Photo GT5 prologue VS Forza 3 Demo

[McLaren]

I'm a fan, that's why I and many others here care.

You care what developers say instead of what the game will actually be? No wonder you cried when GT was released for March 2010.

An educated opinion, actually.

Educated is the furthest word. More like, arrogant GT fan who can talk, but can't back up his words.

 

[RedSuinit]

The two games are so hard to compare to one another, and all of this comparison stuff is really getting old. The two companies have two different goals and focuses, and target two different types of players. Whilst I am guilty of comparing the two games, I have realized now, the two should be left separate from one another.

 

[Mubble]

1. Actually, I believe it's a lot easier for me to buy FIFA and Pro Evo since I don't need to buy two consoles to play them both.

2. Turn 10 was the one who started it all. The reason being propaganda. By comparing themselves to GT, even knowing it's a fight they can't win, they are achieving free advertisement. Nowadays, in the american market, one cannot be mentioned without the other. Without Turn 10's bull****ery, Forza would need to rely on it's own strength to succeed. With it, Forza is a tick sucking on GT's success. All the endless Forza vs GT fights you see everywhere are just the result of questionable business methods. And this, my friends, make you and me pawns in Turn 10's little scheme to fill their pockets. Worse yet, that turns some of their own fans into little brainwashed advertising machines. That is if you are involved in those fights of course. In the end, it's not about doing it right, it's about doing it for the money. And this is the reason why I lost my respect for american developers a long time ago.

1. True, didn't think of it like that, but FIFA and Pro Evo are almost identical in what they offer (more so than GT and FM, which to me offer a different approach to the same subject) so can't see someone buying both footy games for the same console. Therefore, they're more in competition.

2. Fair point. It's just not something I personally am going to get involved in cos I don't see Forza as a threat or even in the same league. Plus it's not something I am going to consider buying, since I don't own an xbox.

 

[Dravonic]

And why do you care? Like I said, stop listening to developers. Of course, they're going to be bias.


That's just your opinion, thankfully, and not fact.

You have a strange line of reasoning. If you're a racing fan, you're definitely looking for good racing games, right? Forza is already a great game. If GT5 turns out to be even better than all the better to you, a racing fan, right? Than why is Earth thankfully wrong? Wouldn't you rather be saying you hope he's right? I don't get it. If all you care about are great racing games, you sure have a weird reasoning that I can't understand.

Unless...

Anyway I kinda agree with Earth in this matter.

Kazunori is a man with a view: creating the real driving simulator.
Greenwald is a man with a view: relying on another man's success to fill his pockets.

I think it's a no brainer who will come up with a better game.

 

[McLaren]

You have a strange line of reasoning. If you're a racing fan, you're definitely looking for good racing games, right? Forza is already a great game. If GT5 turns out to be even better than all the better to you, a racing fan, right? Than why is Earth thankfully wrong? Wouldn't you rather be saying you hope he's right? I don't get it. If all you care about are great racing games, you sure have a weird reasoning that I can't understand.

There's a difference between GT5 turning out to be a success and an ignorant person like Earth who constantly believes GT5 will make Forza look like a poor game.

 

[Earth]

You care what developers say instead of what the game will actually be? No wonder you cried when GT was released for March 2010.

Alot of people cried. Unlike you, not everyone has junk food (Forza 3) to keep them going until GT5.

Educated is the furthest word. More like, arrogant GT fan who can talk, but can't back up his words.

I've backed up everything, you've just dusted it off

 

[McLaren]

Alot of people cried. Unlike you, not everyone has junk food (Forza 3) to keep them going until GT5.

Junk food.

Showing your true fanboy. I'm not shocked.

I've backed up everything, you've just dusted it off

The only thing you've back up is how much of a tool you are.

Every time I ask or question your logic, you bring some irrelevant like terrorists. Maybe in due time, your brain will be able to keep itself on track.

 

[Tenacious D]

Yeah... I'm not really the biggest Forza fan in the world - I'm sure that's a news flash, eh? But even I wouldn't say Forza 3 is junk food. I do give GT5 the edge, because of the insightful post from Dravonic above, and I've said similar things. Though I must admit in moments of anger, I wasn't painting Dan Greenawalt in a very favorable light. But let's set that aside.

