[POLL] United States Presidential Elections 2016

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

I said a lot, not a majority. I'm also going by recent news articles claiming he's seeing a surge in Hispanic support. But, I will concede to your link.


Wanting to use the term "undocumented immigrant" isn't a stance; the idiot admitted they were still illegals by technical definition. You're attempting to create some sort of debate so, let's rewind so you don't have to write another paragraph.

Johnson got upset because someone said the word "illegal". That's it; didn't answer the question at hand, just went off on a choice of word. That's what SJWs do when they get upset & if that's all it takes to get Johnson upset, yes, I would vote Hillary over him for that alone; don't want to know what other words upset him. Blacks? Fat people? Retarded? Whether or not you question why that's enough for me to vote that way doesn't bother me in the bit. His political stance has no influence on the decision either nor does it mean I somehow think Hillary is the "best" choice. They're all idiots and we're screwed for the next 4 years.

Him getting upset at a choice of rhetoric doesn't denote as I've already said SJW. The issue that you equally seem unhinged is and confusing as I've said yet again is the heart of things. The fact his political stance or anyone for that matter sits below the distaste of certain common phrases by some, is far more worrying. Especially considering that others might see it the exact same way you do. It's also hypocritical to say they're all idiots and we're screwed but you'd take part in it if given the choice if you could, which you do.

But, as far as the Johnson goes, I have no patience for people who try to do what he did in that video. Googling him even further to see his actual stance did nothing to sway me from my original view. You're not going to change that trying to question me.

As I've said here plenty of times, I'm not trying to change you, hell I'm not even telling you to support him, I don't plan to vote for him and even if I did I'd still say a no vote is overall far better.

Also I'd question you or anyone else regardless when the words "I'm voting for Hillary" or "voting for Donald" are used without any context. Even with context I'd do so.


Perhaps that's how it is in Arizona, but it's been an opposite experience in Texas up until this year & everyone taking Trump's debates as "deport all Mexicans".[/QUOTE]

 

[McLaren]

It's also hypocritical to say they're all idiots and we're screwed but you'd take part in it if given the choice if you could, which you do.

Well it's a good thing I'm not voting at all b/c they're all equally awful, so I guess we're done here.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Well it's a good thing I'm not voting at all b/c they're all equally awful, so I guess we're done here.

Sure, I mean it would have been far easier to just outright say that, then be confusing about who you would or wouldn't give you potential vote to. Anyways have a good one.

 

[Danoff]

Johnson got upset because someone said the word "illegal". That's it; didn't answer the question at hand, just went off on a choice of word.

Uh.... it's really hard to say that. He got upset, for sure. What happens is that reporters looking for a rise make insinuations and get hostile, and then the final clip is the interviewee losing it. What we know is that something ticked him off.

I'm also not ruling out that it could have been calculated politics. We know that hispanics are alienated from both sides pretty well in this election. It's possible he was looking to get riled up in order to garner enough hispanic support to make 15% prior to the debates. I'm not saying that's what happened, but it certainly might have been.

Take a step back for a moment and look at the broader picture.

Imagine that you're referring to pot smokers as criminals. So you ask a libertarian candidate during an interview "what would you do about criminal marijuana use?". And the libertarian candidate after hearing this question 10,000 times gets sick of it and says "look, what they do in private is not my business and it's not your business". The interviewer says "but they are criminals, it's against federal law", and he says "yes they're technically criminals, but that's not the point - you're using a term that shouldn't apply to them". Do you understand it yet?

Libertarians are generally for a much more open boarder. The party platform is that we should let people come to this country to work hard and be free, and that any drag on our economy due to social handouts is a fault of social handouts. So the term illegal aliens, while technically accurate, does frame the debate in a way to presuppose that what they did is wrong. Yes they're breaking the laws, but if the laws are unjust, that's the real discussion. That's why he said "you or I would do the same thing in their shoes" (paraphrased from poor memory)... because it's the government's fault that it's "wrong".

