PENALTY SYSTEM IS STILL A PIECE OF ****!!!

who do people insist on going side by side on that last Yama chicane? DUDE I GOT THE INSIDE LINE but hey lets hold the outside , of course there is contact and of course i get the 2sec penalty

You would have a full time job on the NA server :lol:

The only way to get PDs attention is when the top boycotts the FIA races. However the carrot is big enough for that not to happen. Divide and conquer works all the time. Players keep arguing over whose fault it is more people drive dirty, extending the cycle etc, while the real problem remains unaddressed. Yes, it would be nice if everyone drove clean and contact free, thus no need for a penalty system. But that's not how the world works. Even with the best intentions accidents and minor contact happens.

On the other side of the coin, if everyone would start driving dirty, it would get PDs attention as well :yuck:

they need to get rid of these SR downs for minor contacts like bump kissing , like you hardly feel it but hey you get 3 of those , instant demotion
 
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I'm new here, so definitions and standards probably help
I don't think I lap 1 shd be my own personal qually lap. you race your lane, I'll race mine and whoever's faster gets front of the line
If I'm slower and blocking, then I so knowing I expect, and deserve the chrome horn.
I'm totally ok with "Rubbin's racin'", and "racing things" happen

All that said, there was a really fun window of races last night. Short track contact, Daytona drag races to the line really good stuff
 
Wtf!!!! :banghead: I have no words. :indiff: I guess I can kiss my dreams of entering my first FIA series goodbye. Was the only reason I made the effort to get up to A rank.
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race 1: went in too turn two hot, bulldozered a wobbling slow poke through whatever border is on that side of austria. Then I locked 'em up behind a log jam at the roundhouse, wiped them all out, and got a clean race
Just as I am starting to appreciate this AI stuff, the next race I got double figure penalty time for racing my line.
 
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race 1: went in too turn two hot, bulldozered a wobbling slow poke through whatever border is on that side of austria. Then I locked 'em up behind a log jam at the roundhouse, wiped them all out, and got a clean race

Just as I am starting to appreciate this AI stuff, the next race I got double figure penalty time for racing my line.

I practice a lot with AI and try to treat each race as if I were online. It is hard to simulate for penalties but I totally smash an AI racer I give up the position to them which helps me learn how to drive correctly AND how to race correctly. Sometimes in the heat of the battle I find myself excessively blocking and that is when I also pull aside and let the racer pass.

Penalties in AI mode is hit or miss and I always run with maximum penalties. I wish they were as accurate as sport mode but they are not.

I am odd I admit but I figure I can race AI and win by beating the crap out of them (which won't teach me correct habits) or race them fairly (and keep learning the correct habits). Sometimes I win - sometimes I don't. Keep practicing with the AI and you will get better.

Enjoy your racing!
 
Am new. Been looking for the SR distribution as in S = 99 to ?, A = x to y, B= etc Cant seem to find it..

I have been racing for about 30 days and have never ended a day not at 97 or higher, and after yesterday I am 75 and I recall nothing out of the ordinary. A few off track penalties.

I have not read lots here but I have noticed some racers are pretty good at earning me a penalty for going off track by taking lines that are not open, while I hold my own line.

And damn, there are these drivers in faster cars that pass me just before a corner then are early on the brakes (because their fast cars don't corner well , and they were past their braking point to begin with due to passing me) and bang... I get penalty for tapping them from behind when I make contact. I don't mind the aggressive passing but cutting back right in my line I have no time to react to his drop in speed.. I guess I just need to know the other cars and their strengths and weaknesses better.
 
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Am new. Been looking for the SR distribution as in S = 99 to ?, A = x to y, B= etc Cant seem to find it..

