PENALTY SYSTEM IS STILL A PIECE OF ****!!!

I think there is some lost perspective here. Here on GTPlanet it feels like everyone plays online. But the numbers have shown only a fraction of people who buy GT even try Sports Mode. So it's safe to assume not many are intending to race online at the time of purchase. The reality is having a Toyota Corolla or VW Bug in the game has more impact on the sales than the penalty system.
 
I think there is some lost perspective here. Here on GTPlanet it feels like everyone plays online. But the numbers have shown only a fraction of people who buy GT even try Sports Mode. So it's safe to assume not many are intending to race online at the time of purchase. The reality is having a Toyota Corolla or VW Bug in the game has more impact on the sales than the penalty system.
I bought it for offline, but there isn't a game here so I tried online. I don't think many play offline Only 7.4% have got to the final movie. 14.2% have driven 2,451 miles. Only 32.6% watched the vids. So the numbers show that only a fraction of the people who bought it play it at all. It's only 0.6% for those who have played 322 onlines games. The number are normal for any game though, lots buy few complete or continue playing.
This game is a great online game, apart from the pens, but it's not a GT game and really should have been marketed differently. GT7 might struggle simple because people bought this and found it wasn't what they expected, see GT7 and think " GT used to be great, but not anymore". This is without a doubt the worst offline GT game ever made.
 
I bought it for offline, but there isn't a game here so I tried online. I don't think many play offline Only 7.4% have got to the final movie. 14.2% have driven 2,451 miles. Only 32.6% watched the vids. So the numbers show that only a fraction of the people who bought it play it at all. It's only 0.6% for those who have played 322 onlines games. The number are normal for any game though, lots buy few complete or continue playing.
This game is a great online game, apart from the pens, but it's not a GT game and really should have been marketed differently. GT7 might struggle simple because people bought this and found it wasn't what they expected, see GT7 and think " GT used to be great, but not anymore". This is without a doubt the worst offline GT game ever made.

KudosPrime has an estimate for that.

Active in the past 7 days: 856K
Weekly active players in sport mode: about 100K average

Thus from those still playing, less than 12% play in sport mode.
The old online lobbies are also a big part of the game where you can simply turn the penalties off.

There are another 11.8 million inactive players (not played in the last 7 days)

Ergo, pissing off the remaining 100K sport mode players is a non issue compared to the 12 million potential sales of GT7 :/

Btw, from PD's point of view, everything is fine
https://www.kudosprime.com/gts/stats.php?stat_preset=weekly_sport_activity

Thanks to the pandemic, participation rates have stayed at a constant level. Spikes line up with lock downs.
 
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KudosPrime has an estimate for that.

Active in the past 7 days: 856K
Weekly active players in sport mode: about 100K average

Thus from those still playing, less than 12% play in sport mode.
The old online lobbies are also a big part of the game where you can simply turn the penalties off.

There are another 11.8 million inactive players (not played in the last 7 days)

Ergo, pissing off the remaining 100K sport mode players is a non issue compared to the 12 million potential sales of GT7 :/

Btw, from PD's point of view, everything is fine
https://www.kudosprime.com/gts/stats.php?stat_preset=weekly_sport_activity

Thanks to the pandemic, participation rates have stayed at a constant level. Spikes line up with lock downs.

Yes, but Sport is the flagship mode on GTS which is geared towards Esports and Sport mode.
The fact that so little of the players are using it shows they have got something drastically wrong.
 
Yes, but Sport is the flagship mode on GTS which is geared towards Esports and Sport mode.
The fact that so little of the players are using it shows they have got something drastically wrong.

Yes and no. All the studios seems to be pushing towards online multiplayer and have been for quite a while now. While there is a significant segment of the gaming community that is passionate about online play and esports, from what I can tell the majority of players still want offline, single player gaming. I think the entire industry is getting it wrong, in a way.
 
Yes and no. All the studios seems to be pushing towards online multiplayer and have been for quite a while now. While there is a significant segment of the gaming community that is passionate about online play and esports, from what I can tell the majority of players still want offline, single player gaming. I think the entire industry is getting it wrong, in a way.
But PD know this, this is why GT7 is returning to a proper GT game style. Yes there will be online stuff, maybe better than this, but the focus has definitely shifted.
 
Yes, but Sport is the flagship mode on GTS which is geared towards Esports and Sport mode.
The fact that so little of the players are using it shows they have got something drastically wrong.

I wouldn't really agree with that. 100k weekly players on a 3 year old game with no significant updates in a year is actually pretty phenomenal. Particularly for a niche genre.

