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SimonK
The funniest thing is it says in big text 'for developer use only' but does anyone really think Sony pass on information like this to developers on A4 pieces of paper? "Oh hey Steve run off some of those spec sheets will you, we need to stick it in the post to Konami, let them know what's going on. Oh, make sure you write 'for developer use only' on it though, wouldn't want it falling into the wrong hands".
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Not only in big text, but big bold bright red text. Just so there's no confusion.
 
You know what, I really hope full backwards compatibility is the way they go with this.

I also hope they leapfrog Microsoft, give us 1TB Hard Drives and a tidy amount of RAM.

Nothing too spectacular but improved graphics and data capacity would get me hungry for it.

The more gadgets and gimmicks they put in, the more likely it will be glitchy, slow and inefficient.
 
I think that document is totally fake, its already pretty much a given Sony will not be using the Cell and also all the language used in the entire thing suggests its a fanboy creation. 'Cell X', 'Quantum Leap', 'Aether' XD!!!!111 oh please! :lol: Plus if these names had been copyrighted and trademarked it would have been known to the public (like with all previous games hardware).

Also all the rest of the spec's are over exaggerated, even by 2013 launch standards. 20GB of RAM LMAO! The document would never say 'games must meet a minimum resolution etc' on a sheet like that.

There there is no way in hell it will play PS1 and PS2 games, its likely it won't even play PS3 games at this point. Whoever did this sheet is working off rumours that came out years ago and didn't make the slightest effort to make it current rumour believable.

The starting paragraph is the worst, they would never use language like 'conquer' in an internal document and it wouldn't be printed with a cheap ink jet printer!... and in colour :lol:
 
Yea that pic is just someone trolling.

But the rumors about there only being 1gb of ram is pretty disappointing. Have they not learned from this current gen. I'm really hoping for somewhere in the ballpark of 4gb.
 
I know 10GB seems ridiculous for RAM now but if they can get it for a great wholesale cost that should be in. 8 GB is the bare minimum. Developers constantly complain they don't have enough RAM to work with right now so why not go overboard? Who knows what breakthroughs will happen next? It needs to last nearly another decade... Other than that it's all over the top.
 
Legitimate or hoax? You guys can debate on it...


PS4 Specs Supposedly Leaked:

link: http://www.gameranx.com/updates/id/6936/article/ps4-specs-supposedly-leaked/

Smart bets, depending on who you ask, is that the above image is a fabrication, a fiction, something that someone with too much time on their hands have done between homework and bed time. Considering that it shows not only the specs for the PlayStation 4, but an absolute powerhouse of a console far beyond what people expect (or could justify the cost of in a console), perhaps they have a right to be cynical.

Claiming to fix "all major critiques" to the PS3, the PS4 would boast 20GBs of ram, a new cell processor @3.2 GHz and backwards compatibility across the whole PlayStation range of home consoles, the console envisioned by this design sheet IS far too good to be true. And despite it claiming to use a Nvidia GPU - Sony were apparently jumping to AMD - and the cost for a machine like this being above what a console gamer would be willing to pay, I could see something like this far surpassing the 10-year lifespan set in the descriptor.

There are other things that set alarm bells ringing and I'm sceptical that this is anything but a rather well designed fake, but, still, some people are no doubt going to grasp onto this as the standard that Sony should be setting themselves.
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It's such a bad fake I can't believe gaming sites are even picking up on it, must be a slow news day and they are after anything they can get pre E3.
 
Considering that Sony would not be going back to Cell, that fact alone is enough to invalidate this rumor.

However.

The fact that they are willing to offer 20 GB of RAM and full backwards compatibility is good news for a lot of developers and gamers because the ram will give it a lot of resources, and the BC will give the gamers a lot of flexibility in their catalog of games.
 
PS3's problem that it is too complex for it's own good considering how powerful it is? I know! Make it exponentially more complex. Instead of just, you know, replacing it with the more modern, more powerful and much simpler to understand successors to the architecture.
 
