[POLL] United States Presidential Elections 2016

[Pillo-san]

Who pays the government again?



Oh right the taxpayers.



Is it not the same idea? Government taking money from people and then redistributing it? And how exactly do you propose that they only pay "very little tax?"

Not pay for all those military programs

 

[squadops]

Not pay for all those military programs

Sure, let us not pay for one of the few things that the federal government is designed to cover

 

[Turbotwin01]

Who pays the government again?



Oh right the taxpayers.



Is it not the same idea? Government taking money from people and then redistributing it? And how exactly do you propose that they only pay "very little tax?"

I guess it is basically the same thing, but if people are not forced to help others plenty wont do so out of greed. Its just picking between which one is less likely to fail and too me a health care system primarily funded through taxes would fail the least and provide people the best oppurtinitys.

Also taxes would be so minimal on a person who was homless or close too it thatit wouldn't account for much but the little they contribute could be put to use in order to help them. Whether the government could actually do that is another story though.

 

[Pillo-san]

Sure, let us not pay for one of the few things that the federal government is designed to cover

What, You want to have the right to carry guns and be able to defend yourself from/if the country goes bananas on the population but you do not want to limit/restrict a bit of the funding to a military that have more than everybody else in the world probably put together? It seems I just can not follow/get you.

 

[squadops]

Have you ever bothered to read our constitution?

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

you really should not need more then that, somehow I have the feeling you don't know what it means.

 

[Pillo-san]

No, so what? Does it say how high percentage of the bnp the military get? Is it set in stone? You know I could ask you this, have you read old testament? You know you can stone and kill people in the name of justice/revenge. Why should an old and outdated piece of paper give you any rights. It is just some words written by wealthy slave owners, It got nothing to do with today's modern society.

Your military could coupe d'etat and you could wave your holy constitution around and it would not protect you the sightless. Like I have said, you do not care for peace and freedom, just obedience and lack of equality when you not even question the humongous waste of your resources on the military.

 

[squadops]

Well if you cannot even be bothered to read the law of our land, I am at a loss.

 

[Pillo-san]

So because of a piece of paper you are magically protected against injustice/violence and slavery because it is the law. Man, that is some divine piece of paper with biblical proportionate Law written on it. I mean If the stone commandments from God himself could not survive how do you think the constitution of USA can protect its citizens.

You are dreaming, one day USA will fall like all the other great Empires. Just like The Roman Empire USA is wasting it resources on Military might, one day it will be its undoing. No infrastructure or its citizens will be able to support it, and no paper with some law will protect its people. I only hope that USA does not take rest of us down with it when it falls. I really do like USA but its way of doing stuff is pure madness..

 

[squadops]

That is right. We've been around this long and on top, stop trying to bring us down to your lower tear

Oh wait just a sec, take you down with us? So you are admitting just how strong and just we are

I love it, at least you see it.

 

[Pillo-san]

That is right. We've been around this long and on top, stop trying to bring us down to your lower tear

Oh wait just a sec, take you down with us? So you are admitting just how strong and just we are

I love it, at least you see it.

What? why should I admit anything when it is pretty much accepted by the whole world. USA is the most powerful nation in the world. But it is only because of its military might. The thing is, USA was the ray of light before but now, it is left behind in pretty much everything. Time to modernize? Time for Bernie?

And when I say modernize I do not mean the beautifully sounding V8 muscle cars, pure magic

 

[squadops]

We need some work for sure, I've said that too many times already. What we need however is so far away from Bernie I cannot even come up with a metaphore.

It's not only military, it's innovation and who knows where that might lead, one thing I do know, socialism does not breed it.

 

[CodeRedR51]

That is right. We've been around this long and on top, stop trying to bring us down to your lower tear

Wow.

 

[squadops]

Wow.

I honestly believe it is true, I'm not a cocky jerk and if we become cocky jerks we shall fall, we will fall eventually anyway but can you sight me another country, empire, whatever that matches our success and tenure? All empires fall, I have this sickening feeling that some wish for it, that is why I said what I did.

I want us to be a more responsible people, I want us to be a people that leave others alone, I want to see what I quoted some posts back, should I bring it up yet again?

Why should success be frowned upon? Do you feel guilty? God forbid.

 

[Pillo-san]

The thing is, when I wrote ray of light before I did only think about White and those that were not classified as poor people. Just like other Great Empires a lot of its success was possible by exploiting others. Americas indigence natives and black slaves, poor workers did pay with their own lives. I do not think those that laid their life on the line are as proud as you are over the success of USA.

Even up to this day, USA is allowing through legislation, for the companies to take advantage of ordinary workers. Man, do you not see that more equality is what Sanders stands for. Bernie is by far the only sane person of all candidates this time around. Even though he could be elected president he still would not be able to do squat/iota, Look how it is today. Has Obama had any success in doing anything he wanted promised? No.

 

[CodeRedR51]

...and if we become cocky jerks we shall fall,

Too late for that.

All empires fall, I have this sickening feeling that some wish for it, that is why I said what I did.

We've been on a downward trend since the 70's. And if someone like Trump becomes president, we're done for.

I want us to be a more responsible people, I want us to be a people that leave others alone...

As do I. This goes back to why I don't support why our troops are out risking their lives right now.

Why should success be frowned upon? Do you feel guilty? God forbid.

Who said I wouldn't like us to succeed? Here you go with assumptions again. This is why I support Elon Musk, Tesla and SpaceX as much as I do. American companies (despite the fact he was born south African) doing great things with ambitious goals and loads of motivation to put us on the map again.

 

[squadops]

👍 accept for the troop bit, let me put it in the most simple term I can think of, it's one thing to stick your thumb in the pie, once it's been twisted around you don't simply get to run home to mama.

