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- Yaywalter
WSJ are known for having very reliable information. The fact it's not tagged with rumour seems to suggest this is happening.
Streaming is probably the only way PS4 could include any sort of BC for PS3 games and maybe PS2 as well. I've seen the same people suggesting that it should launch for $400-$500 also suggesting the PS4 should include the cell architecture
I accept that including hardware backwards compatibility is an increasingly unprofitable feature, but whatever the PS4 costs, I'd gladly pay $300 more for a SKU that had hardware PS3/PS2 backwards compatibility.
Gaikai is cool and all, but you're screwed if you don't have an internet connection. And even then, it's probably gotta be a fairly zippy connection for it to be a pleasant experience. I know that it's 2013 and a lot of people who can afford game consoles also have fast always-on internet connections, and unfortunately I also know that that's who Sony's gonna be catering to... I just hope that they don't screw people over who aren't able to keep their console online all or most of the time in the process.
Bottom-line: I want to be able to play all my Playstation games without having to have every generation of console connected to my TV; The latest one should suffice. I also don't want to have to use an online streaming service to play my older games... or rather, in my current living situation (on a US Navy ship), I cannot do so. But even if I could, I still wouldn't want to. And I'm sure that there are people out there who feel the same way, despite having an internet connection more than sufficient for Gaikai.
At the very least, Sony should make a trend out of the PS3 and give us backwards compatibility for all previous consoles except for the immediate predecessor to the current console. Or in other words, the PS4 should be PS1/PS2 backwards compatible, even if it's only software emulation. And the PS5 should be PS1/PS2/PS3 backwards compatible... and so on.
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- neema_t
So you'd replace your PS3 (if the alternative is re-buying them all) I suppose. I have about the same amount as you but GT5, MGS HD, Tekken Tag 3 and MGS4 are the only ones I play now, and I probably wouldn't bother re-buying GT5 nor Tekken seeing as they'll both be superseded by the next release. If GT6 makes me wish I still had GT5 I just won't bother with it at all!
But yeah, using a PS3 disc as a key to stream the game is a pretty good solution too...
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- neema_t
If its only for backwards compatibility I don't see it as a big problem, I imagine the majority of console gamers don't play a game once the sequel is out and if Call of Duty is still the most popular franchise by a long shot I'm guessing there's a few million people who'd never even think about backwards compatibility (I know that's slightly wonky logic and probably understating it but hopefully you get my point). If they were streaming all their new releases I'd agree completely.
Also they do want to motivate people to buy current generation games, of course.
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- stiggygonzalez
Yep,perhaps if the PS4 could scan our original PS3 discs to unlock access to a streamed version that would be brilliant aswell as transferring data from our PS3's.
Also to prevent people using the same disc on multiple systems PS3 discs could be scanned once.
Is this a far out idea or is it possible?
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- GTP_SEMS
So you'd have to own a super fast internet speed to stream games then.
Count me out
Count me out
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- stiggygonzalez
So you'd have to own a super fast internet speed to stream games then.
Count me out
Mine isn't superfast but it streams youtube well enough if a bit lagging with framerate.
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What I am curious about is the actual Gaikai servers; have they built additional servers with Cell processors to run PS3 exclusives?
Did Sony make their developers adjust their games to run on existing hardware?
If they are utilizing traditional architecture over the Cell then we are likely to see an increase in the graphical quality of PS3 games (just with input lag and still at 720p).
I doubt they are leaving them out all together; especially with images like this that appeared on the Gaikai site months ago, but time will tell (For those that don't know the figure with bright eyes is a Helghast soldier from Killzone, to his left is the guy from Infamous..,).
http://www.gaikai.com/about
It is interesting noting that the next PS/XBOX are both rumored to have AMD chips while Gaikai is powered by Nvidia.
http://www.ubergizmo.com/2012/05/gaikai-nvidia-offer-cloud-gaming-service/
Choo Choo; Hype train coming through.
Did Sony make their developers adjust their games to run on existing hardware?
If they are utilizing traditional architecture over the Cell then we are likely to see an increase in the graphical quality of PS3 games (just with input lag and still at 720p).
I doubt they are leaving them out all together; especially with images like this that appeared on the Gaikai site months ago, but time will tell (For those that don't know the figure with bright eyes is a Helghast soldier from Killzone, to his left is the guy from Infamous..,).
http://www.gaikai.com/about
It is interesting noting that the next PS/XBOX are both rumored to have AMD chips while Gaikai is powered by Nvidia.
http://www.ubergizmo.com/2012/05/gaikai-nvidia-offer-cloud-gaming-service/
Choo Choo; Hype train coming through.
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I miss going to India and seeing stuff like that. Horrible dangerous, but horribly funny also.
The hype is building on my school campus, and many nerdgasms are happening on Google.
If I had to list hype I'd say:
1.)God
2.)Bread
3.)PS4
4.)King Henry VIII
As for Gaikai, I think Sony will be charging a premium for this stuff and included in the top of the line online subscription. So the people who have poor internet probably won't pay for the service since they know the internet they have will ruin it for them. Takes care of Sony's problem of wide distribution on that front.
The hype is building on my school campus, and many nerdgasms are happening on Google.