 

[Dotini]

Highly entertaining, not to mention disturbing, video that Hillary has progressive vascular dementia, and likely less than a year or so before she dies of it, a stroke, etc.




and a more believable video arguing that she suffers from advanced Parkinson's disease.

 

[Bram Turismo]

I had no idea where or what Aleppo is either, nor do I really care. I don't think the US needs to get involved in yet another conflict in the Middle East that will end up costing American lives and tax dollars.

You're late to the party. Very late.

The war in Syria is not only costing American lives, it's costing lives worldwide. It's costing lives whether you are involved or not, because the West is pretty much the target right now.

Might I also suggest the book Panama Papers? Tax payer's money gets into the wrong hands all too easily.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

and a more believable video arguing that she suffers from advanced Parkinson's disease.

The problem with all of these videos and theories is that the only people capable of diagnosing her are the people opposed to her.

 

[Sanji Himura]

The problem with all of these videos and theories is that the only people capable of diagnosing her are the people opposed to her.

I don't think that Dr. Drew was opposed to her, and he lost his job over at CNN over it.

 

[Joey D]

I'm curious how legit that is, but if those records shown in the video are the actual ones that were leaked, they do look fairly consistent with what a couple major EMR vendors look like.

You're late to the party. Very late.

The war in Syria is not only costing American lives, it's costing lives worldwide. It's costing lives whether you are involved or not, because the West is pretty much the target right now.

Might I also suggest the book Panama Papers? Tax payer's money gets into the wrong hands all too easily.

I probably should clarify, I know we are currently involved in Syria since we are leading airstrikes and using drone warfare. I guess I should say I don't want to get more involved.

And while loss of life due to war is no doubt a horrible thing, I must admittedly be a little selfish and say I don't want American's to lose their life over it. All too often we are sending our troops to regions that we have no business being in only to have them come home bruised, broken, or dead.

I take a fairly strong isolationist view regarding foreign affairs and think the US should only ever get involved if there is an immediate threat to our country. While ISIS currently poses a threat, I do think if we got out of the Middle East and cut off our support of Israel they'd no longer care too much about us.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Excuse me, but Pew Research Center would like to disagree. According to data taken in June, Pew said that Trump is actually being blown out in the Hispanic vote, 66-24.

Source: http://www.people-press.org/2016/07/07/6-hispanic-voters-and-the-2016-election/

Blown out is relative. 24% still puts him ahead of both Romney and McCain.

I'm curious how legit that is, but if those records shown in the video are the actual ones that were leaked, they do look fairly consistent with what a couple major EMR vendors look like.



I probably should clarify, I know we are currently involved in Syria since we are leading airstrikes and using drone warfare. I guess I should say I don't want to get more involved.

And while loss of life due to war is no doubt a horrible thing, I must admittedly be a little selfish and say I don't want American's to lose their life over it. All too often we are sending our troops to regions that we have no business being in only to have them come home bruised, broken, or dead.

I take a fairly strong isolationist view regarding foreign affairs and think the US should only ever get involved if there is an immediate threat to our country. While ISIS currently poses a threat, I do think if we got out of the Middle East and cut off our support of Israel they'd no longer care too much about us.

Where would the U.S. or the world be if the commies overran Korea, Vietnam, the rest of Southeast Asia, Afghanistan etc.? What would have happened if communist expansion during the coldwar was left unchecked, as it wasn't a direct threat to U.S. national security? More importantly, where would Russia be at this point?

 

[Joey D]

Where would the U.S. or the world be if the commies overran Korea, Vietnam, the rest of Southeast Asia, Afghanistan etc.? What would have happened if communist expansion during the coldwar was left unchecked, as it wasn't a direct threat to U.S. national security? More importantly, where would Russia be at this point?

