Political Correctness

[huskeR32]

But it still brings up the question of, why can't they participate in uniform?

You'd have to ask them for sure, but I'd guess because they don't want an air of "blue lives matter" distracting from their message - fighting discrimination on race/gender/sexual orientation/etc.

 

[Danoff]

You're comparing somebody's career as a cop to things like race, gender, and sexual orientation?

Worth noting that "banishes...from participating" is a bit of an inaccurate portrayal, as the ban is on uniforms. Cops can show up in plainclothes all they want, yes?

But it still brings up the question of, why can't they participate in uniform?

As with so many things, the issue is how they get to use taxpayer dollars and exclude anyone. I can see a reason for cops in uniform being excluded, but that directive would have to come from the police organization because they don't want to be represented in an official capacity. If the police department is fine with it, I'm struggling to see why the parade should receive tax dollars while still excluding people on this basis.

Edit:

Although, let's be honest, it's hard to see why the parade has public funding anyway.

 

[TenEightyOne]

But it still brings up the question of, why can't they participate in uniform?

The clue's at the top of the herald - their warrant is a Royal one. Royal warrant holders aren't allowed to wear their uniforms in any demonstrations that might be seen to show support for any political cause. It's been the subject of much discussion in the UK around the wearing of Remembrance Day poppies on police uniforms, for example.

No office is going to exclude its warrant holders from taking part in a demonstration, they just can't wear the uniforms awarded by that office.

 

[Danoff]

The clue's at the top of the herald - their warrant is a Royal one. Royal warrant holders aren't allowed to wear their uniforms in any demonstrations that might be seen to show support for any political cause. It's been the subject of much discussion in the UK around the wearing of Remembrance Day poppies on police uniforms, for example.

No office is going to exclude its warrant holders from taking part in a demonstration, they just can't wear the uniforms awarded by that office.

That makes perfect sense and is exactly what I suggested above... the police internally requiring uniforms not to be present because it means the individuals are there in an official capacity.

 

[Johnnypenso]

http://nypost.com/2017/05/31/college-melts-down-over-plan-for-white-people-free-day-on-campus/

"Protestors" at Evergreen State College called for a "day without white people" and melted down over a white professor attending the school that day after he refers to the day as, "an act of oppression in and of itself". Consequently he, and apparently others according to the video, were barraged with a stream of profanities from hysterical students and deemed a racist. Of course now they want him fired. The Chief of Police has told him it's no longer safe for him to be on campus. Students claim the video was stolen by "white supremacists" and should be taken down.

Note: I was going to put this story up in the Funny News Stories thread because it fits quite well there too, but don't want to be accused of being a spammer

 

[Tornado]

Those students are confused. The NBA Finals don't start until tonight.

 

[Dotini]

http://nypost.com/2017/05/31/college-melts-down-over-plan-for-white-people-free-day-on-campus/

"Protestors" at Evergreen State College called for a "day without white people" and melted down over a white professor attending the school that day after he refers to the day as, "an act of oppression in and of itself". Consequently he, and apparently others according to the video, were barraged with a stream of profanities from hysterical students and deemed a racist. Of course now they want him fired. The Chief of Police has told him it's no longer safe for him to be on campus.

Evergreen State College was originally begun as an alternative for impecunious local misfits, artists and others to pursue liberal arts, basket weaving and anthropology. A sort of post-high school nursery for beatniks, dopers and dropouts.

 

[UKMikey]

Evergreen State College was originally begun as an alternative for impecunious local misfits, artists and others to pursue liberal arts, basket weaving and anthropology. A sort of post-high school nursery for beatniks, dopers and dropouts.

Which kinds of begs the question as to how their behaviour is a barometer for what's politically correct in the wider society. It's just more freakshow point-and-laugh posting. The human zoo.

 

[Dotini]

Which kinds of begs the question as to how their behaviour is a barometer for what's politically correct in the wider society. It's just more freakshow point-and-laugh posting. The human zoo.

A number of my chums attended Evergreen back in the day. As Hegel and others have noted, history and people have two incarnations, the first as tragedy, the second as farce.

