Pirelli Tire Testing Controversy (Split from 2013 Monaco Thread)

[Saidur_Ali]

He still thinks Horner was there to sway the judges and will manage to do so? If he's that good criminals around the world should start hiring him for their court appearances because apparently one chat over a cup of tea is all he needs to sway professional, impartial judges.

All what was needed to avoid this is money to Bernie and letter to FIA boss according to Niki Lauda: Link

Seems quite corrupt to me.

 

[R5]

I didn't say any of that, did I? Oh wait, I did, so shut it liar.

As I said, there is no proof. And you have previous for this sort of thing.

 

[Samus]

All what was needed to avoid this is money to Bernie and letter to FIA boss according to Niki Lauda: Link

Seems quite corrupt to me.

Which part of that has anything to do with the independent judges in tribunal being swayed by Horner?

Also those ar just Lauda's words, where is proof of it?

 

[Saidur_Ali]

Which part of that has anything to do with the independent judges in tribunal being swayed by Horner?

Also those ar just Lauda's words, where is proof of it?

I am just mentioning about avoiding the case and given that FIA are a governing body, it seems strange for Niki to suggest this was possible.

 

[JGreens]

1) That Christian Horner attended the hearing because he intended to use his position and his team's interest in a particular outcome to somehow sway the tribunal's decision.

and

2) That Christian Horner was the only team principal to attend because all of the other team principals knew that they would hear about the outcome of the tribunal one way or another, and so saw no need to attend.

So, take your tin foil hat off. It's blocking your ability to use common sense. There is no conspiracy.

I'm sticking with choice 1. If you're not directly involved, you're there to either defend/hide something or interfere something. I mean, let's see, Le Mans is oh, only 113 miles down the road and I'm sure Audi or Toyota or literally any team would want photo PR with him if he popped over. BUT, no, let's go, suit up and goto Paris for this tribunal. Hell, he could of drove around the 'Ring or spent some time with his missus on some Maldive island, but nope, let's get gatecrash instead.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

If you're not directly involved, you're there to either defend/hide something or interfere something.

I'm so glad you don't make any decisions that affect anyone on any level.

I mean, let's see, Le Mans is oh, only 113 miles down the road and I'm sure Audi or Toyota or literally any team would want photo PR with him if he popped over.

I see your characterisation of Christian Horner changes to fit your argument. One day, he's a pariah, someone nobody wants anything to do with. The next day, he's a superstar that Audi and Toyota will drop everything - even if it means compromising their Le Mans preparations - to meet.

but nope, let's get gatecrash instead.

It was hardly gatecrashing - Horner had every right to be there.

 

[R5]

I'm sticking with choice 1. If you're not directly involved, you're there to either defend/hide something or interfere something. I mean, let's see, Le Mans is oh, only 113 miles down the road and I'm sure Audi or Toyota or literally any team would want photo PR with him if he popped over. BUT, no, let's go, suit up and goto Paris for this tribunal. Hell, he could of drove around the 'Ring or spent some time with his missus on some Maldive island, but nope, let's get gatecrash instead.

I'm sorry… what? Why on earth would Horner attend Le Mans? And if you're a team boss; you would want to know the result first hand- anyone would. I know I'd visit even if I was team boss for Ferrari; it's a subject he's involved in, and wants to hear about.

It's also not gatecrashing…

 

[Samus]

I am just mentioning about avoiding the case and given that FIA are a governing body, it seems strange for Niki to suggest this was possible.

It does seem strange but I don't get why you quoted me since it has nothing to do with what I said, that being Greens still seems to think Horner could sway an independent tribunal.

 

[JGreens]

I see your characterisation of Christian Horner changes to fit your argument. One day, he's a pariah, someone nobody wants anything to do with. The next day, he's a superstar that Audi and Toyota will drop everything - even if it means compromising their Le Mans preparations - to meet.

Have I said that he's a pariah? Nope. Stop lying.
Horner's an OBE - that kind of recognition gets you places.

It was hardly gatecrashing - Horner had every right to be there.

How? He's not a member of Mercedes or Pirelli.

Why on earth would Horner attend Le Mans?

 

[R5]

Have I said that he's a pariah? Nope. Stop lying.
Horner's an OBE - that kind of recognition gets you places.

How? He's not a member of Mercedes or Pirelli.

You're making absolutely no sense. OBEs are honestly pretty worthless in Motorsport.

He's a member of an affected party; and the team who reported it.

I also want an actual answer to MY question. Why WOULD Horner be at Le Mans…?

 

[niky]

I am just mentioning about avoiding the case and given that FIA are a governing body, it seems strange for Niki to suggest this was possible.

