[POLL] United States Presidential Elections 2016

[Danoff]

http://reason.com/blog/2016/07/25/bernie-sanders-delegates-dnc-floor-fight

I was waiting for the "of course that's outright communism" punchline.

 

[Johnnypenso]

It's got to be especially galling for Bernie supporters that the recent email release seems to show the DNC bent Bernie over and gave it to him from behind and there he is, up on stage, asking them to vote for the person who orchestrated his demise, using the very tactics he railed against during his entire campaign. It makes him look feckless and weak to the point of being pathetic. IMO of course.

 

[Tornado]

So many Trump supporters have a feigned compassionate opinion about Sanders supporters today...
Sanders did what he had to do, you play by the rule, or you don't, but not both ways on a given election

Now, I know living in France gives you the best understanding of how American politicians have to operate; but maybe, just maybe, people in this thread have a bit more complex political beliefs than "I'm voting for Trump so I might as well attack a candidate who isn't even running anymore just because he was in the other party".

 

[Milouse]

but maybe, just maybe, people in this thread have a bit more complex political beliefs

I'm referring to what they write, not what they actually believe.
And don't worry, Trump views, strong political experience, passion for truth and consistency, as well as top notch elegance have already made the "outside world" look at this election with a mix of disbelief and worried fascination. And, of course, hope among neo fascists and your ennemis.

 

[fumunaplz]

I'm referring to what they write, not what they actually believe.
And don't worry, Trump views, strong political experience, passion for truth and consistency, as well as top notch elegance have already made the "outside world" look at this election with a mix of disbelief and worried fascination. And, of course, hope among neo fascists and your ennemis.

Wait, some of us write what we do not believe?

I know there are some Trump supporters in this thread, nothing wrong with that. I am not in that camp by a very long stretch, I have not only a right but in my eyes an obligation to put Bernie down. He turned out to be a sell out.

 

[Tornado]

I'm referring to what they write, not what they actually believe.

And what is being written isn't in line with how you're responding either.

And don't worry, Trump views, strong political experience, passion for truth and consistency, as well as top notch elegance have already made the "outside world" look at this election with a mix of disbelief and worried fascination. And, of course, hope among neo fascists and your ennemis.

I don't particularly care what people outside of North America think about an American political election, but if your lack of understanding of what is being said in this thread today (nevermind your arrogance in dictating to politically active members that Bernie had to do what he did) is in line the rest of the outside world I don't think I'm missing much.



The hint, since I doubt you'll get it this time either since once again you just went back to the well of mocking Trump as if that is a counterpoint itself, is that thinking Bernie Sanders sold out by endorsing Clinton doesn't mean that someone is a Trump supporter.

 

[Milouse]

Maybe France shouldn't have lost then.

It didn't as a matter of fact.

I know living in France gives you the best understanding of how American politicians have to operate

Funny, because i'm the one defending how the american politician did operate, in accordance to how most of them did in the past in US and in any other Primary in other country. The concept is the same everywhere: a pre-election to (try to) ensure unity for the true election.

Wait, some of us write what we do not believe?

That is not what i wrote.
It means i can only judge and comment what is written, not complexity of their belief (i don't doubt something is complex in the "belief", to be honest)

Anyway, time to sleep...

 

[fumunaplz]

Is there not a large interest in U.S. politics abroad for a reason? We have much influence and it is a good thing that we vote for ourselves in whatever capacity.

It seems to me that some outside our country are putting us down and making jokes of who we are, if that is the case then keep on laughing.

Some of us are doing our best.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Here is what gets me about this as I explained in my post. Bernie created this, juggernaut and then said "eh, remember what I created your image in yeah forget about it...please pretty please."

The whole brother and sisters thing and then condescending "we live in the real world", yeah it didn't change their ideas they still were pissed and betrayed. That there basically undoes was Husker is trying to prove, but I already had worries about arguing with someone who is already set in a camp.

 

[Milouse]

I don't particularly care what people outside of North America think about an American political election, but if your lack of understanding of what is being said in this thread today (nevermind your arrogance in dictating to politically active members that Bernie had to do what he did) is in line the rest of the outside world I don't think I'm missing much.