If the US would have stayed out of Korea and Vietnam, we probably wouldn't have to deal with North Korea right now and we'd probably have better relations with China. If we would have stayed out of Afghanistan back in the 80's and 90's, Osama bin Ladin might not have become as prominent as he was nor would have the Taliban. If we would have stayed out of Russian affairs completely, they probably would be in the same situation they are in now since their economy wasn't really cut out for the long term. Although we probably wouldn't be as far along in space exploration and military technology like stealth if it wasn't for the Cold War.

Honestly, looking at all of those places you'd mentioned, I think the US would be in a better spot if we'd never gotten involved since none of those places are exactly prospering nor are beneficial to the US with the exception of maybe South Korea. It's really hard to say though since it's all just a guess at what could have been with history.

And if the US would have invested the money they spent on those conflicts on the country itself, I feel like we'd be in a way better situation too.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

I don't think that Dr. Drew was opposed to her, and he lost his job over at CNN over it.

Most of the sources that I can find either speculate that it was because of his comments on Clinton and rely heavily on the reader making the connection between the two, or point out that he and CNN had already come to an agreement to cancel his show before he made the comments about Clinton.

 

[Sanji Himura]

Was he fired because he broke editorial policy, or because his actions were unethical for a medical doctor?

Don't know. All that I do know is that he was fired AFTER he expressed his opinion (or possibly doubled down on it since I don't see any video from CNN or HLN of him violating any possible editorial policy) on a talk radio show for which he was a guest (but there is plenty of audio of the talk show). I honestly think that he was asked a perfectly legitimate question, for which he was careful in his answer (he did preface his answer.)

 

[prisonermonkeys]

All that I do know is that he was fired AFTER he expressed his opinion (or possibly doubled down on it since I don't see any video from CNN or HLN of him violating any possible editorial policy) on a talk radio show for which he was a guest (but there is plenty of audio of the talk show).

And according to him, they had already reached an agreement to cancel the show before he made those comments; they just hadn't announced it at the time.

 

[ExigeEvan]

Where would the U.S. or the world be if the commies overran Korea, Vietnam, the rest of Southeast Asia, Afghanistan etc.? What would have happened if communist expansion during the coldwar was left unchecked, as it wasn't a direct threat to U.S. national security? More importantly, where would Russia be at this point?

The same place where we are now, with a collapsed Soviet Bloc and a growing China?

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Where would the U.S. or the world be if the commies overran Korea, Vietnam, the rest of Southeast Asia, Afghanistan etc.? What would have happened if communist expansion during the coldwar was left unchecked, as it wasn't a direct threat to U.S. national security? More importantly, where would Russia be at this point?

Same place they are today, they failed in Afgahnistan before we gave weapons to the mujahideen, and they still dug themselves in a hole (soviets) by overextending technologically and militarily. Also in my eyes and many others Vietnam was a futile effort, considering they ended up communist controlled.

The same place where we are now, with a collapsed Soviet Bloc and a growing China?

What he said.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Also in my eyes and many others Vietnam was a futile effort, considering they ended up communist controlled.

Down here, it's largely regarded as a war that we had no business being in, and the way we manipulated the South Vietnamese into giving us a pretext to get involved was an extension of politically-convenient domestic policy. I imagine that it may have a similar legacy Stateside.

 

[mister dog]

Clinton apparently fainted during the 9/11 memorial:

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/lat...ffers-medical-episode-ill-health-President-US

http://www.nieuwsblad.be/cnt/dmf20160911_02463100

 

[Johnnypenso]

Clinton apparently fainted during the 9/11 memorial:

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/lat...ffers-medical-episode-ill-health-President-US

http://www.nieuwsblad.be/cnt/dmf20160911_02463100

In b4 the denials of a "medical episode" and the " tired and overcome with emotion" stories begin.

 

[Dennisch]

In b4 the denials of a "medical episode" and the " tired and overcome with emotion" stories begin.

She's going to be one of those Presidents in a future episode of 'in pills we trust'.



If elected of course.

