Political Correctness

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LeMansAid
I must be on a bit of a crusade at the moment. I am continually noticing and becoming irritated by people presenting themselves as having principles, but only really having preferences. My latest grievance links Mike Pence, Hamilton (the musical), it's cast, and Tim Minchin (the man behind other current day musicals such as Groundhog Day and Matilda).

In a very recent interview Minchin was asked if he would have any issue with actors in his shows calling out audience members to make political statements (Mike Pence at a Hamilton performance, the case in point). The answer was a simply no, but I don't believe him. Had the message been one that he strongly disagreed with I don't believe for a second that he would not take issue.

I thought that the idea was to quite simply give a voice to the voiceless, not to "steal" the voice from the voiced, and give it to the voiceless. I think that the people that enact this reverse marginalising force instead of just working to eradicate marginalisation, completely go against their own purported principles. It's ok to have a go at Pence in that way. It's ok to discriminate about which message is ok. It's not ok to act as if you're doing that based on a principle and not a preference.
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And you come to that conclusion based on........?
 
Do you think Plotical Correctness and all the SJW movements are dying out?

If memory serves, they are shrinking in people who associate themselves with them (the less vocal ones anyway) and Clinton lost the election, when her entire campaign catered to the PC & SJW crowd.
 
mustafur
Comparing one person to many, not the same.
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No no. I pointed out his remark that Clinton's campaign are entirely catered SJWs and PC which is not (entirely) the case and pretty much a generalizations at best. Its like saying that all feminists are triggered to Hugh Mungus and all BLM supporters hates white people.

Whatever the case its sending the wrong tone. Trump Supporters also dont like to be branded as racists. They probably disappointed that Bernie lost, suspicious emails, etc. Keep that in mind.
 
I'm not saying Clinton supporters are all SJWs or PC goers, just she was the preferred candidate for the SJWs and PC due to how she handled her campaign.
 
RESHIRAM5
Do you think Plotical Correctness and all the SJW movements are dying out?

If memory serves, they are shrinking in people who associate themselves with them (the less vocal ones anyway) and Clinton lost the election, when her entire campaign catered to the PC & SJW crowd.
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Well, they sure are showing signs of collapsing due to infighting, but I wouldn't get my hopes up for years.
 
Scaff
And you come to that conclusion based on........?
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My post isn't that easy to read and understand, even for the author, as I realise now that I have re-read it. By extension it's hard to know what you concluded about my "conclusions", as I don't know how you interpreted my blather.

Happy to try and make sense of it, or forget about it. No biggie either way to me.
 
LeMansAid
My post isn't that easy to read and understand, even for the author, as I realise now that I have re-read it. By extension it's hard to know what you concluded about my "conclusions", as I don't know how you interpreted my blather.

Happy to try and make sense of it, or forget about it. No biggie either way to me.
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It read to me as if you wanted to start a 'crusade' based on the idea that Tim Minchin 'might' act in a certain way, but you offer no evidence that he would.

It just seemed to be a rather bold step based on belief alone.
 
mustafur
I disagree, Catering for a crowd doesn't say all will agree.
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Same when Trump utter rather provocative remarks about certain nationality and religion. I'm sure not all of his supporters will agreed and Trump is probably tone it down after his presidency, i hope.

Its actually much scarier because it concerning persecuting people because of their nationalities, religion, or any of basic people identity, instead of actually focusing on the law itself, such as illegal immigration.
 
RESHIRAM5
Do you think Plotical Correctness and all the SJW movements are dying out?
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A fantastic question I never would have thought of!

I have no doubt they are all reeling in denial, confusion and self-doubt at the moment, a terrible moment in the acceptance of loss.

The virility of their meme does seem certain to be tested over the near or medium term, now that you mention it.
 
Dotini
I have no doubt they are all reeling in denial, confusion and self-doubt at the moment, a terrible moment in the acceptance of loss.
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Hardly. I'm sure that the die-hard conservatives would love to believe that the election result proved the death knell of proponents of social justice, but I am equally sure that they will be bitterly disappointed. There are still plenty of us out there who believe that everyone deserves to be treated like a human being.
 
Northstar
Let me know when that starts because I haven't seen anything resembling that from any group.
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What makes you think we're a group? Conservatives love to characterise us as a political movement, because if we're a movement, we can be beaten.
 
prisonermonkeys
Hardly. I'm sure that the die-hard conservatives would love to believe that the election result proved the death knell of proponents of social justice, but I am equally sure that they will be bitterly disappointed. There are still plenty of us out there who believe that everyone deserves to be treated like a human being.
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The self righteousness is strong in this one.
 
prisonermonkeys
What makes you think we're a group?
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The definition.

Group - a number of people or things that are located close together or are considered or classed together.

In this case it's the group of people that think...

everyone deserves to be treated like a human being.
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I could go on but I'm guessing someone with your background doesn't need me to.

Conservatives love to characterise us as a political movement, because if we're a movement, we can be beaten.
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I love the irony! Love it! Love it! LOVE IT!

And I was including Conservatives, Libertarians, Liberals, Tea Partiers, Christians, Jews, Muslims, Gays, Homophobes, Social Justice Warriors, Kanyeism and every other sub-sect of humanity in my post. They all seemingly have the same "People can believe whatever they want so long as it's what we believe in" sort of mantra to their belief system and it's hypocritical and tiring.
 
prisonermonkeys
Hardly. I'm sure that the die-hard conservatives would love to believe that the election result proved the death knell of proponents of social justice
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I have a suspicion that "die-hard conservatives" are not the only group who get sick of people who go on tumblr and/or Twitter and whine at everyone about how their social problem is more important than any other one. And while it's unfortunate that "social justice warrior" has become synonymous with actual social justice platforms, that ship obviously sailed quite a while ago if even you're acting like they are one in the same.
 
Northstar
In this case it's the group of people that think...
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There's a difference between a group of people who share a belief, and a group of people who organise themselves around that belief. A difference that you appear to have deliberately ignored.
 
Dotini
A fantastic question I never would have thought of!

I have no doubt they are all reeling in denial, confusion and self-doubt at the moment, a terrible moment in the acceptance of loss.

The virility of their meme does seem certain to be tested over the near or medium term, now that you mention it.
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I think that recently, they've been doubling down after the election. But eventually, some of them will come around.
 
prisonermonkeys
There's a difference between a group of people who share a belief, and a group of people who organise themselves around that belief. A difference that you appear to have deliberately ignored.
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And which one do you think I'm using? I feel I should know this in order for me to properly respond.

Also, great job completely ignoring the rest of my post.
 
FrzGT
Its like saying that all feminists are triggered to Hugh Mungus and all BLM supporters hates white people
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Who said that? You do realise no one actually thinks 100% of any of these groups think entirely the same way? The point is that a large majority do act a certain way, and these are the groups that are making noise and are a concern. To not acknowledge it is ignorant.

The fact is Hillary's campaign was targeted at the SJW crowd. I don't think the previous comment was meant as "only the SJW crowd".
 
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TRGTspecialist
Could you clarify this point - a large majority of what group(s), and in what way they are acting?
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Look at what I quoted, for example. A lot of BLM is hostile towards white people, and most current feminists would be triggered by Hugh Mungus.
 
GranTurismo guy
Look at what I quoted, for example. A lot of BLM is hostile towards white people, and most current feminists would be triggered by Hugh Mungus.
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Can i share that idea to Americans, Muslims, black people, etc? I'm sure I can scot free with that. /s
 

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