An out of court settlement, announced this way, is not a "money under the table" deal, but more likely Mercedes paying any fines and serving any penalty decided upon by the FIA.

Which is a perfectly normal way for legal proceedings to proceed. Out of court settlements are accepted practice in most legal systems.

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But apparently Brawn is confident that the FIA don't have a leg to stand on, and wanted it to go to the tribunal.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

It does seem strange but I don't get why you quoted me since it has nothing to do with what I said, that being Greens still seems to think Horner could sway an independent tribunal.

The idea of swaying professionals seemed relevant enough to mention what Niki had said regarding stopping case going to independent tribunal.

An out of court settlement, announced this way, is not a "money under the table" deal, but more likely Mercedes paying any fines and serving any penalty decided upon by the FIA.

Which is a perfectly normal way for legal proceedings to proceed. Out of court settlements are accepted practice in most legal systems.

-

But apparently Brawn is confident that the FIA don't have a leg to stand on, and wanted it to go to the tribunal.

Why the talk of agreeing an out-of-court deal with Bernie then. Most likely see Niki claim he never said any of this though or try to backtrack from these comments.

 

[R5]

Off topic (sorry)


Have my previous posts been deleted?

 

[Samus]

The idea of swaying professionals seemed relevant enough to mention what Niki had said regarding stopping case going to independent tribunal.


Why the talk of agreeing an out-of-court deal with Bernie then. Most likely see Niki claim he never said any of this though or try to backtrack from these comments.

But as Niky says an out of court settlement would hardly be swaying/bribing, it would just be an out of court settlement like any other. It's not like it'd be done privately and backhanded, I think the rest of the paddock may want to know why the case went away.

The idea that Horner could take the judges to a quiet corridor and bribe/persuade them in some way is however ridiculous.

 

[Pezzarinho17]

Mercedes reprimanded and banned from young driver test. Pirelli have also been reprimanded.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/108180

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/22999260

 

[Hun200kmh]

Lightly handed. Mercedes is lucky the FIA needs Pirelli. That's all.

 

[SilverArrow]

So the FIA decided to only punish Sam Bird.

 

[MUSC4EVER]

That's a bit lenient isn't it?!

 

[JGreens]

What a waste of time.

 

[Pezzarinho17]

And potentially Hartley as well. They would have gained a lot more development data from the young driver test however than at this Pirelli test if they truly didn't use it for that purpose.

EDIT: Autosport have added that Daniel Juncadella would be more likely than Hartley to have taken part alongside Bird.

 

[Wardez]

Man, was holding my breath in the past half hour. Really glad they're not banned from the Constructor's.

Due diligence served well. Now we can put this behind us, well, some of us at least.

 

[Samus]

Mercedes will be very happy with that outcome I'm sure, they already said they'd forfeit the young driver test.

 

[PeterJB]

Is that it? That's naf.

 

[GOTMAXPOWER]

What a joke, justice has not been served today.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

But as Niky says an out of court settlement would hardly be swaying/bribing, it would just be an out of court settlement like any other. It's not like it'd be done privately and backhanded, I think the rest of the paddock may want to know why the case went away.

The idea that Horner could take the judges to a quiet corridor and bribe/persuade them in some way is however ridiculous.

Key thing is dealing with Bernie, he is part of FOM, not FIA.

I agree that Horner would not be able to bribe them.


Anyway with the verdict being now released, I wonder if Ferrari will get protested. It is a shame for people who take part in Young Drivers Test.

 

[JGreens]

(ii) in recognition of the fact that the testing would not have taken place but for the bona fide, but misconceived “qualified approval” which was
given on behalf of the FIA

Waste of time...

 

[R5]

Oh man, I can imagine lots of happy people.


Of course, this wouldn't be the case with RBR_R…

 

[DemurgicDemon]

Come to think of it I wouldn't have minded them being stripped of constructors points; I can't see them fighting for the title as their pace still fades on Sundays, even after that test. Quite frankly I just didn't want to see the Monaco victory stripped from Nico, and handed to Finger Boy! Perhaps their punishment is a tad soft, but an overly harsh punishment would have been even more damaging for the sport.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

What a waste of time.

Hang on, weren't you just complaining that Christian Horner was there to unfairly sway the judges into giving him a result that favoured Red Bull?

 

[Samus]

Hang on, weren't you just complaining that Christian Horner was there to unfairly sway the judges into giving him a result that favoured Red Bull?

I guess it's the same issue with his tyre compound changing rant, Christian just wasn't powerful enough to sway things.


Either that or his conspiracy theories are nonsense....