 

[Touring Mars]

I'm finding it harder and harder to believe the media reports that there is nothing wrong with Hillary Clinton... if indeed she is suffering from a serious or debilatating illness it could well be a disaster for the Democrats - would Bernie Sanders be drafted in to run for President, or would it be Clinton's running mate (who I've never heard of)?

While there is plenty of conspiracy theorist guff about Clinton, this latest incident is very worrying, as is the fact that she is clearly avoiding public appearances as much as possible - which in the run up to a Presidential election is extremely odd.

 

[Johnnypenso]

I'm finding it harder and harder to believe the media reports that there is nothing wrong with Hillary Clinton... if indeed she is suffering from a serious or debilatating illness it could well be a disaster for the Democrats - would Bernie Sanders be drafted in to run for President, or would it be Clinton's running mate (who I've never heard of)?

While there is plenty of conspiracy theorist guff about Clinton, this latest incident is very worrying, as is the fact that she is clearly avoiding public appearances as much as possible - which in the run up to a Presidential election is extremely odd.

I believe in that situation the party pulls out it's giant book of rules and selects a replacement, not necessarily the vp candidate or anyone else in particular.

 

[mister dog]

Not looking good:

 

[Dotini]

The bell of doom is tolling for Hillary Clinton's presidency. She may get elected, and she may even be able to serve for awhile, but it's hard to imagine her serving ably for a full term. More likely, this incident will open a floodgate of concern and enquiry that has pent up behind a wall of DNC and mainstream media denial. The DNC, Clinton herself, and institutions like the NYTimes have acted incredibly irresponsibly in putting the Republic into this parlous situation. A political or even constitutional crisis could literally be in the offing, depending on how this bizarre and unprecedented story continues to unfold.

Of all the sad words of tongue and pen, the saddest are these,"It might have been."

The happiest words are, "I told you so".

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Down here, it's largely regarded as a war that we had no business being in, and the way we manipulated the South Vietnamese into giving us a pretext to get involved was an extension of politically-convenient domestic policy. I imagine that it may have a similar legacy Stateside.

Well it's worse, cause with the claims and evidence that the Gulf of Tonkin incident was pretty much BS makes us fighting and losing so many, all the more pointless.

http://www.usni.org/magazines/navalhistory/2008-02/truth-about-tonkin

I'm finding it harder and harder to believe the media reports that there is nothing wrong with Hillary Clinton... if indeed she is suffering from a serious or debilatating illness it could well be a disaster for the Democrats - would Bernie Sanders be drafted in to run for President, or would it be Clinton's running mate (who I've never heard of)?

While there is plenty of conspiracy theorist guff about Clinton, this latest incident is very worrying, as is the fact that she is clearly avoiding public appearances as much as possible - which in the run up to a Presidential election is extremely odd.

You may have never heard of him, but he played an important role I'd say for why Bernie was basically shafted. And he was the person who saw Schultz take his place in the notorious DNC. He's also a good Clinton friend, so while you haven't heard of him there is a massive reason why he was picked.

As for Clinton's health, I too agree with you I was very skeptical at first but now I'm starting to think their is something to this. McCain had many against him based on his health alone, and he didn't even show health issues, just past medical stuff like his skin cancer that he'd beaten. Yet now people are finally questioning Clinton based on more evidence than McCain had against him by this time.

 

[Chrunch Houston]

Looks like the Washington Post is now admitting Clinton's health is an issue.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...me-a-real-issue-in-the-presidential-campaign/

 

[mustafur]

Yeah i was giving it doubt before that people could claim she was very sick but everything seems to point in the direction that the leaked medical records are in fact real.

 

[Dotini]

The dam has broken on mainstream media embargo of discussions of Clinton's health issues.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...me-a-real-issue-in-the-presidential-campaign/

 

[mustafur]

The dam has broken on mainstream media embargo of discussions of Clinton's health issues.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...me-a-real-issue-in-the-presidential-campaign/

That link was just posted.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

What a time to be alive, especially if your a non-voter or third party candidate supporter.