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Robin
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As I said I'm all for such a thing but even the N64 Expansion Pack which is more similar to what your proposing wasn't that popular. Whenever a console is upgraded in some way it never seems to end well, people prefer to get a totally new piece of kit for some reason. Plus scalable console games means more development hassle so they will cost more and take longer to make.
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I would disagree, one of the biggest plus points for the PS3 was the fact every model had a guaranteed hard drive and this was a major problem for the 360 which didn't. All games coded for the 360 even to this day have to assume there is no HDD on board and have work without one.
In the long term that has severely limited the development potential and the games played without an install (especially when you only have DVD disks) look terrible. Also you have to remember a stock HDD is one of the cheapest components to go into a console because its not one which has to be engineered from scratch.
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They won't be putting in SDD's in consoles any time soon unless its some kind of hybrid setup like those normal HDD's with a flash buffer. SDD prices have actually taken the longest to come down in price compared to many other technologies in the past and analysts say it won't be coming down any time soon. Also as tests have proven they don't give all that much of a performance boost in consoles at all.
Working to my guess specs I would say a $500-$600 unit cost for a $300-$400 initial retail. Sony will not be doing a crazy $840 job ever again and they certainly can't afford to.
Robin.
Well, whatever they do, they should let us install entire games on the system (which we should be able to do if they're going to track them). Or if you download them, obviously they'll be on the drive. I think having the entire game on there will make SSDs more appealing, since it won't have to wait for anything on the optical drive.
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We all universally agree that there is problems with the Cell architecture. We also universally agree that that the root cause of multi console games selling well on the 360 because of their decision of going with the AMD chips for a GPU, unlike Sony who went with Nvidia GPU.
So I see the PS3 as a flawed console fundamentally.
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But those were pre recession launch prices. $500 in 2005 OK, $500 in 2013 when no one has any money.... very dangerous! As it was people felt the PS3 was way too expensive and that was in 2006.
I've wanted full game installs on the PS3 from day one, such a great 360 feature. All this nonsense about Blu Ray games are too big to be practical for HDD's is irrelevant now. I hope Sony do implement it next time with a quick disk check for copy protection.
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what? i had to check the date of this post to make sure it wasn't 3-4 years old. hhahahahaha
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Lol. I laugh every time someone says that as well.
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The playstation will allow used games there was a discusion about this on Gametrailers talking specifically about sony at E 3 and one of the comentators talked with the head guy at Sony( Kaz) about used games and the guy said he thinks the used market is a great thing to have. I think all the used game stuff is much ado about nothing
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Robin.
I agree.
Many ISP's in America are now switching to accounts with limited bandwidths. I have 250 GB at my current address (thank god I am moving in 2 months) and I have surpassed this twice.
Doing only digital downloads does not seem feasible with this trend.
Like you said if one console allows used games and the other one doesn't that is a huge determining factor for consumers.
IF either console goes this route I predict a rise in rooted consoles and pirated games. You DON'T piss off gamers.
Well, I didn't say the PS4 will be download only. I believe we'll have the option of downloading games or buying discs, like with the Vita. They're doing this now with the PS3, but only certain games are available online. With the PS4, they will allow any game to be downloaded if you choose, but of course you'll still have the option of buying a disc.
I was referring to the rumor that they may stop used game sales by requiring retail games (yes, on discs) to be activated and tied to your account. For instance, if you buy a major PC game on a disc today, chances are good that it will require activation through Steam or something else. I was saying that if they were to require activation, then we should be able to install the entire game to the HDD and not have to get the disc out.
But, I hope it doesn't come to that.
I was referring to the rumor that they may stop used game sales by requiring retail games (yes, on discs) to be activated and tied to your account. For instance, if you buy a major PC game on a disc today, chances are good that it will require activation through Steam or something else. I was saying that if they were to require activation, then we should be able to install the entire game to the HDD and not have to get the disc out.
But, I hope it doesn't come to that.
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what are you doing that you DL 250gb a month? i'm all for unlimited data, but with a family of 3 using facebook, netflix, hulu, and gaming on PC, xbox, and PS3, we don't come anywhere near that.
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Well thankfully almost all of Western Canada gets unlimited bandwidth but I do see why this would be an issue for those with data caps. Basically everybody with one would be going with the console that still is disc based. Eventually I'm sure a lot of games will be sold digitally but you also have to remember doing so would eliminate a lot of jobs.
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I know that lots of rural people are stuck with dial up or cellular data sticks. Even though it wouldn't affect everyone I'd still be pissed if I had to carry my entire console to my buddy's house or the library just to get a new game. I think that anyone who decides to sell a system like that would be shooting their whole company in the leg.
