Photos from Iraq
- Thread starter rinard
- 489 comments
- 12,615 views
- 5,677
The argument primarily comes in when people present unsupported opinions and proceede to call people idiots when they themselves have no idea what they are talking about.
- 2,281
if this were the case then all the rogue nations (or oppressed masses depending on what political issue you want to pursue) may actually get to a discourse with a reasonable man rather than someone with a chip on his shoulder, a known arab and black hater, and with someone who wants to actively involve arbitration bodies that his country initially set up.
perhaps if another president were in power the UN may have been consulted and listened to as well as other countries around the world who have peace keeping and arbitration responsibilites rather than making it a one man war, so instead we had the breaching international laws for his own ends and his own interests...usually when the leader of other 'rogue' nations do this they are branded a war criminal...
one of the main reasons Spain pulled out is because this is Americas war, insitgated, directed and carried out without consultation and regard for the correct authorities...
many countries would have liked to help but simply werent given the chance because America 'took charge' and its a case of 'my way or the high way' and people dont like being treated like that...something America has yet to discover...
there is nothing wrong with belonging to a fundamentalist organisation...fundamentalism=terrorism? if you think that then the mis-information machine is working with well oiled wheels..
mile, why is there a gaping discrepancy in your views of America and Spain?
This is what i meant when i talked about people being biased...when Spain pulls out they are cowards, when America pulls out (which seems likely is this Kerry article gets in) its only the Kerry voters who are cowards...whats the deal?
- 5,677
He also said this
- 2,281
so what?
- 10,832
There is no discrepancy. You're splitting hairs over semantics. Obviously, in any country where the leaders are elected, there will be percentage of voters who voted for the losing candidate. So where's the discrepancy? Would it have made a big diference if I had said "the Spanish voters who elected Zapatero"? It goes without saying. The actions of the Spanish prime minister represent the country. You have no problem understanding that when it's Bush who's at issue. I have no problem understanding that in every country there are those who voted for somebody else and who are not represented by their leader. But they have to wait until the next election. That's democracy.
So again, where is the bias?
- 2,281
you cannot be unbiased despite your attempts to the contrary...its inherant in the American psyche and is implied in your words...
i am not saying that there is anything wrong with having a bias as such, you cannot help it....just dont deny it, thats all...
if i ask for an unbiased opinion its like throwing crap at a greasy pole...
- 2,281
stretching?...as in the fabric of reailty or as in your patience?
- 2,281
i never pretended to be anything other than what i am....thats the difference...thats why i pointed it out, because i raised the point earlier in the thread about americans treating the issues differently and here we have a classic example...
what does my point add to the discussion?, probably no more that your constant contradictions...
what does my point add to the discussion?, probably no more that your constant contradictions...
- 24,344
- Midlantic Area
- GTP_Duke
He's demonstrated why it's not a contradiction. Obviously not every single solitary person in Spain is individually to blame for the change of government and subsequent intention to withdraw. You're stretching to try to prove some point that you think invalidates milefile's argument.
Yet YOU have habitually and frequently said throughout this entire thread and in fact all over this board that Americans are arrogant, aggressive, stupid, etc. etc. etc. Americans. Not some Americans. All of us. Every single one.
Yet YOU have the arrogance, or stupidity, or the agression to attack him for an imagined "contradiction" in his post, trumping up a minor and incorrect example of the very behaviour which you have blatantly practiced.
I no longer hold even the smallest shred of respect for you, your opinions, your words, or anything about you, beyond what is owed by common courtesy. And even that is against my better judgement.
Go away and leave the thinking to people who are capable of it. And enjoy your life of blatant, ignorant hypocrisy.
Yet YOU have habitually and frequently said throughout this entire thread and in fact all over this board that Americans are arrogant, aggressive, stupid, etc. etc. etc. Americans. Not some Americans. All of us. Every single one.
Yet YOU have the arrogance, or stupidity, or the agression to attack him for an imagined "contradiction" in his post, trumping up a minor and incorrect example of the very behaviour which you have blatantly practiced.
I no longer hold even the smallest shred of respect for you, your opinions, your words, or anything about you, beyond what is owed by common courtesy. And even that is against my better judgement.
Go away and leave the thinking to people who are capable of it. And enjoy your life of blatant, ignorant hypocrisy.
- 2,281
duke..do you want me to leave gtplanet forums?
- 24,344
- Midlantic Area
- GTP_Duke
No, I didn't then and still don't - you have every right to be here and expressing your opinion is also your right. I would never try to remove a user for what they thought, unless they expressed it in a way that repeatedly violated the decency rules, which you don't. I apologize for not thinking my wording through and for the anger in my post above.
But I'm going to stay out of this thread from now on.
But I'm going to stay out of this thread from now on.
- 2,281
if i have offended anyone that deeply then i will stop visiting this forum....its just a bit of verbal sparring i dont mean to offend anyone...sorry if i did mile and duke..
i'll leave off the forums for a bit since i cant enter this weeks WRS anyway 'coz i aint got the poly02 ..
TS
i'll leave off the forums for a bit since i cant enter this weeks WRS anyway 'coz i aint got the poly02 ..
