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No he didn't turn he was spun by the collision. But let's forget it,
PENALTY SYSTEM IS STILL A PIECE OF ****!!!
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) off the circuit on the exit of T1 because they unghosted a pixel in front of your bumper is... nothing. 
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To brake out of slipstream. If he been in the slipstream he would not slow down as much as the car in front of him and bump him in the braking zone. Or to compensate he would have to brake even earlier. The car behind was in the slipstream of 2 cars, should have anticipated and start braking sooner. He's still on the gas until the 150 meter board.
If there was no car in front of him, then you would have a point. In that case, it is bad sport as well as dangerous to 'block' as much road as possible coming into the braking zone. However in traffic, it is dangerous to drive right behind someone with a braking zone coming up. Due to slipstream you will always have to brake earlier than the car ahead. Since you can't predict when the car ahead will start braking, position yourself in such a way that you're out of the slipstream and have room to avoid the car ahead in case they brake much earlier than expected.
If you have 2 cars in front of you, double the slipstream, brake early. You have no real outs since the cars in front might have to avoid each other. You're in no position to make a move. Concentrate on slow in, fast out, to make a move after the corner.
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Agreed. In the perfect world it
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So Ash was far worse than I first thought, as he was out of slip, yet pulled in approaching the braking zone. Your statement makes it look like Ash did it deliberately rather than it just being a mistake.
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Yes, he drove the way he is supposed to, to go as efficiently as possible through Ascari adjusted to the traffic around him. If he had no one behind him, he could have lifted of the gas and started braking earlier to go fully on the racing line and get a run on the car ahead of him at corner exit. Since he had traffic in front and behind his options were reduced to getting through Ascari as close as possible to the car ahead while keeping a safe distance and a way out in case of trouble.
The car behind had the luxury to lift, brake early, focus on a better corner exit to get a run on the cars ahead to parabolica. The car behind is far worse than you think. He's showing no race craft, no awareness of the situation, no strategy and seems to be just driving time trial style.
Yes it was all deliberate, correct behavior, safe, strategic and all within the rules.
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Well I just hope I never meet you in a race, if that's the way you think.
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I am new and this has probably been suggested before, but why the cap at 99 on SR? You hit 99, clean race for 20 or 30 more races, and when it comes to penalties you are treated the same as a person who just hit 99 the race before.
Why not this. 99 is your official max for records. But, after that you have a buffer pool of points. After you hit 99 you earn 20% of you normal DS points that you would have got, up to a max of 25 buffer points. Then you could earn 10% or your points to a max total of 50 buffer points. So, you would cap out at 149 points You would still lose these "buffer" points at a normal rate, but at least you would have a buffer that you EARNED through driving safe and having a good rep and "sustaining" that good behavior well past your cap of 99. The numbers/percentages I proposed would need to be changed by people who understand the big picture and proper weighting of bonus points, etc.
The thing that bugs me is that my respect for others and track limits does not vary. Some races are more penalty prone than others. People who spend a lot of time at 99 and get lots of clean races don't become reckless dive bombers overnight, and if they did then this change would just take a couple of more races for them to end up where they would have been anyway..
When you have a hard cap on your SR, it can only ever go in one direction. This is silly.
Why not this. 99 is your official max for records. But, after that you have a buffer pool of points. After you hit 99 you earn 20% of you normal DS points that you would have got, up to a max of 25 buffer points. Then you could earn 10% or your points to a max total of 50 buffer points. So, you would cap out at 149 points You would still lose these "buffer" points at a normal rate, but at least you would have a buffer that you EARNED through driving safe and having a good rep and "sustaining" that good behavior well past your cap of 99. The numbers/percentages I proposed would need to be changed by people who understand the big picture and proper weighting of bonus points, etc.
The thing that bugs me is that my respect for others and track limits does not vary. Some races are more penalty prone than others. People who spend a lot of time at 99 and get lots of clean races don't become reckless dive bombers overnight, and if they did then this change would just take a couple of more races for them to end up where they would have been anyway..
When you have a hard cap on your SR, it can only ever go in one direction. This is silly.
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Well a sensible system wouldn't punish you for hitting a respawn or someone re-entering the track, so we can disregard any sensible suggestions. It would be so much better if it took your driving over a period rather than this up and down every game approach. I know I sometimes act the fool because I know it has no lasting effect, but if it took an average over the last X games you couldn't have these revenge burst you'd just take what the idiot did knowing you'll stay up and he's going down.
