Photo GT5 prologue VS Forza 3 Demo

[Bank]

@ Earth

Wow Forza has really good graphics on that New York track.
It looks great 👍

There's just something about GT's Tokyo R246 that I like more though.
Maybe I like the circuit more? lol The corners look more fun.

 

[McLaren]

I wasnt referring to this thread in specific as numerous threads have people sucking Forza's nipple. So maybe you should not get so defensive and take your own advice unless I directly call you out, in which I did not.

Then make that known next time.

 

[Devedander]

I think an issue with constantly comparing the two is that despite how much they appear to be apples to apples, they are almost as much apples to oranges.

While they certainly share a lot in common, I think often people think of it as some sort of perfect model both of them are tryingt to hit exaclty on the button.

But in reality I think it's quite possible they are not even aiming at the same target so comparing the two falls apart... it makes sense as trying to take GT at it's own game would be a very steep uphill battle, so I would think T10 would aim to do something similar, but try to focus on the areas which GT hasn't been to set themselves apart and give themselves a better chance.

Take for example the art style... GT does it so well and so cleanly that it would be pretty hard to match let alone one up... so T10 takes a different route and goes for a more colofrul, dynamic and lively look over GT's perfect, pristine and super clean look.

Look at the guard rails in GT, they are all perfectly straight and even, while in Forza they are deformed and lumpy, somewhat aged looking. Which is "better"?

It's like looking at old art, the japanese style with bold colors, solid lines and no perspective, and then you have european styles including pointilism and art neuvo.

If for instance there was a game already out there, and both were competing to make an exact duplicate of that game, we could argue which was closer, but in a lot of ways the forza vs gt continues to a be a matter of what's more important to you and thus "better".

That's how I see it anyway.

 

[Seismica]

I think an issue with constantly comparing the two is that despite how much they appear to be apples to apples, they are almost as much apples to oranges.

While they certainly share a lot in common, I think often people think of it as some sort of perfect model both of them are tryingt to hit exaclty on the button.

But in reality I think it's quite possible they are not even aiming at the same target so comparing the two falls apart... it makes sense as trying to take GT at it's own game would be a very steep uphill battle, so I would think T10 would aim to do something similar, but try to focus on the areas which GT hasn't been to set themselves apart and give themselves a better chance.

Take for example the art style... GT does it so well and so cleanly that it would be pretty hard to match let alone one up... so T10 takes a different route and goes for a more colofrul, dynamic and lively look over GT's perfect, pristine and super clean look.

Look at the guard rails in GT, they are all perfectly straight and even, while in Forza they are deformed and lumpy, somewhat aged looking. Which is "better"?

It's like looking at old art, the japanese style with bold colors, solid lines and no perspective, and then you have european styles including pointilism and art neuvo.

If for instance there was a game already out there, and both were competing to make an exact duplicate of that game, we could argue which was closer, but in a lot of ways the forza vs gt continues to a be a matter of what's more important to you and thus "better".

That's how I see it anyway.

+👍

 

[FyreandIce]

All Kaz has to do to beat Forza's livery editor is make the car skins exportable to a .tga file or something and its all over.

Updated list.

Advantage GT5
- 1080p [Not and advantage because FM3 does 1080P at 4xmsaa compared to GT5s 2x and don't bother with "but its upscaled because GT5 is aswell]
- Graphics (GT5P looks better) [opinion]
- more cars on track at once (2x that of FM3)
- Car Count (2x that of FM3)
- NASCAR license [FM3 has nascars and they can be painted to make any livery we want]
- WRC license
- Formula 1 car
- Rally racing
- Day/night racing [Not confirmed
- Weather[not confirmed]
- Gear change animations[don't even noticed the lack-there-of in the FM3 demo]
- car animations (moving spoilers)
- Animated pit crew
- Ability to look around cockpit [FM3 does the same]
- G25/27 support

Advantage Forza 3
- skid marks (maybe GT5 won't have it)
- tire deformation (maybe GT5 won't have it)
- Porsche License
- V8 Supercars
- Leaderboards
- Community
- Livery editor
- More diverse car selection
- Better trackside detail
- More Ferraris and Lamborghinis (Maybe)
- ACCURATE physics

Somewhat fixed according to my opinions.
Oh, must add
-Better sound
to the Forza list.

