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[Conza]

Sony Playstation Omni, it'll probably be their dreamcast, wish that company had a single competent influential executive.

 

[thelvynau]

Omni? Sounds like a stupid name that Nintendo would come up with to me...

Lets call it the Playstation motoraza?

 

[Sanji Himura]

Another interesting rumour.

"Sony is near the middle end part of their Project Orbis, their next generation PS4. It will not be called Playstation 4, teams have started to call the final name as Omni. Omni will reflect their new hardware and content delivery philosophy. Omni will be “very capable” of doing modern day graphics compared to a Direct X 11 level of technology like Unreal Engine 4 and Frostbite 2. Compared to Wii U, it is better, but not the biggest leap in the world according to developer friends of mine. The key is the Omniviewer, a thin, lite and slick head mounted autostereoscopic display that can track the users head and present a 360 image view with semi transparent AMOLED screens. This can turn any TV into a 3D TV, as well as add extra augmented reality information outside of the TV screen.

One application from an entertainment perspective is seeing movies in 2k, 4k or IMAX resolutions as their original size where you have to move your head to look at the full picture being displayed. The tech can also synch with the Vita. The new controllers whether it’s the Duo-Moves or the Classic DuoShock will have pulse sensors in the grips for biofeedback gameplay. Plans are a Basic Unit with 160 gigs and just the system with controller at $350-$399, and one with the Omniviewer bundled with a game for $450-$499. Aims are for a September 2013 launch.

Omni is also part of their philosophy with the new OmniCloud, the new version of Gakai. This service will not only cloud stream PS1, PS2 and select PS3 games to Playstation Certified devices, but will also allow every digital and retail purchase to have access to a copy on the cloud. Basically, you buy one game, you can use it on any Plyastation device. Direct hardware Backwards Compatibility will be available by a $70 – $99 dongle that is plugged into the Omni that contains a PS3 on a chip with Cell to run games.

Known first party games in development for Playstation Omni are: Next Gen Uncharted, Next Gen Siren, The Boydguard, Wipeout Omni, Bump In the Night, Killzone 4, Gran Turismo Prologue, Next Gen Media Molecule, Omni Fitness."

Interesting advancements if proven true. Though Omni is stupid. Everyone will call it a PS4 anyways.

 

[Suzumiya]

WipEout Omni?..
Didn't Liverpool Studios shut down?

 

[TheDabbinDave]

Whoever is choosing these name (Vita & Omni) for a video game system, is the same sort of dolt who would paint a weightlifting gym purple, pink, and light blue.

Dumb. Dumb. Dumb.

 

[Youngun]

I liked orbis but that rumor sounds good, and no matter what, ill be getting the full pack (but no dongle as i have the ps3 so no point). Thought "Orbis Vita" ment Life Cycle in Latin??
September 13, right after e3! But isn't Nxtbox Durango going augmented reality route too??

 

[sesselpupser]

They reckon there will be a dongle containing a PS3's hardware... What on earth are these people smoking? Also, having read the rest of that rumour I have come to the conclusion that it's all bullmess.

New rumours: The PS4 contains several scented aerosol cans and will fill the room with smells according to the on-screen action. This will also make any TV capable of displaying 3D images and all stereo speaker setups capable of DTS 9.1. The controllers can sense when you're hungry and will automatically order pizza and charge it to your PSN wallet. They can also sense when you're scared, the console will then mix subliminal images of puppies into your scary game to calm you down. The more scared, the more puppy.

 

[motoraza]

Lets call it the Playstation motoraza?

Let's not, I've gone off my username xD

 

[Tornado]

Here you can see that content delivery philosophy in action. That roof rack has to be rated for at least 50 pounds, and that's a lot of games. Put that much weight on a Wii U and it wouldn't even move.

 

[Ddrizle]

This could perhaps be nothing/something related to Orbis/Omni, we'll see.

Rumor: Sony Files Patent For Dynamic Content Switching Between Architecturally Distinct GPUs

Here’s the official description of the patent:*”Graphics processing in a computer graphics apparatus having architecturally dissimilar first and second graphics processing units (GPU) is disclosed. Graphics input is produced in a format having an architecture-neutral display list. One or more instructions in the architecture neutral display list are translated into GPU instructions in an architecture specific format for an active GPU of the first and second GPU.”

This indicates that Sony could go with a high powered GPU and a mobile GPU as it was rumoured earlier.

Source

 

[sumbrownkid]

Looks like they want cross play of titles between all platforms.

Brings their mobile phone business more into Playstation brand fold.

 

[LaBounti]

Looks like they want cross play of titles between all platforms.

