their car's engine to a more realistic hp?

The idiots with 10,000+hp (even 3,000+hp).

The only thing is, you can achieve thousands of hp IRL. Take the 6 second supra, or ANY Top Fuel dragster. The 6 second supra is running upwards of 3000hp WITH THE STOCK BLOCK. Top Fuel dragsters are running 10,000 horsepower out of 700CI V8s. I know there isn't a 700CI in GT6, but with a TON of things done to say, a 460. Or a 442. It'll get close to 4000hp. Majority of modded supras have more than 1000bhp. Even on the streets. So to say thousands of hp on the streets is crazy.... it is, but it's also not too unrealistic.

But on the other hand, sometimes you get those people who can't control thousands of hp. And that leads to mayhem.

 

[FarSideX]

Umm, the hacking does have effects on others. The fact that you don't care makes my comparison alot closer to reality than yours. I mean, would you rather have a muslim-like approach? How about a Hindu-like approach. Or maybe a scientologist-like approach? Here's a idea...leave your religious bias out of the debate. 👍

The lengths people go to defending and rationalizing this stuff is always a laugh. Keep reading "well it should be in the game" as another excuse. Lots of people have lots of things they want in the game but that does not justify them altering the game code to get what they want. Personally, what I want are leaderboards for GT racecars on race tires on real world tracks. Clearly this is something that should be in the game. So does that give me the right to go hack the seasonal event and GT Academy LB's so they will reflect what I want? Nope. Same for all who think that just because they think something should be in the game gives them the right to hack the game.

Why are you bringing religion into this discussion? I really don't care what your beliefs are as long as you keep them to yourself. But you don't.

You seem to have been blinded to the point of my post. If I am in a lobby that I created and have a room comment stating it is a hacked car lobby how does that in any way affect you?

Why would you enter that lobby for the sole purpose of reporting the players in that lobby? Crusading against hackers that don't follow your idea of game playing but are keeping to themselves is similar to the 'likeness' I gave as example.

The similarity I used was an accurate one as the others you have recommended are not.

You appear to belong to both groups but yet offended by your own choices.

You also inaccurately state that 'the hacking does have effects on others' when you should be stating 'hacking can have affects on others'.

 

[TokoTurismo]

What about the people who do realistic hacks and just have a good time and don't use them to cheat? What about the people who only do it for a little uniqueness to their cars? And what about the people who want their car's engine to a more realistic hp?

Well, then that's just too bad I'm afraid. There's nothing we can do about it. Because for one, you shouldn't be hacking/hybriding/modding at all in games in the first place, even in GT games, whether it is realistic or not. So PD has to ban those who do such a thing. Sorry but that's the way it is.

 

[p3bucky]

The only thing is, you can achieve thousands of hp IRL. Take the 6 second supra, or ANY Top Fuel dragster. The 6 second supra is running upwards of 3000hp WITH THE STOCK BLOCK. Top Fuel dragsters are running 10,000 horsepower out of 700CI V8s. I know there isn't a 700CI in GT6, but with a TON of things done to say, a 460. Or a 442. It'll get close to 4000hp. Majority of modded supras have more than 1000bhp. Even on the streets. So to say thousands of hp on the streets is crazy.... it is, but it's also not too unrealistic.

But on the other hand, sometimes you get those people who can't control thousands of hp. And that leads to mayhem.

I know If it's a replica, I understand (I had a few, like the 2,200hp S7). It's the people who put 2,000+hp on everything that I find kind of ridiculous. When I say I wouldn't be upset or I'm for those kinda of cars being banned I'm *trying* to think from the perspective of the people who actually race and drag. I'd be pretty P.O. if I was drag racing and someone brought out a 2k hp, 4WD MX-5 or something.

 

[BrandonW77]

Because, last time I checked, this was a racing game, not a stance-drives-like-crap-and-looks-broken game. Nothing against you or the movement, to each their own, but stuff like this has no place in a racing game. However, I totally feel like they should add this feature to the Photo Mode.

Hmmmm......last time I checked the box it said "real driving simulator", not "real racing simulator". But neither of those are correct anyway, it's actually the "real rabbit chasing simulator" and I have yet to find any actual racing in the career mode. If you want that you have to go online and DIY.

 

[Terronium-12]

Honestly, this is one good thing PD is doing. Keep it up. You should never hack/mod the game, it isn't right. Time to throw in the ban hammer.

I just grew back a tiny bit of faith in PD. Good job buds. 👍

I think you, and many others, seem to be forgetting that this isn't new in any way, shape, or form.

Remember Gameshark? The only shortcomings in this day and again is it can affect online players and that's what we don't encourage nor tolerate. There's also the problem with credits being tied to transactions now, which, come to think of it, may have been a countermeasure from the beginning.

I fully understand the view against hybrids, but find it odd to look down on people for their taste (stanced cars) and calling it pointless. In essence, that's like calling car shows pointless too.

As has been mentioned, a console ban is not going to eliminate hybrid cars either, that can be worked around, as I'm sure an IP address ban could be too. It's a difficult situation for PD, I've said before that I don't think it's possible to get rid of them for as long as jailbroken PS3's are around.

Again, the solution is relatively simple: remove the temptation by implementing the feature, thus removing all desire to obtain them through illegitimate means.

