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That is probably one of the main reasons why Microsoft have got away with it so long. The only way they will continue to do so is if Sony start charging to play online too. If they don't I can't see Microsoft lasting long with the current paying to play online model they have with XBL.

If they have managed to 'get away' with charging for a better service, then a rather good chance exists that they will continue to be able to do so. My biggest concern actually surrounds Sony in this regard, if they are going to charge, then they need to ensure they offer the same level that XBL currently offers. That means in terms of features, stability and speed.
 
Actually xboxlive deals go on sale a couple times a year and are usually around $32.00 a year. Which is only $2.66 a month for a much better online experience by a longshot. Especially the voice communications. 8 player party chat along with being able to communicate while all in different games. You get what you pay for. I grew up a long time PS fan but free is free for a reason. When it comes to the online experience, xboxlive is miles ahead.

I wouldnt mind paying for PS3 online if it was anywhere near as good as the 360 online.
That is probably one of the main reasons why Microsoft have got away with it so long. The only way they will continue to do so is if Sony start charging to play online too. If they don't I can't see Microsoft lasting long with the current paying to play online model they have with XBL.
Why wouldnt xboxlive last long? Its still THE best online experience. I would much rather pay for a superior experience than have an inferior free experience. Like I said, I would much rather pay for an excellent online experience compared to getting a crappy one for free. I have both systems and there is no comparison when it comes to online gaming. Live has been better than PSN since even back on the original xbox. You could still chat with friends while in different games. Its impossible to top the xboxlive experience for $2.66 a month. Believe me I have tried over the last 8-10 years between PC, PS2, xbox, and 360.
 
Well, I would love some of the pc exclusive sims on PS4, as long as they aren't toned down.. there aren't any racing games for me to play apart from GT at the moment.
 
Why wouldnt xboxlive last long? Its still THE best online experience. I would much rather pay for a superior experience than have an inferior free experience. Like I said, I would much rather pay for an excellent online experience compared to getting a crappy one for free. I have both systems and there is no comparison when it comes to online gaming.

I have both systems and I personally think Xbox live isn't that much better, I just wish SCEE would get their act together. We get everything late over here, it's a joke. Sorry for double post.
 
If they have managed to 'get away' with charging for a better service, then a rather good chance exists that they will continue to be able to do so. My biggest concern actually surrounds Sony in this regard, if they are going to charge, then they need to ensure they offer the same level that XBL currently offers. That means in terms of features, stability and speed.
They are virtually asking to pay money to use internet connection on your console. The advantages they had is mainly software implementation. If Sony do all the stuff that you currently have to pay for on XBL for free, I wonder how many will still want to pay for the privilege on also an advertised service.

Why wouldnt xboxlive last long? Its still THE best online experience. I would much rather pay for a superior experience than have an inferior free experience. Xboxlive would has and will outlast PSN by a longshot.
It would probably be made into a free service or continue as paid service depending on what Sony do.
 
It would probably be made into a free service or continue as paid service depending on what Sony do.
The ONLY way I see live going free is if Sony somehow impliments an 8 party chat system similar to what xboxlive has AND allow people to communicate while all in different games. Thats the ONLY way PSN is going to even come close to xboxlive. The communication options in live are years and years ahead of PSN. Not even comparable. I would truly LOVE to see PS4 come out with a FREE 8 player party chat system. If PS4 can pull that off then they might have a chance at getting microsoft into creating a free online experience. But you can guarantee that if ms makes the online system free, there will be consequences. Prices will raise for other things, more micromanagement. Also xboxlive has never been hacked so if it went free, who knows what would happen. I personally would not want xboxlive free because I know they would charge for something else to make up the difference. Maybe paid microtransactions. I guess we will see. There are a lot of other benefits to being a gold member that silver members dont get access too. Free betas, free demos and much more.
 
