[POLL] United States Presidential Elections 2016
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The Republicans aren't too happy with him:
http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2015-...rk-turns-republican-party-against-him/6683370
And you can't really write it off as "politically corrects fools". Some things just aren't done - like suggesting that a woman is menstruating because ahe asked you a difficult, legitimate question.
http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2015-...rk-turns-republican-party-against-him/6683370
And you can't really write it off as "politically corrects fools". Some things just aren't done - like suggesting that a woman is menstruating because ahe asked you a difficult, legitimate question.
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If this is fresh air, I don't want to be breathing it. Every time Trump opens his mouth, the air gets this sulphurous, methane-y quality to it. Like satan's farts.
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Sorry but the goal for FOX Thursday was to make him pressured from the start. Why was he the only one to receive two direct questions at the start, and no one else?
It was completely and wholly unfair, and even co-hosts have bashed her in too.
And is it just me, but did she not set herself up for it and the Walker question too?
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It's acceptable to counter difficult questioning with the accusation that such questioning is simply due to the the questioners menstruation?
Such is the nature of a Trump. Even silent is deadly.
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Because he's an misogynistic, egocentric and almost certainly racist idiot running around television spewing the same sort of garbage that you find in a Youtube comments section, and Fox was trying really hard to make it abundantly clear that he was because it is in Fox's best interest that he stop pretending that he's running for President as soon as possible. That isn't to say that the attempt didn't backfire, but if Trump wanted a fair fight in a televised political debate he probably shouldn't have acted so much like everyone expected Donald Trump to act like from the very beginning.
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I really think the Republicans need to rethink their campaign, the ones they've rolled up thus far have been questionable at best. I haven't really looked at the Democrats yet, but from the few I've seen tossed around I'm not exactly impressed with them either. Looks like 2016 is going to be yet another election year that doesn't actually change anything in the US.
And on the topic of Donald Trump, that guy is just comical, almost like Newt Gingrich...but unlike Trump, Gingrich promised me a Moon base.
And on the topic of Donald Trump, that guy is just comical, almost like Newt Gingrich...but unlike Trump, Gingrich promised me a Moon base.
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So Trump is the victim in all of this?
That tells you everything you need to know about him - how is he going to address relations with Cuba, the future of the Iranian nuclear deal, and the continuing threat posed by ISIL if he's so thin-skinned that he cannot handle one aggressive journalist?
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I can see it now ...
"In breaking news, President Trump went on another Twitter rampage this morning after Germany refused to include production costs for season eleven of 'The Apprentice: National Economics Adviser' in their latest bailout. Chancellor Angela Merkel responded by saying that there was nothing less threatening than a Twitter rampage, reflecting public sentiment as exit polling shows that 97% of Americans believe Vladimir Putin would be a better President."
"In breaking news, President Trump went on another Twitter rampage this morning after Germany refused to include production costs for season eleven of 'The Apprentice: National Economics Adviser' in their latest bailout. Chancellor Angela Merkel responded by saying that there was nothing less threatening than a Twitter rampage, reflecting public sentiment as exit polling shows that 97% of Americans believe Vladimir Putin would be a better President."
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Is that a question for me?
Sorry, but apparently that's what people like about him. There are those who have said they find someone appealing who speaks out what they view as wrong in the most blunt way possible, and then there are those that think it should require a study group to prepare a speech in order to say, "I f'ed up"...
That was by far the funniest thing I've ever seen during elections.
Yes. I've said the very same thing before about others, maybe in different context but it still applies here. It's no different than the Q about his business falling out in NJ. I remember watching my local news (in Atlanta) saying he was pulling out, and thought that was the smartest thing to do as that place is basically a dust bowl.. And to be questioned about his business motives provided that the economy there was stable for some time, and totally ignoring to acknowledge that is beyond me.
See above.
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Sorry, but if you're going to spend the entire campaign up to the point of the first political debate acting with zero political decorum (nevermind the 20 years of prior baggage he has that most people are already aware of), you shouldn't expect to be coddled when you are actually forced to act in a political manner. It makes no difference if people secretly like that he's the only one saying what they want to be true. It's not Fox's (or next month, CNN's) job to protect Trump from himself when he spends his first month as a Legitimate Presidential Candidate™ saying illegal immigrants are rapists and purposely releasing personal phone numbers of political rivals because they badmouthed him and etc; and it's certainly not Fox's job to deliberately not ask him more questions about why a complete asshole with zero political experience beyond acting as his own corporate lobbyist should be president that they by default (even ignoring the Trump factor) wouldn't have to ask a Senator from Kentucky, a former Governor of Florida, current Governor of New Jersey, etc.
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The man wants to be President. The purpose of the debate was to give the candidates the opportunity to present their understanding of policy issues to the American public. You don't think that questions directly related to his experience in those matters are relevant?
Furthermore, why shouldn't journalists ask difficult questions about these issues given that the candidates each want to be the leader of three hundred million people?
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I'm sure we all aren't expecting him to be treated differently from others, but then again, I'm sure we all aren't expecting those conducting the debate to force themselves into issues.
But a brain surgeon with oodles of degrees is better?
It was a relevant question to the matter, but was not as to how they asked him as if they thought it immediately went broke on opening day.
Why don't we just ask him where he gets his RB211's serviced at for his jet? Does he pay with cash or just a wire? What difference does it matter asking non-relevant questions in the past, that he or no one else has no intention to bring up again. All the point of that was by FOX was to stir up the crowd. Half of those in the arena were laughing, as was I. But I was not one who looked around and stopped because 'it was the right thing to do'. No, that's how I viewed the situation.
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"And then, let's put him in an election against the woman with all of the political experience!"