That is arrogance.
Since Bush, the last one, messed in Irak, which led to the birth of Isis and ended in many deaths in my country, i do legitimately care of what is going in US elections, and i do have interest in politic anyway.
Beside, my country is clear on my profile, i knew i was going to have this sort of comment by someone weak on arguments. GTP has a lot of non-american members, maybe you should take that into account when you choose this forum to write about any subject.

 

[fumunaplz]

When is the last time a gtp member considered with any interest an election in France?

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

That is arrogance.
Since Bush, the last one, messed in Irak, which led to the birth of Isis and ended in many deaths in my country, i do legitimately care of what is going in US elections, and i do have interest in politic anyway.
Beside, my country is clear on my profile, i knew i was going to have this sort of comment by someone weak on arguments. GTP has a lot of non-american members, maybe you should take that into account when you choose this forum to write about any subject.

What? Don't go the "credible" path with your U.S. history please, that guy does enough I think. And if you actually cared you wouldn't make vague passing comments that amount to actual hyperbole.

 

[fumunaplz]

We gave France a bone when we lifted sanctions with Iran, who buys their oil now?

Very nasty business these wars and such are, the truth is that France benefits from most every dirty deed that the U.S. may think up.

 

[Milouse]

When is the last time a gtp member considered with any interest an election in France?

There're few reason that people should do, unless France end with a populist government (next stop in 10 month).

What? Don't go the "credible" path with your U.S. history please, that guy does enough I think. And if you actually cared you wouldn't make vague passing comments that amount to actual hyperbole.

You'll need to be less cryptic and more specific, i have little clue about what you mean in the end.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

You'll need to be less cryptic and more specific, i have little clue about what you mean in the end.

Show proof Bush was responsible for ISIS, and not just some hipster like reality of politics. You're bolded portion from the original post is about as good as "Tim, jet fuel can't melt steel beams Tim. Just cant!"

 

[Milouse]

We gave France a bone when we lifted sanctions with Iran, who buys their oil now?
Very nasty business these wars and such are, the truth is that France benefits from most every dirty deed that the U.S. may think up.

Point in the thread?
None.

How about stopping this pathetic ad hominem desperate collective attack?

 

[fumunaplz]

There're few reason that people should do, unless France end with a populist government (next stop in 10 month).

Show me the thread, do you realize how much attention this thread has vs. your most likely non existent one?

 

[Milouse]

Show proof Bush was responsible for ISIS, and not just some hipster like reality of politics. You're bolded portion from the original post is about as good as "Tim, jet fuel can't melt steel beams Tim. Just cant!"

Nice try, but this is not a bold comment.
This is not the place to make an history of Shia and Sunni Islam in Irak, but now i put these keyword on the comments, google should do the rest if you want to know more.

 

[fumunaplz]

Point in the thread?
None.

How about stopping this pathetic ad hominem desperate collective attack?

Exactly, there is no point to your ramblings. I am not attacking you in anyway, I stated very clearly that it is not at all surprising that people outside the u.s. have an interest in our election, that is what I did.

To point out that France benefits from the u.s. is not a sin, so what? We help you.

 

[Milouse]

Show me the thread, do you realize how much attention this thread has vs. your most likely non existent one?

What are you talking about. I said there is no reason for people to talk about this, so why do you want me to point to a non existent thread... that nobody claims it exists?

I need a big rest, this pack tired me. A night, in fact...

 

[Tornado]

It didn't as a matter of fact.

How much was that clawing at you?

Funny, because i'm the one defending how the american politician did operate

Which would be more admirable if you were doing it with any knowledge about how Bernie gained much of the support he did or who it came from. There is a member who frequently posted in this topic who is part of the 10% or however many of Bernie supporters who never even considered following him into Clinton's camp. While I don't want to speak for him, his complete disinterest in voting for Clinton after Sanders endorsed her seems to allude towards what has been said in this thread today. Assuming that is true, should we take from that that he is a Trump supporter too, as you were implying to be the case for everyone else in this discussion?

Since Bush, the last one, messed in Irak, which led to the birth of Isis and ended in many deaths in my country, i do legitimately care of what is going in US elections, and i do have interest in politic anyway

And you're perfectly free to have interest, but I'm under no obligation to care about the your interpretation of the European viewpoint when you try and swing around "the rest of the world is amused by your political candidate" as if it was an argument; or indeed as if Trump was my personal political candidate.