 

[Organ-Donor]

Somewhat fixed according to my opinions.
Oh, must add
-Better sound
to the Forza list.

I can agree to some extent, but that is a matter of opinion. More dramatic and loud doesn't mean more realistic. Forza tends to have louder and more exaggerated engine noises.

Here is a cool video that some guy made. He took video feed of his bumper cam on his car and replaced the audio with GT5 Prologue's car sound, and when you watch it, it sounds pretty damn realistic. The first time I watched it I thought it was the real life car audio until I read the info of the vid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fKxGXgGDsA

 

[cicohipe]

I can agree to some extent, but that is a matter of opinion. More dramatic and loud doesn't mean more realistic. Forza tends to have louder and more exaggerated engine noises.

Here is a cool video that some guy made. He took video feed of his bumper cam on his car and replaced the audio with GT5 Prologue's car sound, and when you watch it, it sounds pretty damn realistic. The first time I watched it I thought it was the real life car audio until I read the info of the vid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fKxGXgGDsA

That's really interesting. If i hadn't known that was dubbed over i don't think i would have picked up on it at all... 👍

 

[McLaren]

I can agree to some extent, but that is a matter of opinion. More dramatic and loud doesn't mean more realistic. Forza tends to have louder and more exaggerated engine noises.

Here is a cool video that some guy made. He took video feed of his bumper cam on his car and replaced the audio with GT5 Prologue's car sound, and when you watch it, it sounds pretty damn realistic. The first time I watched it I thought it was the real life car audio until I read the info of the vid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fKxGXgGDsA

That doesn't sound realistic at all. There's no wind noise, no road noise, no noise from any other car. Pretty easy to tell it's from anything but real life.

 

[Organ-Donor]

That doesn't sound realistic at all. There's no wind noise, no road noise, no noise from any other car. Pretty easy to tell it's from anything but real life.

No wind noise really? Better clean the wax out of your ears. When he starts picking up speed around :36 you can clearly hear wind. And how did I know you would say something negative?

 

[RedSuinit]

That doesn't sound realistic at all. There's no wind noise, no road noise, no noise from any other car. Pretty easy to tell it's from anything but real life.

I gotta admit McLaren I heard a lot of wind noise.

 

[El Drifto]

No wind noise?
That's funny.

 

[McLaren]

That's not even remotely realistic to wind noise.


GT has some great sounds, for once, but no way do they pass for the real thing 100%.

 

[cicohipe]

That's not even remotely realistic to wind noise.


GT has some great sounds, for once, but no way do they pass for the real thing 100%.

News flash. That is not the real thing either. It is a recording of the real thing. The microphone will be picking up alot of crackling and distortion due to the wind.

On a race track you are generally traveling at much higher speeds than on a public road which creates more wind noise.

 

[Organ-Donor]

That doesn't sound realistic at all. There's no wind noise, no road noise, no noise from any other car. Pretty easy to tell it's from anything but real life.

That's not even remotely realistic to wind noise.

GT has some great sounds, for once, but no way do they pass for the real thing 100%.

Thats because its a game, do you think people would enjoy hearing nothing but loud wind comming out of their speakers like someone is blowing into their ear with an air pump? Most of the time you will be traveling at very high speeds so you would hear nothing but wind, would that really be something you would want to hear anytime you went over 70mph, just wind screaming out of the speakers?? Its all about balance. And the point to my video was when watching a real video and hearing the Prologue audio clip dubbed it was hard to tell that it was a video game dubbing over the real sound.

 

[McLaren]

News flash. That is not the real thing either. It is a recording of the real thing. The microphone will be picking up alot of crackling and distortion due to the wind.

Point is, the video that you all think sounds real, is obviously not. If it was, the camera would pick up the wind noise just as it does on this camera.

I already agree GT has finally got better sounds, but that video is far from sound realistic just because of the GT engine sound. The same applies to any game.