I'm trying, but I just can't summon up any degree of sympathy for the persecution of the rich, white, older conservative-voting male. Clearly I'm racist, sexist, ageist, politicist and socio-economist for doing so. Or mot doing so. I don't know anymore.
The point is that Trump is a demagogue. He appeals to the fear and prejudice of the lowest common denominator. And he's probably still reeling from being on the receiving end of the greatest come-uppance in history, demanding to see Obama's birth certificate, only for Obama to reveal that bin Laden had been found. But if he wants to appeal to those fears and prejudices, then he should not be surprised - and certainly has no cause to complain - when someone turns those tactics on him. Was it a witch hunt? Maybe. But Trump has led several of his own in the past. I doubt FOX did anything that he didn't teach them.
The irony is that while the villainy he teaches, they will execute, and while it may be hard, they shall be better in the instruction. I doubt Trump would understand the reference, though.
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I'm sorry, but I can't fight stupidity alone.... that's just a cause too grand with too small of a reward.
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What stupidity is being fought exactly? Trump is running a platform that appeals to the LCD of voters in America. The ones that don't care about racism and hate immigrants and are full of fear of progression and hate "Political Correctness".
Personally, I feel the voting for Trump isn't the right thing to do as he's not going to touch the actual issues that need to be addressed.
Personally, I feel the voting for Trump isn't the right thing to do as he's not going to touch the actual issues that need to be addressed.
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Someone who isn't a grandstanding, self-important idiot with twenty years of all forms of media showing just how much of a grandstanding, self-important idiot he is (even before he announced political candidacy) would be better, yes; regardless of their schooling. I mean, clearly the point was lost for why I compared him to various people with actual political experience that Fox didn't spend most of the night attacking, but his biggest contribution to American culture, his best showing of how he knows how to mediate matters of import between world powers, was a recently cancelled reality show where he presided over Meat Loaf threatening to beat up Gary Busey for allegedly stealing arts and crafts supplies. Whose most important political achievement to date is claiming that he personally was the one who got Obama to release a birth certificate to prove that Obama was actually eligible to become President of the United States (and that's why Trump decided not to run against him in 2012). Whose best understanding of first amendment rights, in response to that last thing no less, led to him suing Bill Maher for $5 million dollars for joking about Trump's own birth history. Whose extensive experience in international relations caused him to claim as one of his first campaign platforms that Mexico, a country that is a political ally and a major industrial partner, has an actual policy to send rapists and criminals to the United States so they don't have to deal with them that he will put a stop to. And you're saying it's unfair that Fox spent more time going after him and trying to trip him up than they did asking other candidates questions?
For crying out loud, what lens of America are you defending where you're asserting that "Trump 2016" needs to be taken seriously by political commentators during an actual political debate where he deflects hilariously sexist comments by claiming he only really meant them in response to one person? We all hate Rosie O'Donnell, but that doesn't really make it a Presidential platform. What Devil's Advocate do you think you're playing for where you're arguing that Fox News was too hard on Donald Trump when it came to asking him why he should be President of the United States? Who cares how much he appeals to people as being real and not afraid to provoke controversy and not afraid of the PC police when he is still Donald 🤬 Trump?
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So your solution is to vote for stupidity?
I know that it's vapid "entertainment", but it could be taken as a subtle political metaphor for America's handling of post-Hussein Iraq. Although since Trump lacks nuance, it's probably not a metaphor.
Hipster politics? Un-politics? Anti-politics? I'm trying to think of a good name for it - where you "ironically" vote for the worst possible candidate for the sole purpose of pointing out just how bad he is and highlighting voter apathy. And if that means giving a self-aggrandising fringe lunatic with no sense of shame or self-control - or policy platform - unfettered access to a nuclear arsenal, you do it without asking any questions. Even if he declared war on China twice within a week of assuming the Presidency.
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I wouldn't call Trump a fascist. That's being unfair to fascists. No, Trump is a Trumpist (and I suppose his followers are Trumpets); the only thing Donald Trump believes in is Donald Trump. The only policy Trump has is whatever is good for Trump.
If fascism (which is surprisingly hard to define; thank you, internet, for over-using it and using it out of context) is the boot on the government on the thoat of the people, then Trumpism is the boot of Trump on the throat of the government, which has its boot on the throat of the people.
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Protesters drive Bernie Sanders from one Seattle stage, and 15,000 turn up at the next one!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...t-disrupted-by-black-lives-matter-protesters/
Oddly, both the firmly socialist Sanders and the shifty chameleon Trump say they are for a single payer health care system, although sometimes I think Trump will say just about anything in order to get attention.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...t-disrupted-by-black-lives-matter-protesters/
Oddly, both the firmly socialist Sanders and the shifty chameleon Trump say they are for a single payer health care system, although sometimes I think Trump will say just about anything in order to get attention.
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Trump is the true definition of a populist. He'll receive a lot of votes for it, and if those votes aren't for the Republican camp with Trump leading it, this race is over.
It would be hilarious though if Trump wins the election, and brings the USA to the biggest economic boom ever. And on top of that, how much damage can he actually do if even the Republican senate members will be critical of his ideas?
It would be hilarious though if Trump wins the election, and brings the USA to the biggest economic boom ever. And on top of that, how much damage can he actually do if even the Republican senate members will be critical of his ideas?
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I agree. Trump shouldn't be coddled when all Kelly did was ask the same type of pointed questions that anyone in the media (left or right) would grill him for if he is indeed elected. Did she do it to send a message? You bet she did, but it was the duty of the frontrunner to have a bit of a filter when handling situations like that and his attack on FOX proves that he had none.
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