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[Team THRT Drift]

So if I buy a new PS I'd have to buy a second copy of the same game? many people own 2 consoles. I don't believe it

I have two PS3 consoles and only two accounts. Both accounts are on both consoles.... why is it "shocking"/ unbelievable for people to have two consoles? Some people have three consoles because they play with three TV monitors....

 

[Samus]

I have two PS3 consoles and only two accounts. Both accounts are on both consoles.... why is it "shocking"/ unbelievable for people to have two consoles? Some people have three consoles because they play with three TV monitors....

You've totally misread that message.

 

[TokoTurismo]

It means a crappy Dodge that was sold in the 1980s (or a fictional company from the 1980s), just like the name for the 720 will mean a Dodge that is on sale now. What it "really" means is irrelevant to whether it is a stupid name or not, because people will associate it with what comes to mind firsthand rather than the pretentious-sounding explanation Sony will give if it does come name liked that.

Ohh, so that's its meaning huh? Still like the name Omni better.

Thanks for finding and knowing about its meaning though. 👍

 

[mcfizzle]

Weren't Microsoft also rumoured to be doing this at some point? I doubt it'll happen, just like the rumours the next MS console would be all digital. It might be a nice idea from the people at the top but they know consumers wouldn't take it.

Exactly.👍 Just because a patent is filed doesn't mean it will make it's way into the PS4. People shouldn't over react about things like this and rumored specs until it is announced by Sony. If you don't like what they are saying then go crazy.

 

[sems4arsenal]

Seriously doubt that will happen .Used trade able games actually help new customers trying out games(exclusives included)making them future customers who buy the first hand copy themselves.

 

[CAMAROBOY69]

I wonder how the Valve console will perform against the new PS3 and 360. Its supposed to release at almost the exact same time.

 

[sumbrownkid]

It'll probably draw in the PC crowds far more than the Playstation and Xbox brands.

Other than that, it's the games that will have to sell. Beyond Half-Life, nothing else out of Valve really entices me.

 

[Sanji Himura]

While there are areas where copyright law is on shaky ground with resellers, you got to remember that the US and Japan take two different approaches when it comes to first use.

In Japan, it is actually illegal to rent games, where as here in the US, people can rent them to their hearts content.

That is why the used games market is so big. It is not a matter of choice, but a matter of law. The Japanese gamers will play and beat the game so fast to earn a quick buck at the local game store, that there is no viable option for those players.

 

[LaBounti]

I'm ok with it as long as it registers to the account permanently. As in Any disc will work on the console once the game is registered including the downloaded version. I'm all for that. Anything less than that will be hard to swallow.

 

[Conza]

Well, this was/is one of the key variables that make consoles easier than PCs, if you take that away, its one less reason to buy a console - mind you as long as GT6 is still coming out on the PS4 only, that's a PS4 sale right there, may be the only reason I buy a PS4, but it'd work.

If its a downloadable game, I find it hard to see how we could sell it back, it obviously will never be refundable, transferable to another console, maybe that's a possibility, it'd have to be really swishy though, like for example, Gamestop have a PS4 and when you go to 'trade in' your game, they'll accept the downloaded game (code) and give you in store credit. But if you're going to want to download more games anyway, in store credit becomes less meaningful, because what are you going to spend it on? accessories? Maybe PSN cards, but that's about all the stores will become good for.

And this is assuming that you can even give your games away at all, AND that the store will be in on it after that. Not looking promising. But hopefully, the prices of games once they become download only, will drop dramatically, to the point where you're only spending $30-$40 on a brand new game, and which point getting back $15-$20 isn't really worth it, this wouldn't be a too bad situation, sure you don't get to recycle your investment, but the initial investment being that much smaller (in AU half price), that you don'' really care as much.

 

[TheDabbinDave]

I'm ok with it as long as it registers to the account permanently. As in Any disc will work on the console once the game is registered including the downloaded version. I'm all for that. Anything less than that will be hard to swallow.

Until you want to let a friend barrow it or you want to barrow one of his or her games, or you have a 2nd or 3rd PS4 in the house.

 

[LaBounti]

Until you want to let a friend barrow it or you want to barrow one of his or her games, or you have a 2nd or 3rd PS4 in the house.

I don't lend out my games nor do I borrow. I have 93 games on Disc. This is why I don't mind. I buy most my games new. I do not buy new releases (unless its GT or GTA), I wait for them to go on sale.

 

[Imari]

I don't lend out my games nor do I borrow. I have 93 games on Disc. This is why I don't mind. I buy most my games new. I do not buy new releases (unless its GT or GTA), I wait for them to go on sale.

Good for you. What about the rest of us?

 

[TheDabbinDave]

I don't lend out my games nor do I borrow. I have 93 games on Disc. This is why I don't mind. I buy most my games new. I do not buy new releases (unless its GT or GTA), I wait for them to go on sale.

It must suck to be a friend of yours or one of your kids. And just because a game is on sale, still doesn't mean it's worth buying. An 8 hour campaigns are unacceptable in a video game.