Also why throw up a wrx on a race track? WRX's with exhausts have a very rough growl about their exhaust note and on a race track you are generally traveling at much higher speeds than on a public road which creates more wind noise.

Because we totally know how fast the RX-7 was going in the game, and then reapplied to a MX5....

Thats because its a game, do you think people would enjoy hearing nothing but loud wind comming out of their speakers like someone is blowing into their ear with an air pump? Most of the time you will be traveling at very high speeds so will hear nothing but wind. Its all about balance. And the point to my video was when watching a real video and hearing the Prologue audio clip dubbed it was hard to tell that it was a video game dubbing over the real sound.

And it shouldn't be because a real video would pick up those other noises. I watched that video and immediately thought, "If this was real, why isn't any other noise distorting the camera?"

 

[bjgil2]

All that video proves is that someone can place a microphone badly. That isn't wind noise caused by the car cutting through the air, its noise from air being directed straight into the microphone.

 

[Organ-Donor]

Point is, the video that you all think sounds real, is obviously not. If it was, the camera would pick up the wind noise just as it does on this camera.

I already agree GT has finally got better sounds, but that video is far from sound realistic just because of the GT engine sound. The same applies to any game.


Because we totally know how fast the RX-7 was going in the game, and then reapplied to a MX5....
And it shouldn't be because a real video would pick up those other noises. I watched that video and immediately thought, "If this was real, why isn't any other noise distorting the camera?"

Ok, my video was lacking the overwhelming sound of wind screaming out of the speakers, but it still has a presence of wind, just not overbearing and more subtle. You first stated there was NO wind sound which isn't true, it is just toned down alot to make it bareable while playing the game and driving over 70mph without your speakers blowing out. Without the overwhelming sound of wind, when watching the video it still sounds real to what you are seeing, that was my whole point.

 

[Organ-Donor]

Somewhat fixed according to my opinions.
Oh, must add
-Better sound
to the Forza list.

I can agree to some extent, but that is a matter of opinion. More dramatic and loud doesn't mean more realistic. Forza tends to have louder and more exaggerated engine noises.

Here is a cool video that some guy made. He took video feed of his bumper cam on his car and replaced the audio with GT5 Prologue's car sound, and when you watch it, it sounds pretty damn realistic minus the overwhelming sound of wind blasting through the speakers. The first time I watched it I thought it was the real life car audio until I read the info of the vid.


Edit: Fixed for McLaren

 

[McLaren]

Still hilarious, to me anyways, that people think that could pass as a real video, considering all the other noises the camera should pick up.

But, whatever floats others' boats.

 

[Bank]

Still hilarious, to me anyways, that people think that could pass as a real video, considering all the other noises the camera should pick up.

But, whatever floats others' boats.

Yeah well it's still a good video ^_^

 

[Organ-Donor]

Still hilarious, to me anyways, that people think that could pass as a real video, considering all the other noises the camera should pick up.

But, whatever floats others' boats.

And its halarious to me that since I have joined this site all the posts I have read comming from you in one way or another are negative towards GT or highlighting its flaws. Yes GT5 has flaws and I don't deny them, but you seem pretty keen on focusing on that aspect. You have a good ammount of posts on here so I'm not speaking for all your posts, and I'm not going to bother reading your post history, but I am just speaking for what I have noticed since I joined recently.

But whatever floats your boat.

 

[Bank]

(off topic???) Wow, some newish videos of Forza 3 I've never seen until some minutes ago!
It looks gorgeous (video-cartoon-Xbox-game style wise)! GT5 better look better than this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGoMHSLrdS0 <- Amalfi Coast (the 'pretty' one)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_G33fo06p4 <- Onboard, Lotus Esprit in New York
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdI1nsgviYo <- Onboard, Fujimi Kaido

Comparison got just a little bit harder. 👍
Sorry if this has already been posted. I checked a feel pages back.