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Just because I've not posted a video in here for a while.
Yes I forced them off the track.Really not sure what PD think I can do to avoid this sort of thing.
@ASH32 if you still have the replay would you mind sharing it so we can see this incident from different viewpoints?
It seems impossible to reacha consensus from the footage available.
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I probably do have and could share it, I didn't think it'd be worth this much interest as it's such a minor thing really.
On the drifting I do it a bit, it's not intentional but my wheel doesn't like to centre, I think it's straight but it's not quite, could be why my tyres go rubbish more than others too, I bet the guys with the good stuff don't have this issue. Also a split second later I would have moved to the left and they'd have hit the other driver instead, it's just one of those things.
I also have another video that could split opinion even more so, not dirty, not clear cut clean either and I think the game gives the penalty completely wrongly but maybe I shouldn't post that one.
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I probably do have and could share it, I didn't think it'd be worth this much interest as it's such a minor thing really.
On the drifting I do it a bit, it's not intentional but my wheel doesn't like to centre, I think it's straight but it's not quite, could be why my tyres go rubbish more than others too, I bet the guys with the good stuff don't have this issue. Also a split second later I would have moved to the left and they'd have hit the other driver instead, it's just one of those things.
I also have another video that could split opinion even more so, not dirty, not clear cut clean either and I think the game gives the penalty completely wrongly but maybe I shouldn't post that one.
It highlights the need for clear cut rules when it comes to sport. There are very clear differences in opinion on what clean racing is. The "don't make yourself look bad" rule from PD is beyond useless and we only have a faulty penalty system as 'teacher'.
Don't worry about splitting opinion, much more useful to see things from different sides than simply agree that the penalty system is still a piece of 🤬.
Considering the alternative, stay on the inside, what would the chances have been of a successful transition through Ascari. The car behind you would have been side by side with you (either by braking in time to slide next to you, or by losing momentum from bumping the car ahead) through Ascari, not a good corner for that, lose lots of time. Or the car behind would have started braking properly early to stay behind you and you would have comprised both yours and his transition through Ascari, slowing both of you down by being so far off the racing line.
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Maybe you should, even if we disagree at least we're getting different points of view and having to think a bit about it. Even professionals disagree about what's right or wrong, as long as people don't start throwing abuse about it's all good.I also have another video that could split opinion even more so, not dirty, not clear cut clean either and I think the game gives the penalty completely wrongly but maybe I shouldn't post that one.
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Sure looked ike to me he was so late in the brakes that had ash stayed on the inside he avoids contact but the car behind either hits the other guy or drives it off into the sand.
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So annoying when you get a 4s penalty because you end up pin-balling into a car in front at the chicane at Monza while minding your own business and the guy behind you forgets how to use his brakes, then cruises by and passes both of you without a penalty or even a slight hint of bother... 
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Here's another new (not the one I previously mentioned) incident.
And yes I 🤬 up but 4 seconds for touching the car already off and nothing for the GT-R that put them there. Also they then hit me clean off because I'm slow due to penalty and it's a 1 second penalty, yep system makes sense.
As if using the FT-1 VGT isn't enough of a handicap. Actually it's not awful but a bit slower than the top cars. 
And yes I 🤬 up but 4 seconds for touching the car already off and nothing for the GT-R that put them there.
Also they then hit me clean off because I'm slow due to penalty and it's a 1 second penalty, yep system makes sense. As if using the FT-1 VGT isn't enough of a handicap.
Actually it's not awful but a bit slower than the top cars.
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I just did something like that, last lap, a Ford GT comes out from the pit ahead, keeps his line but I know the car has hards on and just came out so giving a wide berth. T1 all is well, Retifilio, all is well, I move closer for Lesmo 1, he seems in control, then just after Lesmo one he gets a slide going on the gas right in front of me, he is right ahead of me and I have no where to go so I hit him, pretty hard and the combination of me hitting him and him on the slide sends him into the wall on the right.
I lift, get hit hard from behind by an Aston, 4 seconds to me....
Lose 4 places when crossing the line....
The system really isn´t right much of the time. I still think a shared penalty system would work better to promote clean racing, but I can fully understand why neither FIA or PD wants it.
But something has to be done or GT7 will be a short lived internet sensation.
I lift, get hit hard from behind by an Aston, 4 seconds to me....
Lose 4 places when crossing the line....
The system really isn´t right much of the time. I still think a shared penalty system would work better to promote clean racing, but I can fully understand why neither FIA or PD wants it.