I've got about 7 games that I've purchased for myself. Series such as Rock Band, Guitar Hero, Buzz or MotorStorm count as 1 in this situation. I'm a little more picky about spending money on a game. That's why I rent before I buy.

 

[LaBounti]

It must suck to be a friend of yours or one of your kids. And just because a game is on sale, still doesn't mean it's worth buying. An 8 hour campaigns are unacceptable in a video game.

I've got about 7 games that I've purchased for myself. Series such as Rock Band, Guitar Hero, Buzz or MotorStorm count as 1 in this situation. I'm a little more picky about spending money on a game. That's why I rent before I buy.

It doesn't suck, Plus I research every game I buy, every single one. I'm a 25+ year gaming veteran. I don't buy any game on a whim. All my friends are 30 plus years old that all can afford their own games. My Son will be too young too even care about Ps4, PS2 is good enough for him now for the next 5 years. So he can share my system via Sub Accounts or have his own when he is old enough in about 4-5 years.

I said it doesn't affect me. I Do not speak for anyone else other than myself. My gaming collection accumulates over time And I've never sold nor traded a single one since the system came out in 2006.

Good for you. What about the rest of us?

You can start supporting the industry and buying new.... or changing your game buying habits for the future. At some point you won't have a choice but to adapt to new standards. Its either you are in or out.

 

[Samus]

Still doesn't really explain why you would want something like this. Even if you don't think it's going to affect you now looking ahead, you never know what situations might actually arise in the future. Even if you think it won't bother you, as a consumer, you should still be against anything like this on principle.

 

[LaBounti]

Still doesn't really explain why you would want something like this. Even if you don't think it's going to affect you now looking ahead, you never know what situations might actually arise in the future. Even if you think it won't bother you, as a consumer, you should still be against anything like this on principle.

I never said I wanted it. I'm gamer, I'm not going to just give it up or worry over something that doesn't and will not affect "me" in the future. If this really happens as long as the game is tied to my account I have no problem. I buy my game new already. I refuse to join this anti anti used game revolt. Used games do not support the publishers, developers or hardware manufactures. That's just my point of view and I'm not trying combat anyone else's. I may be in the minority but I still do not care for being against it. I'm not for it either. As long as I can go into a store or order a game new online put it into my system and play it I do not care.

 

[sems4arsenal]

I never said I wanted it. I'm gamer, I'm not going to just give it up or worry over something that doesn't and will not affect "me" in the future. If this really happens as long as the game is tied to my account I have no problem. I buy my game new already. I refuse to join this anti anti used game revolt. Used games do not support the publishers, developers or hardware manufactures. That's just my point of view and I'm not trying combat anyone else's. I may be in the minority but I still do not care for being against it. I'm not for it either. As long as I can go into a store or order a game new online put it into my system and play it I do not care.

They don't support sales over the short period ,on the long term they gain them new customers and raises recognition .

 

[LaBounti]

That's just my point of view and I'm not trying combat anyone else's.

That was mine and that was yours.

 

[Musolini187]

as long as new games are sold for over $30 its unacceptable to buy buy any game new. i think the most ive spend on a new game was 40, but those were collector editions with artbooks, soundtracks etc.

paying more than 30 for a normal game is like paying 10 bucks for a small order of fries, i just dont do it.

also i only support a fair business, and ever since this gen the industry has been everything but fair. giving us half finished games with hal the content of old games, selling them for 60/70, have you buy dlc just to view the real ending and see how the story finishes, bs dlc tactics in general.

theres more thn enough great games out there, i dont see how they can make me spend $$ on experiences ive had before, not to mention the older experiences were better and far more complete. once in a while ill buy a new game, if its 40 or less. the only titles im interrested in right now are last of us, no no kuni and possibly dark souls 2 (still havent played the first 2 i own). i bought gt5 platinum, worth every single penny, new for 60, yeah right.

 

[Musolini187]

double.

 

[II-zOoLoGy-II]

as long as new games are sold for over $30 its unacceptable to buy buy any game new.

Opinion.

i think the most ive spend on a new game was 40, but those were collector editions with artbooks, soundtracks etc.

paying more than 30 for a normal game is like paying 10 bucks for a small order of fries, i just dont do it.

Poor analogy and that is again your opinion.

also i only support a fair business, and ever since this gen the industry has been everything but fair. giving us half finished games with hal the content of old games, selling them for 60/70, have you buy dlc just to view the real ending and see how the story finishes, bs dlc tactics in general.

Prove it.

I find it extremely odd how games are continually evolving, (if they don't gamers throw temper tantrums), game sizes are continuously increasing (typically and on average) due to additional features which in turn require even more development time. Then there's people like you who claim current games have half the content of those that came before?

So, prove it.

theres more thn enough great games out there, i dont see how they can make me spend $$ on experiences ive had before, not to mention the older experiences were better and far more complete. once in a while ill buy a new game, if its 40 or less. the only titles im interrested in right now are last of us, no no kuni and possibly dark souls 2 (still havent played the first 2 i own). i bought gt5 platinum, worth every single penny, new for 60, yeah right.