 

[Dennisch]

Going from fighting against segregation to wanting segregation in 60 years. MLK is spinning so hard in his grave he's turning into a perpetual motion machine.

 

[Dotini]

Going from fighting against segregation to wanting segregation in 60 years. MLK is spinning so hard in his grave he's turning into a perpetual motion machine.

Please lead us in a chorus of The World Turned Upside Down.


Surrender of Cornwallis at Yorktown by John Trumbull, (depiction of 1781 event).
"The World Turned Upside Down" is an English ballad.

 

[UKMikey]

Maybe I could post this as a counterpoint.

Princeton Professor Cancels Seattle Talk Following Deluge of Racist Threats

 

[TenEightyOne]

http://nypost.com/2017/05/31/college-melts-down-over-plan-for-white-people-free-day-on-campus/

"Protestors" at Evergreen State College called for a "day without white people" and melted down over a white professor attending the school that day after he refers to the day as, "an act of oppression in and of itself". Consequently he, and apparently others according to the video, were barraged with a stream of profanities from hysterical students and deemed a racist. Of course now they want him fired. The Chief of Police has told him it's no longer safe for him to be on campus. Students claim the video was stolen by "white supremacists" and should be taken down.

Note: I was going to put this story up in the Funny News Stories thread because it fits quite well there too, but don't want to be accused of being a spammer

If everything as the report suggests then it's very hard to see what they hope to gain through this action. I'm guessing the main wish was for publicity but they didn't think that through at all well.

 

[ryzno]

Don't forget the woman only preview of the new Wonder Woman movie.
I'll put a link later, on my phone.
It's like we want to reverse everything...

 

[Danoff]

http://nypost.com/2017/05/31/college-melts-down-over-plan-for-white-people-free-day-on-campus/

"Protestors" at Evergreen State College called for a "day without white people" and melted down over a white professor attending the school that day after he refers to the day as, "an act of oppression in and of itself". Consequently he, and apparently others according to the video, were barraged with a stream of profanities from hysterical students and deemed a racist. Of course now they want him fired. The Chief of Police has told him it's no longer safe for him to be on campus. Students claim the video was stolen by "white supremacists" and should be taken down.

Note: I was going to put this story up in the Funny News Stories thread because it fits quite well there too, but don't want to be accused of being a spammer

I don't know what else anyone expects after a decade or two of non-stop blaming white people and calling everyone a closet racist. Over-the-top rhetoric about how cops have declared war on black people, and non-stop cherry picking of the news about black people killed by cops (despite white people also being killed by cops), and a constant barrage of "white privilege" justifying the accusation that it is impossible for white people to understand what it's like to be any other color in the US results in people believing that nonsense and hating white people.

Want to help people get ahead in life? Quit claiming that all of their problems are caused by others and get them to take some personal responsibility. Tell someone that the system is rigged against them and that no matter how hard they try they'll never overcome, and they'll naturally turn to violence and hatred.

 

[UKMikey]

Alternatively, I was just listening to a Tracy Chapman album on Spotify and was surprised to discover that she along with REM and 10,000 Maniacs were responsible for PC.

https://open.spotify.com/artist/7oPgCQqMMXEXrNau5vxYZP/about

At the time of her first album, there were only a handful of artists performing such a style successfully, and her success ushered in a new era of singer/songwriters that lasted well into the '90s. Furthermore, her album helped usher in the era of political correctness -- along with 10,000 Maniacs and R.E.M., Chapman's liberal politics proved enormously influential on American college campuses in the late '80s.

It's hard to equate the easy-on-the-air radio friendly rock of Chapman and her contemporaries with the violent hate rallies at today's US universities - going further to demonstrate that far from an attempt to "reverse everything" political correctness is a nebulous concept which means whatever the speaker wishes it to mean as I've been asserting throughout this thread.

 

[Danoff]

Maybe I could post this as a counterpoint.

Princeton Professor Cancels Seattle Talk Following Deluge of Racist Threats

That's not actually a counterpoint, just more racism.

 

[UKMikey]

That's not actually a counterpoint, just more racism.