Brings their mobile phone business more into Playstation brand fold.

It may not and most likely doesn't mean that at all. Mobile GPUs exist outside of smartphones. My Laptop has a mobile GPU embedded into the 4 core SoC. PS4 could have both on Chip GPU and dedicated GPU in the same architecture.

 

[Robin]

An SOC GPU could prove to be a great feature because it will allow the console to have extra grunt maybe to handle a 3D heavy OS perhaps... I do hope though that they don't skimp on the RAM this time, using cheaper off the shelf parts should allow them more money to get better 'amounts' onboard.

As for Omni, thats a stupid name just like Vita and Move... they really need to and get away from names and back to numbers and letters (just like when Sony Ericsson went down stupid street with all their smartphone names before they shut shop).

 

[LaBounti]

If they spent $1Billion on ram last time expect them to spend $1Billion on ram this time... With inflation is actually less than what they spent for PS3. But they will get the most out what they spend. I don't see them spending more than they have to on PS4 this time around.

 

[Spagetti69]

I'm not sure what to make of this. No indication its next gen related either.
Apparently Sony want to make the use of physical media a one stop deal by tying its use to your account.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-01-03-sony-patents-tech-to-block-use-of-second-hand-games

 

[bzking23]

I'm not sure what to make of this. No indication its next gen related either.
Apparently Sony want to make the use of physical media a one stop deal by tying its use to your account.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-01-03-sony-patents-tech-to-block-use-of-second-hand-games

Wait. So does that mean i cannot play another friends game from my console?

I highly doubt something like this will ever show up for the next gen PS or any console for that matter, but if it does

 

[Ddrizle]

I read back in Sept. that one or both or these systems are months behind schedule. So who knows if any of these systems will make it out in 2013.....we'll see.

Here's the delay rumor....

PS4 and Xbox 720 could be delayed

The upcoming next-generation systems, the PS4 and Xbox 720, could be pushed back from their expected launch date. According to a report today from the SemiAccurate forums, AMD has postponed the production of the Amkor GPU / CPU 28nm Si Interposer + DDR + Logic chip from late 2013 to the middle of 2014. As a result, the console that uses that particular processor will also suffer a delay.

The Amkor GPU / CPU 28nm Si Interposer + DDR + Logic chip is rumored to be used by both the PS4 and Xbox 720. SemiAccurate suggests that the Microsoft is using the processor for their console, although Sony could also be utilizing it for the PS4. Many reports have previously revealed that Sony and Microsoft are planning to release their next-generation systems sometime in 2013.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

One thing I do hope is if Sony do go down the AMD route, they try and get something based on "Volcanic Islands" regarding GPU. I can see why they will want to go down that route more now, if they can get high levels of integration, cost price of console and size of it could be reduced too. If they also have a second low power discrete GPU, it could also be used for recording in-game footage too on the fly and compressed at same time and will give other possibilities regarding power consumption and features.

Wait. So does that mean i cannot play another friends game from my console?

I highly doubt something like this will ever show up for the next gen PS or any console for that matter, but if it does

It is following current download system so I don't think it is beyond the realms of possibility. They might add some flexibility.

 

[Tornado]

I'm not sure what to make of this. No indication its next gen related either.
Apparently Sony want to make the use of physical media a one stop deal by tying its use to your account.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-01-03-sony-patents-tech-to-block-use-of-second-hand-games

Don't think you need to worry too much about it. It's already probably illegal as hell in America and the EU to force that sort of thing on consumers (which... well, it probably wouldn't be in Japan), and if Sony announced it would be implemented it probably would be made to be illegal if it wasn't.


They might have even patented it so other companies couldn't do it.

 

[Spagetti69]

Don't think you need to worry too much about it. It's already probably illegal as hell in America and the EU (which... well, it probably wouldn't be in Japan), and if Sony announced it would be implemented it probably would be made to be illegal if it wasn't.

They might have even patented it so other companies couldn't do it.

To be frank I couldn't see one company doing it without the other. I don't suppose it's beyond the realms of possibility that a behind the scenes agreement could be made.

It would be a massive shift in consumer habits to bring this in.

Every Wii U already has this NFC (near field communication) built in.

 

[HKS racer]

They reckon there will be a dongle containing a PS3's hardware... What on earth are these people smoking? Also, having read the rest of that rumour I have come to the conclusion that it's all bullmess.

New rumours: The PS4 contains several scented aerosol cans and will fill the room with smells according to the on-screen action. This will also make any TV capable of displaying 3D images and all stereo speaker setups capable of DTS 9.1. The controllers can sense when you're hungry and will automatically order pizza and charge it to your PSN wallet. They can also sense when you're scared, the console will then mix subliminal images of puppies into your scary game to calm you down. The more scared, the more puppy.