 

[McLaren]

And its halarious to me that since I have joined this site all the posts I have read comming from you in one way or another are negative towards GT or highlighting its flaws. Yes GT5 has flaws and I don't deny them, but you seem pretty keen on focusing on that aspect. You have a good ammount of posts on here so I'm not speaking for all your posts, and I'm not going to bother reading your post history, but I am just speaking for what I have noticed since I joined recently.

But whatever floats your boat.

First off, it's hilarious, not halarious....

Secondly, it appears that way because all I see from this forum are people posting some of the most outlandish logic, or acting like GT has all these special advantages. Some of these folks even try to make up crap because they can't accept the reality of what GT will & won't feature. But, when people like you start posting these exaggerated claims about GT, I'm going to step in and call you out on it. I did it on the FM.net forums, and I'll do it here because I can actually accept the goals developers won't reach.

And nice attempt at trying to turn my word against me. Again.

 

[Organ-Donor]

(off topic???) Wow, some newish videos of Forza 3 I've never seen until some minutes ago!
It looks gorgeous (video-cartoon-Xbox-game style wise)! GT5 better look better than this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGoMHSLrdS0 <- Amalfi Coast (the 'pretty' one)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_G33fo06p4 <- Onboard, Lotus Esprit in New York
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdI1nsgviYo <- Onboard, Fujimi Kaido

Comparison got just a little bit harder. 👍
Sorry if this has already been posted. I checked a feel pages back.

Nice vids, looks good, Forza 3 has great looking scenery in it's own way. Car models and cockpit view, not so much. As far as GT5, from what I've seen in the TGS videos and screenshots, GT5's scenery is a big step up from Prologue's scenery. As far as GT5's car models, well they are beautiful and 100% accurate, nothing tops them.

 

[Organ-Donor]

First off, it's hilarious, not halarious....

Secondly, it appears that way because all I see from this forum are people posting some of the most outlandish logic, or acting like GT has all these special advantages. Some of these folks even try to make up crap because they can't accept the reality of what GT will & won't feature. But, when people like you start posting these exaggerated claims about GT, I'm going to step in and call you out on it. I did it on the FM.net forums, and I'll do it here because I can actually accept the goals developers won't reach.

And nice attempt at trying to turn my word against me. Again.

Lol at you correcting my grammar, like that has any bearing on the topic. And I'm glad that the main reason you post is to police people. Most people post because they enjoy and have an interest in Gran Turismo, not to mod peoples opinions whether they be true or false. And if all you see from this forum are "people posting outlandish logic or acting like GT has special advantages" why spend your time here? From what it sounds, you don't enjoy the GTPlanet community, you just like policing people. I will call you out on this, go through my post history and point out ONE SINGLE POST where I made an exaggerated claim about GT, false information, or showed any sort of biased remark regarding Gran Turismo. I hate when people are biased and blind to fact, and make ignorant claims or comments, but my purpose isn't to put everyone in their place. I come here because I enjoy Gran Turismo and talking to the community about Gran Turismo. You on the other hand just like to police people and defend your precious Forza. I am pretty unbiased when it comes to GT5 and Forza 3, I think they are both great games in their own right, and bring different qualities to the racing genre. But comeon this is a GT fan website, not 'defend Forza and moderate fanboys' site. Whatever makes you happy though.

 

[McLaren]

Lol at you correcting my grammar, like that has any bearing on the topic. And I'm glad that the main reason you post is to police people.

That's not why I post. I post because some of you need to see how silly your logic is.

Acting like rewinding it cheating, or that it's not realistic to save during the middle of a 24 hour race. People need to grow up & remember it's a game....

Most people post because they enjoy and have an interest in Gran Turismo, not to mod peoples opinions whether they be true or false. And if all you see from this forum are "people posting outlandish logic or acting like GT has special advantages" why spend your time here?

I have no problem with people posting their opinions. But if it's based upon bad logic, I'm going to show them where their reasoning holds no ground.

From what it sounds, you don't enjoy the GTPlanet community, you just like policing people.

Oh, I enjoy the GTP Community. I just can't stand the fanboys in this part of the forum who believe the way they play is correct, and think any other form is Forza-related.

You on the other hand just like to police people and defend your precious Forza.