If it's not a counter example to previous posts, then how does it result from decades of calling for white privilege, blaming white people and calling everyone a closet racist?

Trying to pin down this political correctness stuff is akin to trying to nail jelly to a wall.

 

[Danoff]

If it's not a counter example to previous posts, then how does it result from decades of calling for white privilege, blaming white people and calling everyone a closet racist?

What? I never said the events in your article came from those things. What was a posted was an example of racism against a white person. What you posted is an example of racism against (presumably?) a black person. The example of racism against a black person is not a counterpoint to racism against white people. It's just another example of racism. My comments were aimed specifically at more recent examples of racism against white people.

 

[UKMikey]

What? I never said the events in your article came from those things. What was a posted was an example of racism against a white person. What you posted is an example of racism against (presumably?) a black person. The example of racism against a black person is not a counterpoint to racism against white people. It's just another example of racism. My comments were aimed specifically at more recent examples of racism against white people.

It's a counterpoint to the idea that the world has turned upside down. "MLK is spinning in his grave so hard" suggests to me that the fight against white on black racism is over. That simply isn't the case.

 

[Danoff]

"MLK is spinning in his grave so hard" suggests to me that the fight against white on black racism is over. That simply isn't the case.

I don't want to put words in @Dennisch 's mouth, so I'll use his words

Going from fighting against segregation to wanting segregation in 60 years.

This in reference to a "day without white people". That's a desire for segregation in the name of "equality", which is, I believe, why he said MLK is spinning in his grave... because he fought against segregation. Here's what MLK said

I have a dream that one day on the red hills of Georgia, the sons of former slaves and the sons of former slave owners will be able to sit down together at the table of brotherhood.

Do you think he'd support the "sons of former slaves" refusing to sit with the "sons of former slave owners" (not that it's that cut and dry in this case).

So, again, posting an example of racism against black people is not a rebuttal to the notion that MLK would not support a call for segregation.

 

[huskeR32]

Don't forget the woman only preview of the new Wonder Woman movie.

How is that an example of political correctness?

 

[TenEightyOne]

Don't forget the woman only preview of the new Wonder Woman movie.

Or the man only golf clubs.

 

[UKMikey]

So, again, posting an example of racism against black people is not a rebuttal to the notion that MLK would not support a call for segregation.

It's a crazy stunt and the students' reaction to people who didn't agree with it is even crazier but a one day event like this sounds like a stunt rather than an example of permanent MLK-era-style society-wide segregation.

 

[Danoff]

It's a crazy stunt and the students's reaction to people who didn't agree with it is even crazier but a one day event like this sounds like a stunt rather than an example of permanent MLK-era-style society-wide segregation.

I don't think anyone argued that it is MLK-era-style society-wide segregation. They'd surely be wrong to do so. But, then again, it doesn't have to be to go against his message, ostensibly in the name of his message.

 

[huskeR32]

I don't think anyone argued that it is MLK-era-style society-wide segregation.

Uhh...

Going from fighting against segregation to wanting segregation in 60 years. MLK is spinning so hard in his grave he's turning into a perpetual motion machine.

 

[Danoff]

Uhh...

You and @UKMikey can't possibly be missing that point. Since I'm confused by your confusion, please elaborate. What exactly do you think is an advocating "MLK-era-style society-wide segregation" in that post and why?

 

[UKMikey]

Uhh...

Clearly it's only a one-day perpetual motion machine. There are big differences between the segregation MLK fought against and this temporary craziness. If they had advocated permanently banning white people from the college it might be another story.

 

[huskeR32]

You and @UKMikey can't possibly be missing that point. Since I'm confused by your confusion, please elaborate. What exactly do you think is an advocating "MLK-era-style society-wide segregation" in that post and why?

He described the Evergreen State College situation as "wanting segregation," and then he invoked MLK. I'd have to go out of my way to not interpret that as a counter example to this:

I don't think anyone argued that it is MLK-era-style society-wide segregation.

 

[mustafur]

He described the Evergreen State College situation as "wanting segregation," and then he invoked MLK. I'd have to go out of my way to not interpret that as a counter example to this:

You answered your self.