LOL I want a +1 function on gtplanet so bad!

 

[TokoTurismo]

As for Omni, thats a stupid name

I wouldn't call "Omni" a stupid name if I were you... Didn't you atleast find its meaning before flaming it?

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/omni-

The meaning for Omni means "All or everything", which is good and better imo. The name for the Xbox 720 however... "Chuckles".

 

[Earth]

I really blame the people who pay $2-$5 less to get a $60 game used.

As it stands, I dont care about used games as they are super overpriced and make greedy Gamestop rich instead of the publishers and developers. Dont they offer like 10 bucks if you want to sell a brand new $60 game that was just released?

PC hasnt had used games since...ever. I've never had a problem with it. Doesnt bother me either way.

 

[Tornado]

The world of used games exists beyond Gamestop.

I wouldn't call "Omni" a stupid name if I were you... Didn't you atleast find its meaning before flaming it?

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/omni-

The meaning for Omni means "All or everything", which is good and better imo. The name for the Xbox 720 however... "Chuckles".

It means a crappy Dodge that was sold in the 1980s (or a fictional company from the 1980s), just like the name for the 720 will mean a Dodge that is on sale now. What it "really" means is irrelevant to whether it is a stupid name or not, because people will associate it with what comes to mind firsthand rather than the pretentious-sounding explanation Sony will give if it does come name liked that.

 

[TheDabbinDave]

I'm not sure what to make of this. No indication its next gen related either.
Apparently Sony want to make the use of physical media a one stop deal by tying its use to your account.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-01-03-sony-patents-tech-to-block-use-of-second-hand-games

Well, they better demand higher quality from developers or the industry will crash. Second hand stores are full of annual humdrum shooters, sports cash-cows and games that suck that cannot be returned for a refund because, well, THEY SUCK.

SONY is seriously biting the hand that feeds it.

 

[Waheed]

So if I buy a new PS I'd have to buy a second copy of the same game? many people own 2 consoles. I don't believe it

 

[Samus]

Weren't Microsoft also rumoured to be doing this at some point? I doubt it'll happen, just like the rumours the next MS console would be all digital. It might be a nice idea from the people at the top but they know consumers wouldn't take it.

 

[Musolini187]

I really blame the people who pay $2-$5 less to get a $60 game used.

As it stands, I dont care about used games as they are super overpriced and make greedy Gamestop rich instead of the publishers and developers. Dont they offer like 10 bucks if you want to sell a brand new $60 game that was just released?

PC hasnt had used games since...ever. I've never had a problem with it. Doesnt bother me either way.

yeah thats just dumb.

personally i dont believe in paying more than 20/30 euros for a game, thats the maximum price any game is worth imo. so yeah i buy all my games second hand or i buy them when they get a price drop (got gt5 platinum, i rather wait than spend 60 honestly). but why anybody would buy a used game for less than 5 bucks cheaper doesnt make any sense. for me its an ethical decision, like i said no game is worth more than 30 imo.

developers really need to kick out the publishers, like going the download road. this way we could easily get new games released for between the 20/30 euros, easily. publishers belong to the evil of the world, like terrorists, politicians and bankers.

 

[dr_slump]

I really blame the people who pay $2-$5 less to get a $60 game used.

As it stands, I dont care about used games as they are super overpriced and make greedy Gamestop rich instead of the publishers and developers. Dont they offer like 10 bucks if you want to sell a brand new $60 game that was just released?

PC hasnt had used games since...ever. I've never had a problem with it. Doesnt bother me either way.

I usually get used games for free, what then?

I do have used games for PC, dude you never shared games?

 

[TP1]

So if I buy a new PS I'd have to buy a second copy of the same game? many people own 2 consoles. I don't believe it

Unless the usage of the game was not just tied to the console, but to the user as well.

i.e.: You 'register' your disk game to your PSN Profile and then you can continue to have full access with that game (trophies, multiplayer, etc.) when you're logged into that account, regardless of console.
However, if you try to play on your secondary account, even if its the same console, it might limit you.

It's fantastic how the giants blame second hand sales, rather than looking in their own back yard and fixing the actual problem: game longevity.
Some games are only worth playing once; because there's literally nothing to do after the first playthrough.
And it doesn't have to be a multiplayer mode, like the publishers want us to believe, by forcing MP into every game of every genre.

The majority of customers see it very simply:
price/play time
Most games cost 60£€$¥ and take barely 6 hours to complete.
10&/1hour ratio is attrochious.
No wonder 99c apps have fluorished so much.