But something has to be done or GT7 will be a short lived internet sensation.
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Here's another new (not the one I previously mentioned) incident.
And yes I 🤬 up but 4 seconds for touching the car already off and nothing for the GT-R that put them there.
As if using the FT-1 VGT isn't enough of a handicap.
DR difference explains that.
You have 44K DR, the car you hit and hit you (same one) has 22K DR. The car that put him there has 12K DR.
You are the master, you should know better!
Why the heck was he aiming for you at Ascari? Did he think it was you that put him off in T1.
No doubt, since he punted ash clean past the car ahead. I was listing other possible scenarios. None would have had favorable outcomes by staying on the inside. Here Ash stayed on the inside (moved a bit to make the corner but plenty room on the outside), still gets punted. The car behind doesn't start braking until 100 and seems to think he can cut the corner to make it, he turns in so early.
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Yes they probably thought it was me that punted them first but as you can see it wasn't.
On the red Mazda from before I checked today and they never finished the race after a number of other avoidable incidents, not surprised.
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The penalty is incorrect imo. According to the rules, you out braked your opponent, you are ahead at turn in, beat him to the apex and can make the corner fine despite the interference of a nose against your left bumper (turning your car the wrong way)
There was nothing intentional on his part and it looks like lag interfered. You might as well have been further back on his screen and jumped forward in the corner from his pov. Cutting the corner like that after contact was bad sport though, as well as cutting you off at corner exit. Sure according to the rules you don't have to leave room if you're more than halfway ahead at corner exit, yet he only got there by cutting the corner. But again, lag probably made things look different on his screen and you were probably further back (lagging behind) from his pov, him never touching you at corner exit.
The penalty is incorrect regardless. And this is why I don't play GT Sport anymore. I've just started to like Brazil again! Too much lag between Canada and Brazil to have good races on Monza. I recognize the name and have had some 'friendly conversations' with him
There was nothing intentional on his part and it looks like lag interfered. You might as well have been further back on his screen and jumped forward in the corner from his pov. Cutting the corner like that after contact was bad sport though, as well as cutting you off at corner exit. Sure according to the rules you don't have to leave room if you're more than halfway ahead at corner exit, yet he only got there by cutting the corner. But again, lag probably made things look different on his screen and you were probably further back (lagging behind) from his pov, him never touching you at corner exit.
The penalty is incorrect regardless. And this is why I don't play GT Sport anymore. I've just started to like Brazil again! Too much lag between Canada and Brazil to have good races on Monza. I recognize the name and have had some 'friendly conversations' with him
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Yep, ideally you should brake a little earlier to stay on the inside leaving room for the other car. And ideally when the other car sees you don't, they should wait a little longer to turn in and undercut or get a better corner exit to pass on the way to Roggia.
It's close to a dive bomb, but in this case clearly on the side of out braking your opponent. There was still overlap at the start of the braking zone. However we don't know how it looked on the other car's side. They were traveling at 74 m/s before braking, avg latency between Brazil and London is 217ms. Means 108 ms for data to arrive from Ash to Brazil, 8 meters forward prediction in action at that point. (Excluding latency between server and client, that 108ms is just between two high speed servers in London and Brasilia)
The only way to draw any conclusions is to see the live footage of both players. Imo, it's purely a lag incident. The server could see that, but it just lets the clients blame each other.
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All good folks, I went and figured it out. Took a couple nights of pounding Monza, but the data is in and I have created the ultimate Survival Guide.
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Ran several Daily B races this week and all of them were good except this pair of lap 1 exchanges an Italian and I did. I personally believe he deserved both but PD opted for us to share 1 for 1.
L1T1 the Italian pulls out of 16th the divebomb into T1 where I guess I shouldn't have been turning. He gets 3 seconds.
L1T5 I see the tire smoke and came around the corner in time to T-bone the same Italian who went off the track and then crossed directly in from of me. This time PD awarded me 3 seconds and an orange down.
Overall 200 DR increase for alt and around 500 DR increase for primary accounts - like I said good racing.
L1T1 the Italian pulls out of 16th the divebomb into T1 where I guess I shouldn't have been turning. He gets 3 seconds.
L1T5 I see the tire smoke and came around the corner in time to T-bone the same Italian who went off the track and then crossed directly in from of me. This time PD awarded me 3 seconds and an orange down.
Overall 200 DR increase for alt and around 500 DR increase for primary accounts - like I said good racing.
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