The ONLY way I see live going free is if Sony somehow impliments an 8 party chat system similar to what xboxlive has AND allow people to communicate while all in different games. Thats the ONLY way PSN is going to even come close to xboxlive. The communication options in live are years and years ahead of PSN. Not even comparable. I would truly LOVE to see PS4 come out with a FREE 8 player party chat system. If PS4 can pull that off then they might have a chance at getting microsoft into creating a free online experience. But you can guarantee that if ms makes the online system free, there will be consequences. Prices will raise for other things, more micromanagement. Also xboxlive has never been hacked so if it went free, who knows what would happen. I personally would not want xboxlive free because I know they would charge for something else to make up the difference. Maybe paid microtransactions. I guess we will see. There are a lot of other benefits to being a gold member that silver members dont get access too. Free betas, free demos and much more.
Well if PS Vita can do it free the 8 Player Party chat with PSN, I don't see why PS4 can't.

The XBL Gold advantages such as demos is standard on PSN for free.
 
Well if PS Vita can do it free the 8 Player Party chat with PSN, I don't see why PS4 can't.

The XBL Gold advantages such as demos is standard on PSN for free.
Can those players in the 8 player party chat all be in different games or on the PSN dashboard and still talk at the same time? Or do they all have to be in the game for the 8 player party chat?
 
Can those players in the 8 player party chat all be in different games or on the PSN dashboard and still talk at the same time? Or do they all have to be in the game for the 8 player party chat?
In different games or applications, it works fine mostly. I think there are like the odd game, only one I know of that disables all Internet connections though due to probably maximising hardware potential (Uncharted). Should be no problem on PS4 though for virtually full friend list on party chart if needed.
 
In different games or applications, it works fine mostly. I think there are like the odd game, only one I know of that disables all Internet connections though due to probably maximising hardware potential (Uncharted). Should be no problem on PS4 though for virtually full friend list on party chart if needed.
Then thats VERY impressive especially for a handheld gaming system. I also agree if the VIta can do that then the PS4/Orbis should be able to do it for sure. Quite excited for this announcement tonight. Once the PS4 info is sparked and confirmed, the next xbox announcement will have to try and top it. The xboxlive experience has always kept me on the xbox side because it was always so much better. Going to be an interresting fight between these 2 consoles this year.
 
It seems that Gamestop has seen a Battlefield 4 sneak preview, could be shown during Sony's show.
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They are virtually asking to pay money to use internet connection on your console.
No its not.


The advantages they had is mainly software implementation.
Odd - because I pay Sony to make things easier for me in that regard as well. It also offers a great deal more, not just in terms of features. Its more stable (PSN maintenance is rather frequent in comparison), more stable (based on my own experience) and certainly more secure.

I do of course expect a rather massive back track on these issues from you if Sony announce that they will charge to play on-line.


If Sony do all the stuff that you currently have to pay for on XBL for free, I wonder how many will still want to pay for the privilege on also an advertised service.
Sony do currently charge me for some of the same stuff, or do you suddenly get cloud storage for free on PSN now?



It would probably be made into a free service or continue as paid service depending on what Sony do.
I actually very much doubt that which was MS jump on this will be determined just on the basis of what Sony do. If anything it would appear to be Sony that is being influenced by what MSN are doing (if this rumour is correct).
 
No its not.
In most cases it is, goodness knows how much effort BBC needed to get iPlayer on Xbox 360 for free finally. The most funny one has got to be Internet Explorer, finally Xbox 360 gets a web browser but you have to pay for XBL Gold to use it.
Odd - because I pay Sony to make things easier for me in that regard as well. It also offers a great deal more, not just in terms of features. Its more stable (PSN maintenance is rather frequent in comparison), more stable (based on my own experience) and certainly more secure.

I do of course expect a rather massive back track on these issues from you if Sony announce that they will charge to play on-line.
It is free to use platform on PC and has the same security as every other Microsoft account as far as I know. Don't know about it being securer than PSN though, PSN now could be much more securer than XBL.