I see Gran Turismo as one of those family owned franchises which began the pizza craze with food so good and popular, it exploded into ever wider markets. Maybe every pizza wasn't something you would consider heavenly, but without a similar peer in the market, they set their own high standard.

I see Forza as a Pizza Hut pizza; made right mind you, it's delicious. But they're the guys who tried to take an Italian delicacy and mass market it. In some ways, not so good, but in others, just fantastic, as that's the problem with trying to make a product for a demographic.

So that sly old Italian, Kazunori, has gone all out in the face of some stiff if localized competition, and produced what he sees is the gourmet feast of pizzas. He has no doubt that whatever part of the planet you come from, you'll love his new recipe. And from what tidbits have come out, most people are growing ravenous to get one. I'm starting to sound like Amar with his first revelation this year...

But this is how I see them. A great pizza compared to a delicacy.

 

[McLaren]

Yeah... I'm not really the biggest Forza fan in the world - I'm sure that's a news flash, eh? But even I wouldn't say Forza 3 is junk food. I do give GT5 the edge, because of the insightful post from Dravonic above, and I've said similar things. Though I must admit in moments of anger, I wasn't painting Dan Greenawalt in a very favorable light. But let's set that aside.

I see Gran Turismo as one of those family owned franchises which began the pizza craze with food so good and popular, it exploded into ever wider markets. Maybe every pizza wasn't something you would consider heavenly, but without a similar peer in the market, they set their own high standard.

I see Forza as a Pizza Hut pizza, made right mind you, it's delicious. But they're the guys who tried to take an Italian delicacy and mass market it. In some ways, not so good, but in others, just fantastic, as that's the problem with trying to make a product for a demographic.

So that sly old Italian, Kazunori, has gone all out in the face of some stiff if localized competition, and produced what he sees is the gourmet feast of pizzas. He has no doubt that whatever part of the planet you come from, you'll love his new recipe. And from what tidbits have come out, most people are growing ravenous to get one. I'm starting to sound like Amar with his first revelation this year...

But this is how I see them. A great pizza compared to a delicacy.

That was best analogy I have ever read on here.

 

[aspect8]

I dont think it is any coincidence that most of the features of GT5 double FM3's, 16 cars on track to 8, 950 total cars to 400, 1080p (over 2,000,000 pixels) to 720p (921,000 pixels). A PD spokesman has said they want to 'raise the bar' when it comes to driving sims. They have their target, we know who it is.

I'm so glad Polyphony is moving on from people like you who just demand "MOAR BIG NUMBARS!" and looking at catching up with the rest of the world in terms of major features. By the way, 1280x1080p (gameplay resolution of GT5) = 1,382,400 pixels. If you're going to worship numbers, at least get them right.

 

[Devedander]

Yeah... I'm not really the biggest Forza fan in the world - I'm sure that's a news flash, eh? But even I wouldn't say Forza 3 is junk food. I do give GT5 the edge, because of the insightful post from Dravonic above, and I've said similar things. Though I must admit in moments of anger, I wasn't painting Dan Greenawalt in a very favorable light. But let's set that aside.

I see Gran Turismo as one of those family owned franchises which began the pizza craze with food so good and popular, it exploded into ever wider markets. Maybe every pizza wasn't something you would consider heavenly, but without a similar peer in the market, they set their own high standard.

I see Forza as a Pizza Hut pizza; made right mind you, it's delicious. But they're the guys who tried to take an Italian delicacy and mass market it. In some ways, not so good, but in others, just fantastic, as that's the problem with trying to make a product for a demographic.

So that sly old Italian, Kazunori, has gone all out in the face of some stiff if localized competition, and produced what he sees is the gourmet feast of pizzas. He has no doubt that whatever part of the planet you come from, you'll love his new recipe. And from what tidbits have come out, most people are growing ravenous to get one. I'm starting to sound like Amar with his first revelation this year...

But this is how I see them. A great pizza compared to a delicacy.

If we were to do the food comparison I would say GT is like the first, slow churmed, pure cream and sugar ice cream served on a delicate waffle cone with choclate lovingly drizzled over the top. A site to behold and beautiful in every way. Tastes great... but only comes in 3 flavors...