To put it all together

SR.E 1-9
SR.D 10-19
SR.C 20-39
SR.B 40-64
SR.A 65-79
SR.S 80-99

DR.E is reserved for first five races, start at 2,000 DR at 6th race
DR.D 1-4,999
DR.C 5,000-9,999
DR.B 10,000-29,999
DR.A 30,000-49,999
DR.A+ 50,000-100,000

Fall below SR 50, DR is capped (reset) at 40,000
Fall below SR 30, DR is capped (reset) at 20,000
Fall below SR 15, DR is capped (reset) at 7,000
Fall to SR.1 DR is capped (reset) at 3,000

You can't advance to a higher DR rank than your current SR rank
Advancing a rank gets you an extra 1,500 DR, losing a rank costs you an extra 1,500 DR

Each SR up (green) arrow is worth 0.3 to 0.4 SR depending on the track.
Each SR down (orange) arrow for contact costs you 10 SR (varies now and then)
An SR Down arrow for contacting the pit wall, or driving the wrong way costs you 2 SR

Below SR.50 you earn more SR, from factor 1.0 at SR 50 to a factor 3.2 at SR 1, linear scale based on your SR at the start of the race.
From 50 and up earnings are the same.

At lower SR and DR penalties are generally lower and trigger less often. More shenanigans are allowed.
When players with different SR and DR come in contact, the one with the lowest SR/DR usually gets a pass and the higher SR/DR gets the blame.

Shortcut penalties are based on perceived gains, which is buggy, but generally if the game thinks you might have gained time you get a time penalty (without SR loss) in 0.5 sec increments depending on hum much the game thinks you benefited.
Hitting a wall gives you a 1.5 sec penalty (also no SR loss) which triggers depending on how you hit the wall. It doesn't make all that much sense, bouncing off a wall is usually fine, while scraping can be seen as an advantage as well as driving straight into a wall...

A different measure is used to determine whether you still qualify for the SR up arrow for that section, wider track limits, more sensitive walls.
You get the clean race bonus if you earn all the SR up arrows during a race, which can happen with short cut penalties, but negated by any SR Down arrows. The CRB gives you 50% extra credits and xp.

Matchmaking is based on SR first then DR in a simple selection algorithm
- Collect all entries in 90-99 SR range, sort on DR and create rooms from highest to lowest DR
- Collect all entries in 80-89 SR range, sort on DR, fill up left over spot in last created room (with the lowest DR) with highest DR entries of this range, then create more rooms from highest to lowest DR
- Collect all entries in 70-79 SR range, etc etc
Very simple sorting algorithm that creates strange anomalies where A+/S (SR 89) can end up with a full room of D/S (SR 90 to 99)

Qualifying time is only used to sort the rooms after they have been created on SR/DR.
Non qualifiers start behind the qualifiers and are sorted on DR

Your finishing position is the only thing that counts for earning/losing DR.
Your take 80 + ( (their DR - your DR) / 500) points from every player you finish ahead of (including DNF players)
You give 80 + ( (your DR - their DR) / 500) points to every player that finishes ahead of you (DC or quit, give points to all that stayed)
Thus if you have lower DR than a player you finish ahead of, you get more than 80 points. But if you have higher DR than a player that beats you, you lose more than 80 points.

It's a zero sum exchange with exception that players can't go below DR.1, more points enter the pool to compensate for those that can't pay up. And you can't go over 100,000, anything over is lost. (As well as points lost in a reset)

Beware results don't count until the race has closed, don't quit during the countdown after finishing. Results are not updated until after the race has closed, you won't see your SR/DR change straight away if you quit during the race. It's updated after the race is finished and players send back to the lobby.
 
Just because I've not posted a video in here for a while. ;)


Yes I forced them off the track. :lol: Really not sure what PD think I can do to avoid this sort of thing. :lol:


:gtplanet::cheers:

Well you cut in front of him then braked early, it obviously wasn't deliberate (cos your posting here) but from his position it would look that way.
 
Well you cut in front of him then braked early, it obviously wasn't deliberate (cos your posting here) but from his position it would look that way.

He's driving according to the traffic in front of him and brakes with #13, keeping the same separation until getting hit from behind. The car behind is not anticipating traffic ahead and seems to expect to be able to postpone braking to the regular hot lap braking point.