TS
- 24,344
- Midlantic Area
- GTP_Duke
It is mostly a bit of verbal sparring, but I do get offended by hypocrisy. It pushed my buttons quite a bit to hear you picking apart a small fault in his post when you have done the same thing to a much greater degree many times over.
But please understand that I do NOT want you to leave the forum, certainly not over a difference of opinion. I know I said that i would stay out of this thread but I feel it is important to make sure you understand I'm wasn't trying to chase you away. I apologize again for the harsh wording of my original post, though the original message still stands.
But please understand that I do NOT want you to leave the forum, certainly not over a difference of opinion. I know I said that i would stay out of this thread but I feel it is important to make sure you understand I'm wasn't trying to chase you away. I apologize again for the harsh wording of my original post, though the original message still stands.
- 1,008
Well obviously there is bias from both sides, but since Al Jazeera is based in Saudi Arabia (as far as I know) and is independant from both the Iraqi and American governments (I'm sure the army has some say in what the different networks show) I believe its the most accurate reporting service availible. It's ok if you want to be illogical and tell me otherwise.
///M-Spec
Staff Emeritus
- 4,928
So you believe the outlets like CNN, Reuters and AP are not capable of reporting news in an objective fashion, but Al Jazeera IS, even though you freely admit it too is a biased source? Sounds like what you define as 'accurate' simply means the reporting service that tells you only what you want to hear.
It is also okay if you want to be biased, but pretend to be objective.
M
- 24,344
- Midlantic Area
- GTP_Duke
If you think that any Muslim news agency based in any Muslim country is less biased than CNN, I think you are the kind of person who only thinks other people are biased.
I also think you have quite a lot to learn on the subject of logic.
- 185
has anyone realized that al jazzera tv supports the war against americans?
this is coming from someone that was over there for a year and a half!
this is coming from someone that was over there for a year and a half!
- 185
im sorry but if you have any support towards al jazeera, your a FUKING moron!
sorry moderators
- 185
first, kuwait for 31/2to 4 months also jumped into iraq,. then went into baghdad and patroled the streets for 10 months. In the army national gaurd Infantry. totall activation time was over a year and 4 months
- 1,271
First off, who has been to Iraq, and seen how the people live and how they act and react? hmmm... I have, and so has 5LRE.
First off, anyone saying AL Jezeera is a good news source, is either very ignorant, muslim, and/or anti-Western Civilization.
Now, NO news agency is perfectly objective. But some are more than others.
But what do you think sells better, pictures like the ones at the begining of the thread, or pictures of soldiers standing outside of schools and gas stations and hospitals.... i think pictures of guys on fire would get more attention, don't you?
And to say that because some innocents were hurt by American weapons is Horrific and obvious reason to be against us is well, pure ignorance. Would you like to hear the story of how i pulled about 48+ hours of guard duty in a Iraqi Gymnasium guarding squatters because two 500lb, BRITISH bombs were stuck in the destroyed building they were living in. Now, i'm not anti-brittish, but America is not the only one helping to rid the world of Terrorism and Tyrants. Would you like to hear how i spent 20 hrs in an Iraqi walk-in clinic, to protect it from a mob of upset Iraqis. Or how we walked to school after school finding out what they needed and how it was going, if they had problems or not.
How bout how the Army distributed electricity to more than just baghdad. before only baghdad had 24hr electricity. Bashrah got a lil of it.
Do you think we should have stopped the war against Hitler because innocent Germans were dying???
Iraq will not FALL, we may pull out. But they will not overcome the Coalition. And you people do not know how fickle they are. The people of Iraq are a mob that will go with what ever gets them fired up that day.
Maybe we should put Sadam back in power? Would that make you happy????
get educated.
First off, anyone saying AL Jezeera is a good news source, is either very ignorant, muslim, and/or anti-Western Civilization.
Now, NO news agency is perfectly objective. But some are more than others.
But what do you think sells better, pictures like the ones at the begining of the thread, or pictures of soldiers standing outside of schools and gas stations and hospitals.... i think pictures of guys on fire would get more attention, don't you?
And to say that because some innocents were hurt by American weapons is Horrific and obvious reason to be against us is well, pure ignorance. Would you like to hear the story of how i pulled about 48+ hours of guard duty in a Iraqi Gymnasium guarding squatters because two 500lb, BRITISH bombs were stuck in the destroyed building they were living in. Now, i'm not anti-brittish, but America is not the only one helping to rid the world of Terrorism and Tyrants. Would you like to hear how i spent 20 hrs in an Iraqi walk-in clinic, to protect it from a mob of upset Iraqis. Or how we walked to school after school finding out what they needed and how it was going, if they had problems or not.
How bout how the Army distributed electricity to more than just baghdad. before only baghdad had 24hr electricity. Bashrah got a lil of it.
Do you think we should have stopped the war against Hitler because innocent Germans were dying???
Iraq will not FALL, we may pull out. But they will not overcome the Coalition. And you people do not know how fickle they are. The people of Iraq are a mob that will go with what ever gets them fired up that day.
Maybe we should put Sadam back in power? Would that make you happy????
get educated.