And Forza is like Coldstone. Lots of flavors, endless choices, mix and match whatever suits you today and do it all over again tomorrow and every day for months or years!

You still got your waffle cone, not quite as perfect and pretty, but still just as tasty and you get a ton of other toppings to boot! None of them quite up to "Grandma's home made" snuff but super delicious none the less.

Oh and Coldstone sounds better

 

[scandisk]

Yeah... I'm not really the biggest Forza fan in the world - I'm sure that's a news flash, eh? But even I wouldn't say Forza 3 is junk food. I do give GT5 the edge, because of the insightful post from Dravonic above, and I've said similar things. Though I must admit in moments of anger, I wasn't painting Dan Greenawalt in a very favorable light. But let's set that aside.

I see Gran Turismo as one of those family owned franchises which began the pizza craze with food so good and popular, it exploded into ever wider markets. Maybe every pizza wasn't something you would consider heavenly, but without a similar peer in the market, they set their own high standard.

I see Forza as a Pizza Hut pizza; made right mind you, it's delicious. But they're the guys who tried to take an Italian delicacy and mass market it. In some ways, not so good, but in others, just fantastic, as that's the problem with trying to make a product for a demographic.

So that sly old Italian, Kazunori, has gone all out in the face of some stiff if localized competition, and produced what he sees is the gourmet feast of pizzas. He has no doubt that whatever part of the planet you come from, you'll love his new recipe. And from what tidbits have come out, most people are growing ravenous to get one. I'm starting to sound like Amar with his first revelation this year...

But this is how I see them. A great pizza compared to a delicacy.

I wish we could add more toppings to their specialty pizzas.

livery editor cough* modify car parts cough*

 

[sumbrownkid]

If we were to do the food comparison I would say GT is like the first, slow churmed, pure cream and sugar ice cream served on a delicate waffle cone with choclate lovingly drizzled over the top. A site to behold and beautiful in every way. Tastes great... but only comes in 3 flavors...

And Forza is like Coldstone. Lots of flavors, endless choices, mix and match whatever suits you today and do it all over again tomorrow and every day for months or years!

You still got your waffle cone, not quite as perfect and pretty, but still just as tasty and you get a ton of other toppings to boot! None of them quite up to "Grandma's home made" snuff but super delicious none the less.

Oh and Coldstone sounds better

That is like, the best comparison I've ever read...you win this thread...

 

[sesselpupser]

As if I wasn't already hungry enough...


To bring the conversation back to Turn 10 and PD carrying sticks and speaking at various volumes, as far as I'm concerned, its down to the fact that the release dates are so far apart. I mean if Turn 10 said 'we've got the definitive racing sim of this generation' and then PD were like 'no, WE have, but you'll have to wait 3 or 4 months before we can show you' then it would be a bit like, er, what? So, they're not.

Anyway, Turn 10 can claim to have the biggest, best racing sim of this generation, because they do, obviously, in much the same way that before the PS3 came out the 360 was the most powerful console on the market. Just because something is true one day does not mean it will be true the next.

God that sounded poignant...

 

[Devedander]

As if I wasn't already hungry enough...


To bring the conversation back to Turn 10 and PD carrying sticks and speaking at various volumes, as far as I'm concerned, its down to the fact that the release dates are so far apart. I mean if Turn 10 said 'we've got the definitive racing sim of this generation' and then PD were like 'no, WE have, but you'll have to wait 3 or 4 months before we can show you' then it would be a bit like, er, what? So, they're not.

Anyway, Turn 10 can claim to have the biggest, best racing sim of this generation, because they do, obviously, in much the same way that before the PS3 came out the 360 was the most powerful console on the market. Just because something is true one day does not mean it will be true the next.

God that sounded poignant...

Yes, if you are the first person to have an orange horse, you have the fastest orange horse in the whole world

 

[RedSuinit]

If we were to do the food comparison I would say GT is like the first, slow churmed, pure cream and sugar ice cream served on a delicate waffle cone with choclate lovingly drizzled over the top. A site to behold and beautiful in every way. Tastes great... but only comes in 3 flavors...