The GTSport experiment extends to the World Championships and what they had going through 2019 had seriously high engagement. Last year was a bit different but that's basically out of everyone's control.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending the game as a whole as it has serious issues, but the fact that people are still playing regularly in very high numbers suggests that fundamentally they got something right. If everyone who bought the game played online regularly it would be seriously unusual. Online sim racers don't get millions of players.
 
Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending the game as a whole as it has serious issues, but the fact that people are still playing regularly in very high numbers suggests that fundamentally they got something right.

I agree. To me a huge issue is the lack of offline instruction in the challenges. It just lets you smash the ai without penalty to win. Also, there’s no real examples explanations and excercise s designed to help people really learn fundamentally how to race safely.
Or they could do individual challenges like properly overtake the ai by getting alongside on the inside, and completing the pass without contact boom give out a bunch of credits.
Boom run side by side through esses without touching ai boom credits. Another could be you have worn tires ai has your inside allow overtake without touching boom credits.
Show corner rights explain OBVIOUS corner rights and make a passing nod to grey area moves. These are just ideas but they ought to teach people fundamentals that will help them learn to race others...
The penalty system has issues.
Overall though this is 2021. Online gaming (if you have internet) is what race games are going to do.
The other thing is about number of players is there’s a large number of players that don’t use sport mode but are very active on sharing liveries and scapes. Those don’t show up in numbers just counting sports mode.
I know there are voices here that want a big offline game, but for myself if 7 is that I won’t buy a new console or the game.
Single player offline other titles are more fun like Dirt Rally 1-2.
If they don’t show lots of improvements to the online component they will not succeed.
I disagree though with people implying that online racing was a fundamental mistake. In my view that aspect with online livery sharing scapes etc is what is fundamentally right.
I’ve been saying it forever but everything comes down to the penalty/ranking/matchmaking system and it’s way too volatile to be meaningful. The ranking changes race to race. THAT is fundamentally wrong. Car class, and track should enter in as well as scoring being much more of a time weighted average.
On the FIA side, they need to go back to ONE CHANCE PER EVENT.
Right now with multiple entries and do overs it’s SILLY!
In real races there’s no do overs.
Real drivers can’t be stripped of their rank and dropped from F1 to go karts because of 1 race result.
If these don’t change looking towards gt7, PD won’t dominate. Other developers will. Developers who watch and learn from GTS s shortcomings.
 
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I think too FIA and daily races need to be totally separated as far as scoring.
I really think the livery creation and photography really are SO cool and fundamentally right, too.

Re 2022, I am willing to wait, as long as they get the penalty system working, but if they don’t I might just save for a pc and switch to ACC.
Heck I might get tired of this ranking nonsense and do that anyway
 
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From the GT Sport main menu.
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This probably means wreck or be wrecked. I think I picked a good time to boycott again.
 
I think there is some lost perspective here. Here on GTPlanet it feels like everyone plays online. But the numbers have shown only a fraction of people who buy GT even try Sports Mode. So it's safe to assume not many are intending to race online at the time of purchase. The reality is having a Toyota Corolla or VW Bug in the game has more impact on the sales than the penalty system.

IMO its not obvious that sport mode is the main mode. I had the game a while before I even realised sport mode was a thing I thought you just had to find decent lobbies. It should have an into tutorial about the modes
 
Penalties are almost completely off it seems. SR downs are much harder to come by too.

I actually think no penalties is better than BS penalties but the SR system is more concerning. Everyone will be SR99.

Overall though this is good news for FIA races (imo)

You know what happened the last time they did that...they changed it back quickly lol
 
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IMO its not obvious that sport mode is the main mode. I had the game a while before I even realised sport mode was a thing I thought you just had to find decent lobbies. It should have an into tutorial about the modes
That seems unlikely. Sports Mode is an entire Menu section. After completing most of the challenges the game asks you to try Sport Mode.... You would of had to intentionally ignore all of that. Not to mention every review and article written about the game.

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Latest update turned off side contact penalties.
Just be aware. The diving is legal now.
I swear there’s a part of me that feels for this game it would be best to forego all conventional etiquette, and simply do whatever is not penalized :(.
All they’ve done for years is basically increase and decrease sensitivity for contact.
As it sits right now after just playing I’d rather they just turn it all totally off.
 
Latest update turned off side contact penalties.
Just be aware. The diving is legal now.
I swear there’s a part of me that feels for this game it would be best to forego all conventional etiquette, and simply do whatever is not penalized :(.
All they’ve done for years is basically increase and decrease sensitivity for contact.
As it sits right now after just playing I’d rather they just turn it all totally off.