Why would I back track on these issues, it will be massively disappointing if that is the case. I don't think I will pay to play online much, only for really any big events coming up if that was the case but I am hopeful that it will remain free. I don't play games much online anyway but it is always good that you can play online whatever time of year without worrying about if your subscription has run out. Still will be able to play PC games online as well as PS3 at least in worst case scenario.
Sony do currently charge me for some of the same stuff, or do you suddenly get cloud storage for free on PSN now?
Hopefully that feature will be free in future, temporary creating of the illusion of adding value by both when it should really be free. What is worrying is the number of services that are free on say Playstation platform or other computing platforms like smartphones and PCs requires an XBL Gold membership.
I actually very much doubt that which was MS jump on this will be determined just on the basis of what Sony do. If anything it would appear to be Sony that is being influenced by what MSN are doing (if this rumour is correct).
There hand will most likely be forced if most of their userbase is jumping ship due to that being one of the reasons. I think Sony will pursue their current strategy, PS Plus rebranded and your good base level PSN features as standard. It will depend on how greedy Sony want to be regarding this which will help Microsoft if they follow suit more in this regard but disappointing for console gaming community.
 
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Sony has said numerous times they will never charge to play online. PS World will be a revamped PS+.

Are they announcing pricing and preordering or will that be for E3?
 
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If they have managed to 'get away' with charging for a better service, then a rather good chance exists that they will continue to be able to do so. My biggest concern actually surrounds Sony in this regard, if they are going to charge, then they need to ensure they offer the same level that XBL currently offers. That means in terms of features, stability and speed.

Which will be hard to do, SONY is nt a software company. Look at some of the nonsense we put up with now. Surely they aren't screwing things up on purpose? Kinda like UPS sitting on a package for 5 days because of the price you decided to pay. Getting stuff next day through Amazon Prime for $4 via UPS is a jab in their eye!!!
 
In most cases it is, goodness knows how much effort BBC needed to get iPlayer on Xbox 360 for free finally. The most funny one has got to be Internet Explorer, finally Xbox 360 gets a web browser but you have to pay for XBL Gold to use it.
And if that was all XBL was about you might have a point, but its not.


It is free to use platform on PC and has the same security as every other Microsoft account as far as I know. Don't know about it being securer than PSN though, PSN now could be much more securer than XBL.
Based on the evidence we have available one has been shown to be more secure than the other, while that may change in the future all we have is the history of the past issues with PSN. Do not underestimate the potential impact that had for many on the PSN network.

Sony may we have made PSN more secure than XBL now, that unfortunately came at a massive cost (both financial and non-financial) to them.


Why would I back track on these issues, it will be massively disappointing if that is the case. I don't think I will pay to play online much, only for really any big events coming up if that was the case but I am hopeful that it will remain free. I don't play games much online anyway but it is always good that you can play online whatever time of year without worrying about if your subscription has run out. Still will be able to play PC games online as well as PS3 at least in worst case scenario.
However as you say you would pay, maybe not all the time, but you would still pay.

In my opinion most would complain quite a bit about it (the threads here I can already picture), then they would accept it and the vast majority would pay and within a short period of time most would then justify it to themselves as well.

Hopefully that feature will be free in future, temporary creating of the illusion of adding value by both when it should really be free.
To be blunt why should it be free? Both Sony and MS have to set-up and manage server arrays to handle just the cloud storage side of things, those activities have both a one-time cost and re-occurring cost to them, why should they just give it away?


What is worrying is the number of services that are free on say Playstation platform or other computing platforms like smartphones and PCs requires an XBL Gold membership.
Do you pay for them over and above you XBL membership? No.

I pay for my XBL for the on-line gaming, the access to the other functionality (such as Facebook, IE, Lovefilm, etc.) is simply a bonus. If that was all I was paying to access you would have a very valid point, but its not.


There hand will most likely be forced if most of their userbase is jumping ship due to that being one of the reasons. I think Sony will pursue their current strategy, PS Plus rebranded and your good base level PSN features as standard. It will depend on how greedy Sony want to be regarding this which will help Microsoft if they follow suit more in this regard but disappointing for console gaming community.
That hasn't happened to date and currently shows no sign of happening. Sony would first have to offer a service that matches or exceed XBL in every way (and as I have said not just features), then offer it for free and then steal significant sales from MS.

To put in in a personal perspective, my first console of this gen was a PS3, even with the free on-line I bought a 360 and pay for XBL (years after I got my PS3). The reason? Simply because as things stand right now its worth it for a more secure and stable platform.