Ash's car is correctly positioned not to have slipstream interfere with his braking, and still has a way out to avoid the car ahead, like he did after he got hit.

The car behind had no options there to over take, had no one behind him and should have braked earlier anticipating cars would be bunching up going through Ascari.

The penalty is 100% incorrect.
 
Look again, Ash is on the left then just before braking he jinks right just before braking. Had he stayed where he was there wouldn't have been an accident. OK looking again more drifts in front, but it's still cutting in front at a braking point. The pen for once is correct.
 
Yes I was driving careful and moving a bit, you've got to in traffic like that. Already today I've spent laps stuck behind because the two in front are battling, you can't do what the red car did and drive/brake as normal.

Was it an accident, yes, do I sometimes do it, well yes but mostly I don't then go off, so I'll get a deserved Sr- and maybe a penalty for not being careful and not the car I hit.

The only reason I posted was to laugh at the penalty system, I have no issue with the other driver, I don't even remember the names I race against most of the time.


:gtplanet::cheers:
 
Well you cut in front of him then braked early, it obviously wasn't deliberate (cos your posting here) but from his position it would look that way.

I am not sure I see it exactly that way. Ash moved over but never got fully behind P13, the red P15 didn't look ready for or in the act of anticipating the slip stream braking requirement (probably should have already been on the brakes at that point). I believe he probably would have slammed into P13 had Ash not been there. Also his right side was on the grass, left side on raceway, and finally brakes on full . . . that car was going to the left no matter what after that bump. Just what I see.
 
I am not sure I see it exactly that way. Ash moved over but never got fully behind P13, the red P15 didn't look ready for or in the act of anticipating the slip stream braking requirement (probably should have already been on the brakes at that point). I believe he probably would have slammed into P13 had Ash not been there. Also his right side was on the grass, left side on raceway, and finally brakes on full . . . that car was going to the left no matter what after that bump. Just what I see.
But he had over a cars length of space, then suddenly at the braking zone he has 2 foot. Not saying the guy wasn't leaving his braking late, but anyone cutting in front at a braking point is always in the wrong. It's actually quite disturbing that you lot don't get this. Bet you'd back the guy who on leaving the pits last week took the normal line and blames me for hitting him.
 
But he had over a cars length of space, then suddenly at the braking zone he has 2 foot. Not saying the guy wasn't leaving his braking late, but anyone cutting in front at a braking point is always in the wrong. It's actually quite disturbing that you lot don't get this. Bet you'd back the guy who on leaving the pits last week took the normal line and blames me for hitting him.

I saw the braking area shrink (thanks to Ash), still think the racer should have already been braking and might have been able to avoid the bump. The subsequent turn off course to the left might have been caused initially by the bump but I still say think the braking in the grass was the main reason.

Technically I disagree with the use of "always" again see what you are saying. The driver behind should "always" yield to the driver in front's racing style . . . not sure this is an accurate statement. See how "always" doesn't work for me?

Not sure what happened with the pit exit last week but know people don't often don't follow the pit entry/exit lines correctly. The system also rarely penalizes for the violations either. Sorry to hear you experienced a problem with this issue. Out of curiosity what track was it?

Enjoy your racing.
 
But he had over a cars length of space, then suddenly at the braking zone he has 2 foot. Not saying the guy wasn't leaving his braking late, but anyone cutting in front at a braking point is always in the wrong. It's actually quite disturbing that you lot don't get this. Bet you'd back the guy who on leaving the pits last week took the normal line and blames me for hitting him.

Suddenly? Ash very gradually moves back over to the racing line.

0:09 Ash responds to nr 13 indicating for him to pass on the left, yet he doesn't have the speed to start a pass. Then over a period of 4 seconds, he slowly steers back to the racing line while staying out of #13's slipstream. The steering input hardly even registers on the video. The move started long before the braking zone and was completed before the breaking zone before the 200M board. His brake lights come on at the same time #13's brake lights come on, braking in unison, maintaining the same separation.