Ugh, not looking forward to experiencing this later. Sounds like every corner will be a battle for a tight line even if contact is inevitable so you can force everyone else wide.

I'm not really familiar with the online modes of other console racing games. Do they do a better job with systems to discourage bad driving? I guess ACC is a special case because it has such a niche audience who are more likely to behave. And maybe Project Cars 2 has a similar audience (PC3 is dead online already based on my limited experience) But what about F1 and Forza M?
 
Well I wouldn't say there is really much difference, except people aren't getting big pens for others mistakes so there is less rage. If you try and race your still getting the 1 sec because you barely tap the guy in front and the SR down. First 2 games I lost 9 SR so I played really passive and made 16 back with no pens and hardly any contact. It's still too dodgy to play without an alt, but at least it's playable. Once people know what they can get away with it might change though.
 
Ugh, not looking forward to experiencing this later. Sounds like every corner will be a battle for a tight line even if contact is inevitable so you can force everyone else wide.

I'm not really familiar with the online modes of other console racing games. Do they do a better job with systems to discourage bad driving? I guess ACC is a special case because it has such a niche audience who are more likely to behave. And maybe Project Cars 2 has a similar audience (PC3 is dead online already based on my limited experience) But what about F1 and Forza M?

Ran a few Race B's and there is a point where the penalty changes have now made it a free-for-all, I git unfairly rammed a few times and I can see once the bad drivers figure the changes out there going to have a field day and bash their way around the track. I only seen 2 penalties in 3 races and most recorded none in the results. We will want and see what comes of it and will do some more races later in B & C.
 
This is what racing will be like now I think. :(



Not even SR reduction I don't think was blue at the end, this sort of thing should lose you more than you can regain really. 💡



Not sure how the push avoided a penalty because someone did the exact same earlier and did get a penalty but even the intentional revenge punt only gets 2 seconds. Will probably see loads of revenge now. :indiff:

:gtplanet::cheers:
 
But what about F1 and Forza M?
Since the first Codies F1 game 10 years ago there has never been a clean first corner.

I'm looking forward to trying the racing tonight, it sounds like the penalties for hitting people who don't accelerate out of corners are gone which is a great move.
 
Since the first Codies F1 game 10 years ago there has never been a clean first corner.

I'm looking forward to trying the racing tonight, it sounds like the penalties for hitting people who don't accelerate out of corners are gone which is a great move.

Yes they are, came across an idiot doing this to try and get everyone penalties and it just wasn't working and eventually everyone got by and I think they quit. :lol:

The system basically lets most things go so defend the inside is the thing that people are starting to do a lot, which of course creates more chaos for anyone stuck behind it. :(
 
This is what racing will be like now I think. :(



Not even SR reduction I don't think was blue at the end, this sort of thing should lose you more than you can regain really. 💡



Not sure how the push avoided a penalty because someone did the exact same earlier and did get a penalty but even the intentional revenge punt only gets 2 seconds. Will probably see loads of revenge now. :indiff:

:gtplanet::cheers:

Ok I'm out.
 
I think...Going in on alt...In a way it will be fun to race and fight if attacked and not get immediately reset to D E.
I think you go in understanding the new rules and play accordingly.
It’s better to be able to fight than just get reset every day or two.
 
Another game where I drive cleanly, get rammed and get a pen. SR down again it isn't that much better. Yes your only dropping 5-10 SR when idiots do this rather than the 20-40 from last week, but still getting punished for other peoples bad driving. Even if I get SR down for my stupid driving or insane revenge (shouldn't drop to their level, but I can't help myself sometimes) I don't mind, but this constantly dropping SR because of other people is just ridiculous.
In my alt now and staying in it forever, my main is for FIA and other stuff if I ever get a decent interweb thingy.
 
Due to too many times rules had changed/modification that carried confusing "what the heck going on" Finally I said "Hell with you" I gave up the Game Mode competition. It gave me peace and hope GT7 comes out better.
 
This is what racing will be like now I think. :(



Not even SR reduction I don't think was blue at the end, this sort of thing should lose you more than you can regain really. 💡



Not sure how the push avoided a penalty because someone did the exact same earlier and did get a penalty but even the intentional revenge punt only gets 2 seconds. Will probably see loads of revenge now. :indiff:

:gtplanet::cheers:


Brazil is a poor internet connection environment :banghead:

Great update, now they have confirmed that those with bad internet get preferential treatment. I guess I should make an Asia account and go barge around there...
 
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