And Forza is like Coldstone. Lots of flavors, endless choices, mix and match whatever suits you today and do it all over again tomorrow and every day for months or years!

You still got your waffle cone, not quite as perfect and pretty, but still just as tasty and you get a ton of other toppings to boot! None of them quite up to "Grandma's home made" snuff but super delicious none the less.

Oh and Coldstone sounds better

So your mountain of flavors, car selection? Or car costumability? <- Yes that's NOT a real word, but I don't care.

 

[aspect8]

Hopefully it also applies to all the different game modes Turn 10 have promised us. If it's anything like the Halo 3 hoppers they based it on, I'm looking forward to a lot of fun game types. Anyone remember Rocket Race or Pirates for Halo 3? Cat and Mouse could just be the beginning!

 

[Devedander]

So your mountain of flavors, car selection? Or car costumability? <- Yes that's NOT a real word, but I don't care.

Both? All? Who knows... maybe mixins are the selection and the toppings are the custumoability?

 

[RedSuinit]

Both? All? Who knows... maybe mixins are the selection and the toppings are the custumoability?

If it is car customization, I agree with you whole heartedly. If it is the pure spectrum of selectable cars in the game, I respectfully disagree. GT has many more flavors than Forza in that area.

 

[Devedander]

If it is car customization, I agree with you whole heartedly. If it is the pure spectrum of selectable cars in the game, I respectfully disagree. GT has many more flavors that Forza in that area.

Ummm maybe the mixins are the tuning options and the toppings are the paint jobs?

 

[RedSuinit]

Ummm maybe the mixins are the tuning options and the toppings are the paint jobs?

👍

 

[Devedander]

👍

Now I want some cake batter with brownie and fudge mixins

 

[RedSuinit]

Now I want some cake batter with brownie and fudge mixins

Praised be the almighty Wal-Mart! Open 24/7.

 

[El Drifto]

Wait...this isn't the food section of the forum, is it?

 

[aspect8]

This forum has a food section? If not, it needs one!

 

[Tenacious D]

That was best analogy I have ever read on here.

I have my moments.

I still prefer my analogy to another confectionery one. After playing the Forza 3 demo for several hours, finally getting dialed in again and beating it almost two weeks ago, the 360 is back under wraps. I went back to Prologue and GT4. I know some folk here are all about the Forza, or Ferrari Challenge or whatever, and that's fine. But that two year old "demo" of Prologue is still a lot more satisfying than the two year newer demo of Forza 3, and it looks better too.

No doubt, I'll love painting me up some race modded cars in F3, but the feel of those cars on the track, and those driver views... eh...

 

[haubi]

I borrowed an xbox 360 from a friend to try the forza demo and I gotta say it is a lot of fun, you just really need to get used to it. And the feel of the car does feel weird. It's hard work to spin the tires in a 460hp ferrari and that just feels wrong to me. Feels more like a 100hp car when trying to drift

 

[pricey2003]

I wonder what GTPlanet's very own 'Team Forza' would jump to next if a livery editor is confirmed? Damage is in so they cant dispute there. Rewind function has been laughed at. Graphics is definitely a place these guys don't want to go. Physics is a matter of opinion. Cars - x2 plus, Cars on track - x2. Sound is about the only other place bar livery that i know they have a good case for. There are probably more minor things i just cant think of but, whatever way you look at it, the 'ammo' is running lower and lower by the days.

 

[Lain]

I still prefer my analogy to another confectionery one.

Agreed. The whole ice cream thing was cute, but when it comes to analogies, it's probably best to keep them simple.

 

[ST-2]

I wonder what GTPlanet's very own 'Team Forza' would jump to next if a livery editor is confirmed? Damage is in so they cant dispute there. Rewind function has been laughed at. Graphics is definitely a place these guys don't want to go. Physics is a matter of opinion. Cars - x2 plus, Cars on track - x2. Sound is about the only other place bar livery that i know they have a good case for. There are probably more minor things i just cant think of but, whatever way you look at it, the 'ammo' is running lower and lower by the days.

To quote Armagedon: 'she'll just smile at ya and keep on comin' = GT5!