There is no suddenly, there is no early braking on Ash's part. He is anticipating traffic, looking ahead and responding to what's happening in front of him. It's not his responsibility to also track the cars behind him while already looking at the traffic ahead.

#15 doesn't start braking until after the 150 board, after he hit Ash. He's not anticipating what's going on in front of him even without Ash in the way he would have hit #13. #15 is in the wrong here.

Swerving in a braking zone is indeed a big no no. Suddenly cutting in front right before a braking zone is bad sport. However this move was well telegraphed well in advance, nothing sudden. the gap was closing over a 4 sec period and simply not there anymore before the braking zone. Plenty of time to respond.
 
Not that there's any written rules about this for GTSport but general FIA rules dictate that you can make one defensive move and then move back onto the racing line before a braking zone. This is exactly what Ash does. Changing your line under braking is a massive no but that doesn't come into this example.

There's no way you can blame Ash for the contact and didn't deserve the penalty. The car behind was just oblivious to what was happening right in front of them.
 
The Aston has no business getting back on the racing line and jumping on the brakes 40 meters early, clear as day brake checking. :confused:
See, this is s problem that we read the traffic so differently. This is a clear indication that a lot of the thing people talk about as dirty driving really isn't.
Most of us here doesn't see this as "Jumping back on the race line and braking early". He was back on the race line long before the braking zone and he was braking earlier than what you would do in a TT run, yes, but that is entirely because he is adjusting his braking to the traffic ahead.
If he hadn't braked at that point he would hit the car ahead. He had no choice but to brake
Now you can argue that he had not place being on the race line, but if so why not? He moves to the race line long before the braking zone, as it is his right.
That's not brake checking at all.
 
The Aston has no business getting back on the racing line and jumping on the brakes 40 meters early, clear as day brake checking. :confused:

There's a big difference between accusing someone of bad driving and accusing someone of dirty driving. Its clear as day from Ash's history tha he is in no way a dirty driver.

As for braking early, it always surprises me the number of drivers who think they are entitled to the time trial braking point all race long. Many racers don't understand the need to adjust braking points based on the situation ahead of them. In my opinion you are one of those racers.

People will always disagree over the cause of racing incidents but to accuse someone of deliberately causing a crash (to what gain?!) is not cool and a low blow.
 
The Aston has no business getting back on the racing line and jumping on the brakes 40 meters early, clear as day brake checking. :confused:
No it wasn't a dirty move just a bad one.

See, this is s problem that we read the traffic so differently. This is a clear indication that a lot of the thing people talk about as dirty driving really isn't.
Most of us here doesn't see this as "Jumping back on the race line and braking early". He was back on the race line long before the braking zone and he was braking earlier than what you would do in a TT run, yes, but that is entirely because he is adjusting his braking to the traffic ahead.
If he hadn't braked at that point he would hit the car ahead. He had no choice but to brake
Now you can argue that he had not place being on the race line, but if so why not? He moves to the race line long before the braking zone, as it is his right.
That's not brake checking at all.
He just got a fraction of his car on the line before he braked. Had he been well on the line I wouldn't say he was in the wrong. See this is my issue with the move, he had just got in front of the guy when he hit the brakes, you can argue all you want that the guy wasn't going to brake in time, but the situation had changed from what he was expecting. Why would the guy in front not pull in well before the braking zone? Because he's not pulling in.....oh 🤬 he pulled in and braked.
 
No it wasn't a dirty move just a bad one.


He just got a fraction of his car on the line before he braked. Had he been well on the line I wouldn't say he was in the wrong. See this is my issue with the move, he had just got in front of the guy when he hit the brakes, you can argue all you want that the guy wasn't going to brake in time, but the situation had changed from what he was expecting. Why would the guy in front not pull in well before the braking zone? Because he's not pulling in.....oh 🤬 he pulled in and braked.
Still the following car turned left under braking to hit him.
I guess we have to agree to disagree here
 
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