How would you feel if Sony would make PS4 upgradeable? I mean that you could pull out the GPU and buy an upgrade to ensure all games run at 60 fps. This would be available only after 3-4 years of launch date. Of course same games had to work on both systems with older and newer GPU but that 60 fps thing would be sweet even as graphics stay the same.
 
Raitziger
How would you feel if Sony would make PS4 upgradeable? I mean that you could pull out the GPU and buy an upgrade to ensure all games run at 60 fps. This would be available only after 3-4 years of launch date. Of course same games had to work on both systems with older and newer GPU but that 60 fps thing would be sweet even as graphics stay the same.
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I had the same idea earlier today, The GPU could be removed from the back like a HDD or PC graphics card..... After 4 years Sony released a new card.

Somewhat like the N64 expansion pak that came with donkey kong, anyone remember?

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Didnt have the expansion pak that gave you more ram, you didnt get to play DK.
 
Toronado
PS3's problem that it is too complex for it's own good considering how powerful it is? I know! Make it exponentially more complex. Instead of just, you know, replacing it with the more modern, more powerful and much simpler to understand successors to the architecture.
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You are over simplifying things. The problem with the PS3 is that with only 256 MB of RAM is nowhere near enough RAM to get any decent performance out of the console. If you have a 3.2 GHz eight core CPU, but only 256 MB of RAM, wouldn't that be a pretty rubbish console?

The beauty of going to completely new hardware is that you can give the Playstation a facelift in performance, without sacrificing costs. Here is an practical PS4:

- CPU based on the Intel Core i7 chip
- GPU based on the latest AMD chip (must keep the standard PS AV port for surround sound connections)
- Power supply on the outside of the system(ala the PS3 slim)
- USB 3.0 support with forwards compatibility for Dual Shock 3 controllers
- Full backwards compatibility to include PSN purchases
 
Raitziger
How would you feel if Sony would make PS4 upgradeable? I mean that you could pull out the GPU and buy an upgrade to ensure all games run at 60 fps. This would be available only after 3-4 years of launch date. Of course same games had to work on both systems with older and newer GPU but that 60 fps thing would be sweet even as graphics stay the same.
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If i want a Computer i buy One, but i want a console.
And i dont want to buy a New Hardware for Console, because the price would be far to High. Just look at the cheap PSVita cards. Lol.
Or the Xbox HDD prices in 2006-2008. 120gb for 120$/€. That's cheap.

"2016 PS4 GPU runs all Games with 60 FPS. Only 600$. If you buy a GPU with almost the Same specs for the Computer 70$."

No thanks.
 
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I think we have to be realistic when it comes to the RAM, I'm thinking 4GB+4GB if we are lucky. 2GB+2GB at a minimum but I suspect that might be what Sony go for. Also remember it will probably be blazing fast RAM (something like XDR2/GDDR5). When the PS3 launched XDR RAM was pretty impressive even by todays standards but they really should have put more of it in.

Raitziger
How would you feel if Sony would make PS4 upgradeable?
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I have always been for such an idea but history hasn't looked kindly on performance add ons for consoles (Sega 32X etc). In reality there will always be a bottleneck somewhere in the system and if its not been designed in a unified way it might not bring much improvement plus its Sony so will probably cost nearly as much as a new console!

Also I bet many people would be annoyed at being forced to upgrade the console to play new games supposedly half way through its life cycle.

EDIT, here are my realistic specs for the PS4...

2.9 Ghz Quad Core CPU based on AMD Fusion A8-3850 architecture
800 Mhz GPU based on AMD Radeon HD 7670 architecture + HD 6550D On-Board CPU Graphics in Crossfire
2GB XDR2 DRAM Main Memory + 2GB GDDR5 Video Memory
Blu-Ray BDXL Format 100GB Disks
500GB HDD
USB 3.0
 
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The only thing that I would believe from all this rumors is:
It will use an AMD x64 CPU (central processing unit) and AMD southern island gpu.
It will come up with 64-bit addressing .
It will have 3d and 1080p compatibility for great graphics experience.
 