No one can make you do anything.

The video game industry.

Some Internet posts would lead you to believe it's ran by the illuminati.

 

[Musolini187]

simply put the industry is run by people who want to sell you a product with the least amount of content for the most $ they can get. if possible and the consumer accepts it the would like to keep selling you the same product with the least amount of new content added so they can keep milkin you for even less innovation and work tey have to put in.

you can say whatever you like but this is a simple fact for the majority of publishers. whatever you believe is your own business, you can keep believing we live in a rose coloured world where everybody has the best intentions.

personally i want bang for my buck, if possible 2 bangs and a happy ending. as a consumer, to me at least, you dont make any sense. the throwing my money at the screen and take my money comments are getting old. you gotta earn my money.

 

[Tornado]

No. The simple fact is that the industry is more expensive to compete in (and drastically so in the past decade), but is still fighting an internal war over whether or not enough is enough and things should be pared back. No, not every game costs $60 million and several years to develop; and yes, some publishers are abusing the increased revenue that a $60 price point allows.


But when publishers and developers both large and small are constantly being closed down (you know THQ announced a sale of all of their assets today?) because the industry has started becoming unsustainable for all but the biggest (who have the money and clout) and the smallest (who have the cleverness and loyalty) players in it, it points towards their being something deeper than them trying to fleece customers at every turn.

 

[II-zOoLoGy-II]

Uh huh.

 

[Imari]

You can start supporting the industry and buying new.... or changing your game buying habits for the future. At some point you won't have a choice but to adapt to new standards. Its either you are in or out.

This was sort of my point. Games (and consoles) are already ludicrously overpriced in Australia. We pay at least half again what the prices are in the US.

If I have something that I know I will get $100 of enjoyment out of, I buy it new. Otherwise I'll pick it up second hand.

The problem with removing the second hand section of my purchases is that I know that it will result in me buying less games. Which leads me to whether it's worth me buying a console at all, or whether I should simply stick with PC gaming.

It's all about the price that the consumer deems acceptable for the entertainment they receive. Everyone has their own values obviously, but there is a certain range of people in every marketplace. I already consider the new prices to be fairly borderline, but I'm willing to pay them for the few things I consider worthwhile (the AAA titles that I enjoy) on the basis that there is also cheaper options available for me to access the stuff that I don't believe is worth full sticker price.

I doubt I'm the only one. I'm sure there's plenty of people out there like you who are happy to pay whatever it takes. I'm just saying that the PS3 generation was pretty close to the limit of the money I'm willing to spend for that sort of entertainment, and removing second hand games will likely push it over the line for me.

If it was new game prices only, I would have serious doubts about buying a console at all.

 

[thelvynau]

This was sort of my point. Games (and consoles) are already ludicrously overpriced in Australia. We pay at least half again what the prices are in the US.

If I have something that I know I will get $100 of enjoyment out of, I buy it new. Otherwise I'll pick it up second hand.

The problem with removing the second hand section of my purchases is that I know that it will result in me buying less games. Which leads me to whether it's worth me buying a console at all, or whether I should simply stick with PC gaming.

It's all about the price that the consumer deems acceptable for the entertainment they receive. Everyone has their own values obviously, but there is a certain range of people in every marketplace. I already consider the new prices to be fairly borderline, but I'm willing to pay them for the few things I consider worthwhile (the AAA titles that I enjoy) on the basis that there is also cheaper options available for me to access the stuff that I don't believe is worth full sticker price.

I doubt I'm the only one. I'm sure there's plenty of people out there like you who are happy to pay whatever it takes. I'm just saying that the PS3 generation was pretty close to the limit of the money I'm willing to spend for that sort of entertainment, and removing second hand games will likely push it over the line for me.

If it was new game prices only, I would have serious doubts about buying a console at all.

Thats why I get my games from online vendors brand new games are much cheaper.

Living in australia as well how can it be I went to big w and they had forza horizon brand new just released for 15 bucks cheaper than eb games?

 

[Imari]

Living in australia as well how can it be I went to big w and they had forza horizon brand new just released for 15 bucks cheaper than eb games?

It's a loss leader. Every Big W will have a severely limited number of copies of these games. I've tried to go to Big W and Kmart a couple of times for new releases. When I ring up they have it, but when I turn up they're mysteriously sold out. When I go to the games shop down the road to price match, they say they won't do it unless I can prove that Kmart has it in stock, because they know the trick.

It's just more BS designed to take advantage of the customer.

 

[freshseth83]

Aside from all that, Sony at CES had a GT5 4k demo again. Sony is pushing 4k hard. I think this may be a feature to look into as a possibility of the new Playstation.

 

[thelvynau]

Aside from all that, Sony at CES had a GT5 4k demo again. Sony is pushing 4k hard. I think this may be a feature to look into as a possibility of the new Playstation.

It would be a possibility if the rumoured hardware could handle 4k games.