Beside, my country is clear on my profile, i knew i was going to have this sort of comment by someone weak on arguments.

It's amusing that you bring this up after you devolved your own arguments into "Trump supporters are gonna be Trump supporters, I guess." That you've kept ignoring how that isn't the case after it was pointed out to you, I've also noticed.

GTP has a lot of non-american members, maybe you should take that into account when you choose this forum to write about any subject.

Take what into account? The only reason I brought up your country was because you were, and still are, dictating to politically active North Americans why they shouldn't question the integrity of a grassroots political candidate after endorsing a rival many of his supporters hated everything about. You went so far as to nearly say that everyone doing so in the discussion was a Trump supporter. When most of the people from the rest of the world on this forum comment on American political situations, they seem to have a better grasp on what happened than just assuming that whoever they were arguing with vote the other party; hence the joke about your regional expertise.


Again, with how quick you were to tar people for being Trump supporters with no basis other than your assumption that only Trump supporters would think Sanders shouldn't have endorsed Clinton, for all you know you're telling people who would have voted for Bernie Sanders what they should feel about Bernie Sanders endorsing Clinton.

 

[fumunaplz]

I'm not a dunce, I said very clearly that people from other countries have an interest in an election conducted in the u.s. much more so than any other country.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Nice try, but this is not a bold comment.
This is not the place to make an history of Shia and Sunni Islam in Irak, but now i put these keyword on the comments, google should do the rest if you want to know more.

Then we'll take it to the America thread and you can explain there, and you know exaclty what bold comment I'm talking on.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Here is what gets me about this as I explained in my post. Bernie created this, juggernaut and then said "eh, remember what I created your image in yeah forget about it...please pretty please."

The whole brother and sisters thing and then condescending "we live in the real world", yeah it didn't change their ideas they still were pissed and betrayed. That there basically undoes was Husker is trying to prove, but I already had worries about arguing with someone who is already set in a camp.

"We live in the real world". What a slap in the face to anyone that bought into Sander's message.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

"We live in the real world". What a slap in the face to anyone that bought into Sander's message.

Which is why I brought it up it's almost condescending in nature, and some more extreme may take it be along the lines of this; "oh grow up, you actually thought the fairy tale I was selling would come true?" As if he didn't even believe what he was selling. Now I'm not say this is the case but people more in tune with him could probably extrapolate that from various other times he's talked post Hillary nomination

 

[mustafur]

CNN are having a massive wank festival at the Convention over Hillary.

The Bernie or Bust crowd are unruly just how they should be lol.

 

[UKMikey]

When is the last time a gtp member considered with any interest an election in France?

Plenty of foreigners horning in on the Brexit thread.

 

[CodeRedR51]

Which is why I brought it up it's almost condescending in nature, and some more extreme may take it be along the lines of this; "oh grow up, you actually thought the fairy tale I was selling would come true?" As if he didn't even believe what he was selling. Now I'm not say this is the case but people more in tune with him could probably extrapolate that from various other times he's talked post Hillary nomination

His facebook page is still spitting out the same stuff he was campaigning for/against though. I almost unliked the page when he spent nearly 2 weeks ranting about the GMO labeling crap because I got sick of seeing it.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Plenty of foreigners horning in on the Brexit thread.

I've seen them do it, but not to lengths I feel (and I'm probably wrong) that some come here and basically try to make this their personal comedy hour to escape the one going on in their nations political system.

However, just like here there are people who are trying to learn history in the making by asking questions to those who live there. @Touring Mars does it here, and so do others when they can't simply find a straight answer in a book or respectable web source. The user in question isn't doing such, rather just taking popular international generalizations and inserting them here. See the difference?

 

[UKMikey]

I've seen them do it, but not to lengths I feel (and I'm probably wrong) that some come here and basically try to make this their personal comedy hour to escape the one going on in their nations political system.

However, just like here there are people who are trying to learn history in the making by asking questions to those who live there. @Touring Mars does it here, and so do others when they can't simply find a straight answer in a book or respectable web source. The user in question isn't doing such, rather just taking popular international generalizations and inserting them here. See the difference?

I remember at least one foreign post in the Brexit thread that let us know in no uncertain terms how wrong we were to complain and advising us to suck it up and endure. So no, I don't "see the difference".