Perhaps with PS4, Sony would offer two configurations: 1. online thin-client like OnLive and 2. traditional console with CPU, GPU, drive, etc. The thin-client would be cheaper (of course the downside is that you can't play offline). While the traditional console would be focused to enthusiasts who want real hardware. Hmmm...
 
I can't help but feel really eager to find out what they're cooking up. I just hope it's an absolute monster and surprises all.
 
Those specs are a 12 year olds wet dream, also they missed SACD Sony would still support the now defunked audio format, also DVD-A and BD-A formats were missed. 11.1 surround sound won't make it in, most people will never have access to that let alone 7.1 so why would Sony spend money on the hardware when very few select buyers can use it.

Sony have also show an aversion to backwards compatability unless digital download. Sony need to cut the cost of the console but offer enough power to keep devs and customers happy, so off the shelf components will be the order of the day, but I would bet they will be holding back till graphics chips and processors are just new but enough time to buy in bulk and slap into a console.
 
Thats a sexy mock up but having the disc tray at an angle like that would be a terrible idea.
 
Robin.
I have always been for such an idea but history hasn't looked kindly on performance add ons for consoles (Sega 32X etc). In reality there will always be a bottleneck somewhere in the system and if its not been designed in a unified way it might not bring much improvement plus its Sony so will probably cost nearly as much as a new console!

Also I bet many people would be annoyed at being forced to upgrade the console to play new games supposedly half way through its life cycle.
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Yeah, but that isn't really the same thing. The 32X was essentially a new system and needed new games. The idea is for a voluntary upgrade that would make games run better. No games would require it; they just would be limited to 30fps while the upgrade would get you 60fps.

I think a model with no hard drive would be a good option. Assuming they don't go the route of proprietary drives (please don't, Sony), it would be nice to buy a cheaper one without a drive and install a SSD. Even for people who would get a traditional drive, the need for space varies from person to person, depending on how many games you have installed and whether or not you load it up with media.
 
A no harddrive option would be a step back. Also in this digital age its better to have and not need than need and not have. Reduces the number of SKU's and They would want to provide a decent amount and let those who need 500GB upgrade to it, than giving everyone nothing or 60GB's(mircosoft). It affects the system design and games too.
 
A no hard drive model would be unfeasible with modern game design. Sony would just have to load it up with some sort of flash memory, and at that point they would be spending so much that they might as well put a HDD in it anyway.


Sanji Himura
You are over simplifying things. The problem with the PS3 is that with only 256 MB of RAM is nowhere near enough RAM to get any decent performance out of the console. If you have a 3.2 GHz eight core CPU, but only 256 MB of RAM, wouldn't that be a pretty rubbish console?
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There are more problems with the PS3 than the system RAM bottleneck, and continuing along with the CELL architecture but adding (in layman's terms) 138 processor cores on top of the 8 already there to increase power won't make any go them go away no matter how much RAM you throw at it.
 
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Robin.
I think we have to be realistic when it comes to the RAM, I'm thinking 4GB+4GB if we are lucky. 2GB+2GB at a minimum but I suspect that might be what Sony go for. Also remember it will probably be blazing fast RAM (something like XDR2/GDDR5). When the PS3 launched XDR RAM was pretty impressive even by todays standards but they really should have put more of it in.



I have always been for such an idea but history hasn't looked kindly on performance add ons for consoles (Sega 32X etc). In reality there will always be a bottleneck somewhere in the system and if its not been designed in a unified way it might not bring much improvement plus its Sony so will probably cost nearly as much as a new console!

Also I bet many people would be annoyed at being forced to upgrade the console to play new games supposedly half way through its life cycle.

EDIT, here are my realistic specs for the PS4...

2.9 Ghz Quad Core CPU based on AMD Fusion A8-3850 architecture
800 Mhz GPU based on AMD Radeon HD 7670 architecture + HD 6550D On-Board CPU Graphics in Crossfire
2GB XDR2 DRAM Main Memory + 2GB GDDR5 Video Memory
Blu-Ray BDXL Format 100GB Disks
500GB HDD
USB 3.0
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Maybe a 32gb SSD for faster boot up?
 

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