 

[vr6cas]

I have asked this in the other hacking thread, if the hacking since the launch of GT6 has delayed some of the content to be released, because PD has to focus on a fix for this instead of releasing the community features and DLC. And like I said before, Kaz looks down upon hacking his work and so do I. If you want to hack, do it offline and cruise with the A.I. It has no place online, and esp with the upcoming GTAcadamy, Senna DLC, community features, GPS visualizer features and seasonals, it's a BIG PR nightmare for Kaz and his team. So, all in all, hacking is ruining it for the rest of us no matter how much fun it is or for whatever reason it is you mod the game. It needs to end for the benefit of Gran Turismo and it's fans.

 

[t3kc0h]

As for being on topic. I think that they should ONLY ban hacked cars used in SEASONAL EVENTS OR OTHER LEADERBOARD RELATED RACES. And they should let the community decide to control their own lobbys. As long as hacks have no victim, then I see nothing wrong with it. Seasonal events have victims. ( People who put times up and feel they have been cheated on a game.) Whereas public lobbys do not.

Well, then that's just too bad I'm afraid. There's nothing we can do about it. Because for one, you shouldn't be hacking/hybriding/modding at all in games in the first place, even in GT games, whether it is realistic or not. So PD has to ban those who do such a thing. Sorry but that's the way it is.

Well the gamesave is our property and we can do what we wish to our own property. Am I right?

I know If it's a replica, I understand (I had a few, like the 2,200hp S7). It's the people who put 2,000+hp on everything that I find kind of ridiculous. When I say I wouldn't be upset or I'm for those kinda of cars being banned I'm *trying* to think from the perspective of the people who actually race and drag. I'd be pretty P.O. if I was drag racing and someone brought out a 2k hp, 4WD MX-5 or something.

Yeah I understand that part. But then again, if there's a hack, the lobby host can control it. I'm not upset seeing as I can't make hybrids due to not wanting to have to jailbreak my PS3, but I am a drifter, and stance/engine swaps are very nice luxuries to have. And yes, some people take it overboard (In GT5, my friend gave me a C6 with 1300hp for Nurb. And I was gifted a 3 rotor RX-7 with 1025hp and 1025 kgs in weight that beat a Ford GT in the 1/4.) but there are the few that use it to make the game more enjoyable.

 

[TokoTurismo]

I think you, and many others, seem to be forgetting that this isn't new in any way, shape, or form.

I know. I'm just glad PD begun its banning duty.

Remember Gameshark? The only shortcomings in this day and again is it can affect online players and that's what we don't encourage nor tolerate. There's also the problem with credits being tied to transactions now, which, come to think of it, may have been a countermeasure from the beginning.

I remember gameshark, but wasn't that back in the PS1 days? I know those who hack won't affect others, but they really shouldn't be doing it in the first place.

Well the gamesave is our property and we can do what we wish to our own property. Am I right?

Yes. :tup:

 

[HBR-Roadhog]

Quite frankly, you're the last person to criticize anyone for defending hybrids after having dropped this nugget not too long ago.

I don't get it? Both posts were clearly in opposition to hacking cars so where would be the issue?

 

[t3kc0h]

Yes. But make sure to keep offline. :tup:

Well even when I was gifted hybrids in GT5, I strictly used them for fun. (Drifting, Drags with friends only, Cruises, etc.) I never used them in seasonal events or even in online races. It was strictly with friends, and in a community that approved.

 

[Dan]

Going from what others have said, there are cars in real life that have absurd amounts of horsepower that are somewhat street legal. 1200 HP Supras, 1000 HP Skylines, 1800 HP GT-Rs, and a 2,200 HP all-wheel-drive-converted Saleen S7 (Doesn't that sound like a GT5 hybrid?). As technology advances, we'll see even higher horsepower numbers, so it's tricky to determine what is and is not realistic, although I would most likely draw the line at 5,000 for today's street cars.

 

[TokoTurismo]

Well even when I was gifted hybrids in GT5, I strictly used them for fun. (Drifting, Drags with friends only, Cruises, etc.) I never used them in seasonal events or even in online races. It was strictly with friends, and in a community that approved.

Like in lounges? That's good too. 👍

 

[Swagger897]

Well even when I was gifted hybrids in GT5, I strictly used them for fun. (Drifting, Drags with friends only, Cruises, etc.) I never used them in seasonal events or even in online races. It was strictly with friends, and in a community that approved.

Your community... Not PD's community..

Edit - @TokoTurismo lounges... That's a good idea.

To bad they're gone...

 

[t3kc0h]

Your community... Not PD's community..

Any community in GT is PD's community.

Like in lounges? That's good too. 👍

Like I said before, I'm against hacking for personal gain and in races, and seasonals, there is personal gain.

Going from what others have said, there are cars in real life that have absurd amounts of horsepower that are somewhat street legal. 1200 HP Supras, 1000 HP Skylines, 1800 HP GT-Rs, and a 2,200 HP all-wheel-drive-converted Saleen S7 (Doesn't that sound like a GT5 hybrid?). As technology advances, we'll see even higher horsepower numbers, so it's tricky to determine what is and is not realistic, although I would most likely draw the line at 5,000 for today's street cars.

Everything is actually street legal, some not in all 50 states, but still. As long as you have a CC, an exhaust that isn't too loud, and headlights, etc. It'll pass inspection. (Not valid in California.)

Unless you live where I do, where there is no inspections and exhaust regulations go to 95DBa @ 100 feet. Then pretty much anything with a muffler is street legal.

 

[TokoTurismo]

@TokoTurismo lounges... That's a good idea.

To bad they're gone...

I know right? I hope the community features will bring it back though.

 

[Dan]

Any community in GT is PD's community.

Kaz: "All your community are belong to me."