It will take many years to correct our mistakes.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Sure, let us not pay for one of the few things that the federal government is designed to cover

I don't think he meant that, I think he meant that the U.S. shouldn't be spending as much money as we do as a nation in defense. I tend to agree with this, considering this money could be allocated to other areas.

 

[squadops]

There is a very limited scope to the federal government based on the constitution, one of the most important is national defence I'm sure you agree.

Our endeavors in that field have yielded so many scientific advances it's not even funny. I am all for it.

Besides the positive aspect, in reality we protect the world.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

There is a very limited scope to the federal government based on the constitution, one of the most important is national defence I'm sure you agree.

Our endeavors in that field have yielded so many scientific advances it's not even funny. I am all for it.

Actually no. Scientific advancements get yielded all the time without ever being implemented through military contracts and engineering. I've seen this first hand be done at the University level far outside the realm of military, it's when the military gets wind of it that there are possible uses for that field. Any group of research engineers are easily going to say yes to funding from the Military, doesn't mean it started their or was the reason it ever got birth.

Also, defense is fine, but what a lot of the budget is spent on in regards to foreign policy between both political parties, is a joke to me.

 

[Pillo-san]

@squadops

USA protects the world? From its own creations, perhaps. You do realize that this latest destabilisation in Middle East is all caused by a "dick measuring contest" with Soviet/Russia?

USA does not protect the world, it enforces its rule and protects its interests in and over rest of the world.
Middle East would be as modern as western countries without USA and Russia playing king of the hill. Just look at all those pictures and movies from a while ago. Women dressing in normal trendy clothes, men and women dancing/going to school together.... protecting? Ah you confused protecting with destroying, ah now I get you.

And before that USA protected...Vietnam.
Have you not watched footage of when your precious soldiers murder innocent human beings by controlling drones/or sitting in a tank and then laughing at the comedy of it all. Oh so fun it must be to "protect" the world.

Man, USA should protect its own people in its own country first before even try to protect all of us. But to be fair I would like to be protected by USA if I needed help. OK maybe not that kind of help when soldiers end my life, because I have promised myself not to die, but if I die it should be by mine own choice


My posts seems so dark, and so anti USA, well in some way I am because I kind of expect big brother to behave in an exemplary manner so that we can look up to you. But right now, man it is kinda hard and the thing is our politicians and companies are copying your way of conducting yourselves... And we do notice how much worse the USA way of doing is.


America by Rammstein hits the spot.

 

[Joel]

Well you either pay for health care or you pay stupid amounts out of pocket for medical treatment without it. Either way you're screwed.

Key word there is you. I suspect the issue is being forced to pay for other people's services.

Argue about the wisdom all you want, I don't agree with that viewpoint and support the idea of universal health care. The viewpoint is valid and it's not wrong to say it's a loss of freedom. I in no way feel unfree living in places with universal health care but the fact is I do not have a choice about whether I pay for health care, or how much I pay.

 

[mustafur]

Key word there is you. I suspect the issue is being forced to pay for other people's services.

Argue about the wisdom all you want, I don't agree with that viewpoint and support the idea of universal health care. The viewpoint is valid and it's not wrong to say it's a loss of freedom. I in no way feel unfree living in places with universal health care but the fact is I do not have a choice about whether I pay for health care, or how much I pay.

Wait so you only have the public option, in Australia we have Public and Private options, a pretty good medium as it takes pressure off the public system for those that can afford better care.

Either way I don't have a problem with universal healthcare but it can't be claimed as a right and that is a big criticism I have with Sanders on this.

It's not possible to have a right to someone's service unless you admit it's slavery.

 

[Joel]

Wait so you only have the public option, in Australia we have Public and Private options, a pretty good medium as it takes pressure off the public system for those that can afford better care.

We have private options as well but you can't choose to opt out of public health insurance. In Canada most doctors' offices and many hospitals are privately run and receive payment from the public insurance we have.

 

[Danoff]

We've been on a downward trend since the 70's.

 

[squadops]

Broken link @Danoff unless it's just me.

EDIT see it now 👍

 

[huskeR32]

but can you sight me another country, empire, whatever that matches our success and tenure?

In terms of tenure, the Ottomans (624 years), Romans (503), and the Han (426) all have at least two centuries on us.

Relative levels of "success" between civilizations separated by vast amounts of time, and existing in very different contexts, are naturally difficult (impossible?) to determine. But arguments can certainly be made that one or more of them matched or exceeded, during their time, what the US is now.

 

[squadops]

I could of said modern I guess, but I'm hopeful for better things yet to come 👍

 

[Pillo-san]

You do know how those are really measured? You simply take the wealth/amount of the citizens. Does not really tell that everyone in the country has that amount of wealth. If small group of people have 90% of the country's of wealth it will still give this twisted picture

 

[squadops]

And you do know that most of our poor are still better off?

 

[Danoff]

In terms of tenure, the Ottomans (624 years), Romans (503), and the Han (426) all have at least two centuries on us.

Relative levels of "success" between civilizations separated by vast amounts of time, and existing in very different contexts, are naturally difficult (impossible?) to determine. But arguments can certainly be made that one or more of them matched or exceeded, during their time, what the US is now.

Like you say, it's difficult to determine. None of those had an arsenal that could wipe any opposing nation off the planet at the push of a button, or the power to essentially wreck the planet at the push of a button.

In some ways the US hasn't come close to them. In others, they never got close to the US.

You do know how those are really measured? You simply take the wealth/amount of the citizens. Does not really tell that everyone in the country has that amount of wealth. If small group of people have 90% of the countries of wealth it will still give this twisted picture

Feel free to insert your own definition that shows a decline since the 70s. I've given you a fairly objective one. I know that today the obsession is not with how much you have but with whether or not you have as much as your neighbor, but economically it's a meaningless standard.