If I had to list hype I'd say:
1.)God
2.)Bread
3.)PS4
4.)King Henry VIII
As for Gaikai, I think Sony will be charging a premium for this stuff and included in the top of the line online subscription. So the people who have poor internet probably won't pay for the service since they know the internet they have will ruin it for them. Takes care of Sony's problem of wide distribution on that front.
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- Brucifxr
I like this idea. You could insert a PS3 disc, the PS4's laser will scan it and once it's picked up what game it is, it could imprint something on the disc to make it usuable for that console only?
I don't want to repay for a game I already own, so this is something I hope for.
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I wonder what they will show in this meeting. Might show probably how hardware looks including controller and games might look like but they will probably be secretive about specs but give the at least 10X more powerful comment in there. I think some of the current specs in dev kits are really just placeholder stuff, it would be disappointing if they are final specs. They should at a minimum target Kaveri and Sea Islands but I guess they might even go further than that with a bespoke SOC with AMD's latest technology at lower clock speeds, cores than the actual target for desktop parts in the future.
They will probably most likely use Cell processors. Graphical quality will most likely go down if they didn't use the Cell unless a lot of work is done on game, they just might as well do 1080p re-releases on PS4 too. It will be interesting if Sony open up to PC gamers the PS3 gaming library. I reckon they will have a subscription fee, probably a bit pricey.
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- Brucifxr
I mean yeah, you could just hook up the PS3 and play them. But my shelf has room for 2 consoles. Hopefully, at least one will be coming down this year
About the Cell, I've seen some specs say it will have 128 SPEs. Multi-platform developers will no longer have an excuse for sub-standard ports with 128 SPEs ready to use. But either way, there should be no porting of any games next generation.
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Using a PS3 to play PS3 games seems the best idea for making use of your current games library and no doubt we will see re-releases of collections of games in future on PS4 with better graphics. Honestly though I don't think there will be much of a reason to play on PS3 once you get a PS4 given how much better everything should be. PS3 will unlikely have that nostalgia thing about it either.I mean yeah, you could just hook up the PS3 and play them. But my shelf has room for 2 consoles. Hopefully, at least one will be coming down this year
About the Cell, I've seen some specs say it will have 128 SPEs. Multi-platform developers will no longer have an excuse for sub-standard ports with 128 SPEs ready to use. But either way, there should be no porting of any games next generation.
Cell is highly unlikely to be even used in PS4 given the number of rumours pointing towards it being an all AMD system.
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Yeah but a full blown HD game ,but to be honest my 512 kb/s speed doesn't even stream youtube vidoes properly.
Anyway bring on the PS2 video
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You probably need a 6Mb connection for good game play. I tried Gaikai service before and was surprised how good it was especially regarding input which was very responsive.
With you mentioning the PS2, I wonder if they will have that as well as PS1 fully emulated well on PS4. That would be awesome.
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I can't see why not ,upscaled classics released on modern day consoles is always a good idea.
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Great to see footage from release days.
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Why are Sony being arrogant and a bit trolling with there google ads campaign.
"Jump out "Was quite a clever use on words and quite catchy. A reference to MS jump in slogan.
"Yoga isn't a game" is a side swipe at Wii fit. (Wonder book lol)
The latest Sony quip is "Oh yay, another Mario game" step up to Playstation 2/20.
Sony you sound like school boy tossers, aiming at an immature market. Just let your product do the talking eh, oh and don't strip out features your launch console provides at a later date eh.
*Dons flame suit*
"Jump out "Was quite a clever use on words and quite catchy. A reference to MS jump in slogan.
"Yoga isn't a game" is a side swipe at Wii fit. (Wonder book lol)
The latest Sony quip is "Oh yay, another Mario game" step up to Playstation 2/20.
Sony you sound like school boy tossers, aiming at an immature market. Just let your product do the talking eh, oh and don't strip out features your launch console provides at a later date eh.
*Dons flame suit*
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rabble rabble rabble rabble " You're such an xbox fan boy"
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I own all 3 actually.
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I disagree, its utterly pointless to pull the immature card when it comes to advertising a gaming console. Its just flame bait and to get people excited about console wars.
Are you too young to remember the Blast Processing days? Or the "Bit" wars? Genesis does what Nintendon't?
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- F1fan1
There is a fairly simple solution. The PS4 will still be able to read PS3 discs, however, the console itself may not be able to run them. You insert the disc into the PS4, the console offers to take you to the streaming service. If you remove the disc, the ps4 disconnects you from the game. As for DLC, your psn account has a record of all dlc's purchased so you can still play them. The same goes for digital downloads. When you open the streaming service on your console, there would be a list of games you have access to and a store where you can buy access to other games. Hopefully at a reduced price. Expect to see a lot more "full game trials" as you don't have to download massive files anymore. You can play virtually any game for a set amount of time after which you are prompted to buy it or return back to the store.
I don't see them going down a route where the PS4 would "burn something onto the disc" so it can only be played on one console, however, the constant need for cd verification eradicates the risk of people borrowing lots of games to trick the system into believing they own them.
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Ditto. There will be some charge for using the service. But I think you will be able to play owned games that way. Sony will have to do something to entice people to pay for the service. Maybe it will be the next step for ps+. There will be free games for subscribers. They can offer a few free games per month. They aren't limited to ps3 games either. A huge library of ps2 and ps1 games would be great. Either way, they'll have to do something to convince the general public to subscribe when they could just play the games on ps3 anyway.
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