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More rumours -
PlayStation 4 due in 2013 - Report (Gamespot):
link:http://www.gamespot.com/news/playstation-4-due-in-2013-report-6379049
Sony definitely needs to be tight-lipped about their next gen console, since it's creating more hype!
Though I doubt that they will show their next gen console at next months E3!! If they do then it should be just a teaser trailer for the upcoming..........
PlayStation 4 due in 2013 - Report (Gamespot):
link:http://www.gamespot.com/news/playstation-4-due-in-2013-report-6379049
Sony definitely needs to be tight-lipped about their next gen console, since it's creating more hype!
Though I doubt that they will show their next gen console at next months E3!! If they do then it should be just a teaser trailer for the upcoming..........
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Yes I read the full article on the Wall Street Journal. An interesting read. Online only consle gaming wont work until 99% of people have access to internet connections that can download huge datasets quickly. I for one dont want to spend 2 days downloading something that not only do I not own but also use my own bandwith and download limit.
iPhone and iPad type stores work because the games are small-ish and I know Steam is very popular but compared to people buying physical media must be small still. If I could have a 100mb + connection with no limit then I would but at this moment in time it isnt hapening, plus I would like the opertunity to have physical copies of the games too, I dont want to have to download 100gb woth of data if the consoe I have bought gets a RROD and YLOD.
iPhone and iPad type stores work because the games are small-ish and I know Steam is very popular but compared to people buying physical media must be small still. If I could have a 100mb + connection with no limit then I would but at this moment in time it isnt hapening, plus I would like the opertunity to have physical copies of the games too, I dont want to have to download 100gb woth of data if the consoe I have bought gets a RROD and YLOD.
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It's a total joke that Sony would have even considered such a sales model after the PSP Go. Most of the UK for example still have under 8mbps broadband connections and most have usage caps of around 40GB per month.
Also Sony should explain how we are going to download 100GB+ games to a console which is not likely to ship with 3TB hard drives! So I guess they will say you can only put 3-5 games on your new console and that's it!
Add to that a non competitive RRP pricing model and it sounds like a winner
Also Sony should explain how we are going to download 100GB+ games to a console which is not likely to ship with 3TB hard drives! So I guess they will say you can only put 3-5 games on your new console and that's it!
Add to that a non competitive RRP pricing model and it sounds like a winner
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Overpriced memory cards is the answer Robin.
We'll get the option to download games or buy discs. The PSPGo's biggest problem was that it wouldn't play the existing UMDs, and that was very bad for someone who had already bought games. So it really was only intended for new users, and the PSP was more than 4 years old at that point. It was also too expensive, and it didn't help that sometimes a new game wouldn't be made available to download (like Square's boneheaded decision to make Kingdom Hearts: BBS disc-only).
Even the people that think that cloud gaming is the future will tell you that you can't completely switch overnight. You have to offer both and then see what sells. This is how it's been with music and movies, and even with the success of music downloads, CDs aren't dead yet.
I doubt the games will be anywhere near 100GB though. Other than outliers like MGS, they're not even using a full single-layer disc yet.
Even the people that think that cloud gaming is the future will tell you that you can't completely switch overnight. You have to offer both and then see what sells. This is how it's been with music and movies, and even with the success of music downloads, CDs aren't dead yet.
I doubt the games will be anywhere near 100GB though. Other than outliers like MGS, they're not even using a full single-layer disc yet.
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I'm sure Sqaure will be able to deliver as they always seem to make hardware shine. The new Engine luminous studio engine is developed for possible next gen hardware specs and is running reatime on there, but I would love to see what rig is running it as if this runs realtime then some of the games shown to be running on PC are a little redundant as this is very close to CGI renders. I Hope they do pull it off because if they do then next gen will be great.
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How the 🤬 do you download 250gb a month?! The broadband here is limited to 10gb and I barely surpass that...
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I have a limit of 150 and I nail about 80GB per month as an average, sometimes if its a busy month of media events like this month then it will be higher. As I dont watch live TV and watch allot of catchup and also allot of other media too, like on my Apple TV I watch the Wallstreet Journal Live and the last weeks archived snipits all the time especially on a Friday morning.
@ Ddrizle it seems we GTP love Square and thier new Tech Demo
it does look incredible, hence why im scepticle of what it will look like once we have finalized hardware, but if ND can pull off what they have with this Gens hardware then it might be possible. I just keep seeing the Killzone CGI trailer and i get a shiver of wanting to beleive and backing off from been let down.Konami have a very interesting Fox Engine in the works too and the lighting modle looks incredible and quite real, this was supposed to be running on next gen hardware too. Im not sure if Sony have even issued anything close to final Dev Kits yet, as I heard they have given companies and idea what to work towards in terms of PC hardware specs but nothing concrete.
Fox Engine Rumoured for PS4 hardware
this next image has a screenshot of the real room against the CG room.
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