Sony has said numerous times they will never charge to play online. PS World will be a revamped PS+.
And no company has ever changed position on a subject before?

Sony could quite easily justify it with a new console, I hope they don't (it will be a tick in the right box for me when it comes to chose) but neither would it surprise me at all.
 
I don't want to start anything, I will just quote someone from the IGN forums, maybe it's completely WRONG, here you go:
" Square reps, MGS Phantom Pain teaser dates, Battlefied 4, Watch Dogs, Gran Turismo 6, Sony Santa Monica & Bungie and more all scheduled to show for the presser today. Sony bringing out the big guns "
 
Sweet!

I called in to work today lmao.

Mainly to play Crysis 3; but this event is a big plus!

Wonder how much pre-rendered crap there will be....

And how much "game-play" that will look nothing like release game-play...
 
Sony has said numerous times they will never charge to play online. PS World will be a revamped PS+.

Are they announcing pricing and preordering or will that be for E3?
Playstation Plus is the first step in that direction. Besides, companies change their minds all the time. Remember the days of "exclusives". When certain games would never go to the other console. Here are some examples of how companies do indeed change their mind.

Final Fantasy
Devil May Cry
Final Fantasy
Metal Gear
Resident Evil

All games that were said to be "Playstation exclusive" and would NEVER come to the xbox. Times change, ideas change, companies change. PS plus is a step toward charging for online gaming on the PS.
Just a reminder xboxlive is only about $2.66 a month. $32.00 for the year. If the next playstation is going to charge for online, it better be around or cheaper than that price range.
 
I don't believe sony will charge for online, that would be the worst decision ever, PS+ is an awesome deal, if they can keep it like that and add more options I don't see why people won't subscribe
 
I don't believe sony will charge for online, that would be the worst decision ever, PS+ is an awesome deal, if they can keep it like that and add more options I don't see why people won't subscribe

Yea.. maybe.

Free online play is a selling point. More people choose ps4 over xbox.
Ps plus with Streaming and rumoured video sharing etc. Plenty of people would buy it I'm sure. I know I would.
 
Yea.. maybe.

Free online play is a selling point. More people choose ps4 over xbox.
Ps plus with Streaming and rumoured video sharing etc. Plenty of people would buy it I'm sure. I know I would.
The free online play is a great feature for sure. But the major selling point of the PS3 over the 360 was the blu ray player. Put the blu ray player into the 360 and its going to be one HECK of a battle. I mentioned this earlier but the main reason I purchased the PS3 was strictly for the Blu ray player and GT5 (GT5 at launch ended up being one of the most disappointing games in my history of gaming).

If the 360 had blu ray, I dont think there is any way the competiton would have been close between the 360 and PS3. Besides, I thought the 360 was already outselling the PS3? I could be wrong. Anyone have the overall sale figures between the PS3 and 360? Just imagine the 360 sales with blu ray.
 
The major selling point of the PS3 over the 360 was the blu ray player. Put the blu ray player into the 360 and its going to be one HECK of a battle. I mentioned this earlier but the main reason I purchased the PS3 was strictly for the Blu ray player and GT5 (GT5 at launch ended up being one of the most disappointing games in my history of gaming).

If the 360 had blu ray, I dont think there is any way the competiton would have been close between the 360 and PS3. Besides, I thought the 360 was already outselling the PS3? I could be wrong. Anyone have the overall sale figures between the PS3 and 360? Just imagine the 360 sales with blu ray.

I think PS has many great selling points over xbox.
Free online
Far better exclusives (debatable I suppose)
blu ray
3D
For me the exclusives are most important, I just hope for GT to get back on top of the racing exclusives. I know for sure I'm choosing ps4.. for the games. Even if we have to pay for online and xbox gets blu ray.. PS will always have better exclusives in my opinion.
Ok, it seems the xbox was leading at first (Could be due to earlier release, lower price) But now the ps3 has caught up. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/11/16/sony_celebrates_70_million_playstation_sales/
 
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And how much "game-play" that will look nothing like release game-play...

Good point, if they tease some of those games for sure will be mind blowing, but it is better to wait and see what happens at release date. It is not the first time we face a new console/generation...
 
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