I have no bias towards either game. I let both sides know when they're exaggerating or bashing the competition unfairly. You think I'm defending Forza? Ha, go to Forzacentral, and see how many damn times I defended GT, and was questioned for being a mod & not liking Forza.

I am pretty unbiased when it comes to GT5 and Forza 3, I think they are both great games in their own right, and bring different qualities to the racing genre. But comon this is a GT fan website, not 'defend Forza and moderate fanboys' site. Whatever makes you happy though.

Read above. I'm not moderating or defending anything. I'm calling out dumb logic & poor reasonings. Being a GT fansite doesn't mean I have to sit back & read Forza-hate or people posting GT rumors as fact, or act like 1 car suddenly makes GT better than any other racing game.

You want me to moderate, don't double post, then.

 

[Organ-Donor]

But, when people like you start posting these exaggerated claims about GT, I'm going to step in and call you out on it.

I will call you out on this, go through my post history and point out ONE SINGLE POST where I made an exaggerated claim about GT, false information, or showed any sort of biased remark regarding Gran Turismo.

..still waiting...

Funny how you left this part out of your above post.

 

[McLaren]

..still waiting...

You've made plenty of biased remarks, esp in the rewind* & other threads. But that'd make your day if I wasted time looking through more garbage.
Oh, and thanks for not replying to the rest of my post. More dribble I won't have to read.

*Because you'll probably never get it, go look through the rewind thread and your argument against rewind. Enough bias against Forza's rewind and that GT doesn't need it to feed a cow.
Anyways, I'm done here. I'm sure in a day or so, you or Earth will post some more out-there logic for GT.

Funny how you left this part out of your above post.

Irony is a funny thing.

 

[Organ-Donor]

You've made plenty of biased remarks, esp in the rewind & other threads. But that'd make your day if I wasted time looking through more garbage.

Biased remarks...no. My personal opinion of that feature....yes. Because I wouldnt want a feature that happened to be in Forza 3 means thats being biased? Start quoting me then where I make biased remarks. My opinon of rewind is still the same whether its a feature that is in Forza 3 or any other racing game for that matter, I think its a dumb feature and that is my personal opinon, and thats far from biased.

Oh, and thanks for not replying to the rest of my post. More dribble I won't have to read.

The rest of your post was pretty much you confirming what I already said: the reasons you post here are to moderate people or police people's false statements in one way or another. You say nothing about posting here for your enjoyment of the Gran Turismo series or bonding with the GTPlanet community. All of your reasons have to do with counteracting the fanboys that say false statements, biased opinons or flat out lies.

 

[McLaren]

Biased remarks...no. My personal opinion of that feature....yes. Because I wouldnt want a feature that happened to be in Forza 3 means thats being biased? Start quoting me then where I make biased remarks. My opinon of rewind is still the same whether its a feature that is in Forza 3 or any other racing game for that matter, I think its a dumb feature and that is my personal opinon, and thats far from biased.

Your reasons for why it was dumb are the biased parts.

The rest of your post was pretty much you confirming what I already said: the reasons you post here are to moderate people or police people's false statements in one way or another. You say nothing about posting here for your enjoyment of the Gran Turismo series or bonding with the GTPlanet community. All of your reasons have to do with counteracting the fanboys that say false statements, biased opinons or flat out lies.

Like you told another member, get your eyes checked. Throw in some literacy program why you're at it.

I'm not here to moderate anybody. But, that's a bit hypocritical, since I've already counted quite a few times, you trying to tell people to stop posting GT flaws & that we're not here to defend Forza. Sounds like you're trying to moderate other folks opinions there. Only thing worse is that you're calling other members trolls when they post their opinions. Yeah, you're no better than me, apparently.


And here's where your logic really falls on its face, as well. If I wasn't here to bond with GTP, then by god, what's all those things in my friend's list? And yes, I've spent 5 years here, all of them countering fanboys. I must be the ultimate troll to do have done so.

As I've said before, you & a lot of others have just god awful logic when it comes to trying to prove your points, points that are too easy for others & I to pick apart.